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Old August 27th 03, 09:49 PM
Daniel Yates
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"Too_Much_Coffee ®" wrote in message
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done

years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest

parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know

each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan


I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with power to
spare.


A lot of people who I have spoken to, mainly those at dabs and CCS computers
here in the UK are saying that you need at least 400W power to sufficiently
power a S478 processor and run ample peripherals and other hardware as well.
The price on this component is minimal so I am not too mithered shelling out
maybe £10 more for the extra.


Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)


Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


The difference in some games when you have 1Gb of RAM is unbeleivable.
Morrowind is a classic example - there is pratically no difference between
256 and 512 RAM but when bumped up to 1Gb the games seems to run lightning
fast.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB


I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a heavy
gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.


The graphics card is something I have been mulling over. Many, many fellow
gamers has been saying the FX is a little shoddy to say the least but I
understand each setup is different. In a perfect world the FX5900 Ultra
256MB RAM is very tempting but completely out of my graphics card allowance.
The general opinion has been that FX is th next level of glorified MX which
are useless for gaming. Maybe they will bring out the "FX" level of Ti card,
then maybe a high end card would be come a possibility. I can see this
component being my real problem area lol, yet to me it is the most important
for my needs.


Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates






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Old August 27th 03, 09:52 PM
Daniel Yates
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"Thomas" wrote in message
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Too_Much_Coffee ® wrote:
I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with
power to spare.


Same comment here, with an enermax 365 Watt :-)
I use SCSI harddrives, 3 CD drives, also a P4 2.6C, overclocked to 3.25

GHz,
an overclocked Ati Radeon... more than enough power...

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)


Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB


I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a
heavy gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.


I am an Ati lover myself... If you're a gamer, go for the 9800 non-pro..
best quality/value. Ati's are much better at using anti-aliasing than the

GF
FX cards. Speed is about the same...

If you play games sometimes, you could go for the Ati 9600, which supports
DirectX 9.0, and still has more power than the Geforce FX 5200.

If you just play a game occasionally, a Radeon 9000 would be sufficient..
not fast, but quite cheap, and very good in 2D.

I applaud your move into watercooling, i've been wanting to start that
myself, but i never have had the nerve to take the first step. When i

start
it, I'd like to have a cooler for the CPU, the vid chip, the mainboard
chipset, the harddrives... big big expenses :-)


Not necassarily. I am not sure where in the world you are but her ein the UK
you can get the Thermaltake Aquarius II Water Cooling system, all complete
and would cool all the components you need it is for £60, which I am sure
would work out less than $100 if you are in america. I think I am going to
stick with nVidia for my card needs for now. I have used nVidia since the
original GeForce cards and have never found much fault - except of course
with the sneaky MX card maneouvers but that is a different story.!


  #13  
Old August 27th 03, 09:58 PM
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"Strontium" wrote in message
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http://www20.tomshardware.com/mother...603/index.html

It, probably, would have helped if I'd included the link!

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Strontium

"Strontium" wrote in message
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Read this article, before your spend $50-$100 more, than you have to.

-
John stood up at show-n-tell, in
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"warlord716 yahoo.com" warlord716@NOSPAM wrote in message
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have
done years ago and building my own setup. After many years of
buying sub standard rigs from mainstream vendors with great "stats"
yet the cheapest nastiest parts imaginable I am determined to caugh
up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I
know each individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to
parts, but what I am looking for is any known compatibility
problems between the parts, any known "major" issues with various
parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo


since u are getting a cpu that is hyper threading ready, dump the 865
chipset and get a nice 875...much better for oc-ing, besides its the
newest and best.

if u are looking for a price around $125, check out the ABit Ic7,
exceleent except it dont have onboard lan. if u are willing to drop
$175 check out the asus p4c800-E deluxe.

i dont know the deal with the cost of these parts in the uk, but
check it out.
Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit
of shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or
should I be aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should
consider prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at
full 800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many
would say many of these functions are currently defunct as they are
not being utilised but they will be eventually, and I would like to
be readyf or them when they do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates




Yep. I'd go for an Asus P4C800-E


--
Strontium

"It's no surprise, to me. I am my own worst enemy. `Cause every
now, and then, I kick the livin' **** `outta me." - Lit





Interesting article! At the moment it seems many of the motherboard
manufacturers are really gunning for the OC's market. I like to crank things
up a little myself now and again ;-) so OC'ing is a definite factor in my
purcahse. After doing some more reading around I am noticing the odd board
or so that is claiming compatibility with intels new chip they are getting
ready to release. can anyone tell me more about this? Is there a blazing
board available that has his compatibility with it also, forward compliance
could make all the difference for me when it comes to buying.

Cheers

Daniel


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Old August 27th 03, 10:04 PM
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"Frank Weston" wrote in message
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A couple of things:

For about $65 more, why not the 2.8 FSB 800 processor? That's a pretty
cheap .2 Mhz boost.

If you're running Win2K, Hyperthreading won't work, you'll have to upgrade
to WinXP.

If noise is the reason you're going with water cooling, why not save some
bucks and hassle and go with the Zalman 7000Cu? I've had my system

running
at 3.4 Mhz, steady, for a couple of months with a Zalman, and it's cool

and
quiet.

The Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB is an OK card, but mostly just a

rehash
and minor upgrade of older technology. For the same price or a little

less,
you might want to consider the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.

Good Luck!


"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done

years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest

parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know

each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates





I think I may have to do some more serious shopping around when it comes to
the processor. I am seeing such price differences all over the place for the
same chips it seems the market prices are very volatile at the moment, may
be the chance for a bargain somewhere!

Daniel


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Old August 27th 03, 10:07 PM
Daniel Yates
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"Dark1" wrote in message
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done

years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest

parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know

each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates

I'm not certain why you're going with the watercooling rig, if it's for

just
plain quietness, consider something like a thermalright SLK-800 and a slow
80mm fan, or smartfan.. will be just as quiet and cheaper..
If it's because you want to overclock a good bit, get some faster RAM..
memmory is commonly the bottleneck and the price difference is minimal..
I also suggest going ahead and getting a vid card that will support

directx
9.. that's where the important performance step is when it comes to

running
games tommorow, something along the lines of a geforce fx or radeon 9700..



The main reason for the watercooling is 1.Overclocking and 2. Teh case has a
side window and watercooling will look a great deal better! lol

Faster ram? I will be going for DDR400/PC3200 where is offering faster than
those units? I can never keep up with RAM lol. Direct X 9 is a factor I have
overlooked and will have to have a rethink about my card, like I mentioned
in a n earlier post on this thread I think this will be my problem area.

Regards

Daniel


 




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