Building New Rig - Component Advice Needed

Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates

"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard
rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any
known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with power to
spare.


Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a heavy
gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.


Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many
of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they
do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates

Too_Much_Coffee ® wrote:
I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with
power to spare.

Same comment here, with an enermax 365 Watt :-)
I use SCSI harddrives, 3 CD drives, also a P4 2.6C, overclocked to 3.25 GHz,
an overclocked Ati Radeon... more than enough power...

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a
heavy gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.

I am an Ati lover myself... If you're a gamer, go for the 9800 non-pro..
best quality/value. Ati's are much better at using anti-aliasing than the GF
FX cards. Speed is about the same...

If you play games sometimes, you could go for the Ati 9600, which supports
DirectX 9.0, and still has more power than the Geforce FX 5200.

If you just play a game occasionally, a Radeon 9000 would be sufficient..
not fast, but quite cheap, and very good in 2D.

I applaud your move into watercooling, i've been wanting to start that
myself, but i never have had the nerve to take the first step. When i start
it, I'd like to have a cooler for the CPU, the vid chip, the mainboard
chipset, the harddrives... big big expenses :-)

Thomas

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:18:17 +0200, "Thomas"
wrote:

Too_Much_Coffee ® wrote:
I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with
power to spare.

Same comment here, with an enermax 365 Watt :-)
I use SCSI harddrives, 3 CD drives, also a P4 2.6C, overclocked to 3.25 GHz,
an overclocked Ati Radeon... more than enough power...
8 SCSI hard drives; a 15k drive and a handful of 10k drives plus 2
CD/RW overclocking 3.06/ram/video card on an Enermax 431watt with no
problems. I've run up to 8 or so 7200rpm drives on an old PC Power &
Cooling Silencer 230watt (think it was) but gave it up when an Athlon
upgrade didn't like the amperage. The X15 is quieter than the 10k
drives.

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)
I like the matched Corsair LLP ram. I've run 2-2-2-5 up to a system
3.5gig OC. Pricier tho.

Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB
Running an Albatron G4 Ti4800se. It's a great OCer

I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a
heavy gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.

I am an Ati lover myself... If you're a gamer, go for the 9800 non-pro..
best quality/value. Ati's are much better at using anti-aliasing than the GF
FX cards. Speed is about the same...

If you play games sometimes, you could go for the Ati 9600, which supports
DirectX 9.0, and still has more power than the Geforce FX 5200.

If you just play a game occasionally, a Radeon 9000 would be sufficient..
not fast, but quite cheap, and very good in 2D.

I applaud your move into watercooling, i've been wanting to start that
myself, but i never have had the nerve to take the first step. When i start
it, I'd like to have a cooler for the CPU, the vid chip, the mainboard
chipset, the harddrives... big big expenses :-)

Thomas



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Too_Much_Coffee ® wrote:
I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with
power to spare.

Same comment here, with an enermax 365 Watt :-)
I use SCSI harddrives, 3 CD drives, also a P4 2.6C, overclocked to 3.25
GHz,
an overclocked Ati Radeon... more than enough power...

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a
heavy gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.

I am an Ati lover myself... If you're a gamer, go for the 9800 non-pro..
best quality/value. Ati's are much better at using anti-aliasing than the
GF
FX cards. Speed is about the same...

If you play games sometimes, you could go for the Ati 9600, which supports
DirectX 9.0, and still has more power than the Geforce FX 5200.

If you just play a game occasionally, a Radeon 9000 would be sufficient..
not fast, but quite cheap, and very good in 2D.

I applaud your move into watercooling, i've been wanting to start that
myself, but i never have had the nerve to take the first step. When i
start
it, I'd like to have a cooler for the CPU, the vid chip, the mainboard
chipset, the harddrives... big big expenses :-)

Not necassarily. I am not sure where in the world you are but her ein the UK
you can get the Thermaltake Aquarius II Water Cooling system, all complete
and would cool all the components you need it is for £60, which I am sure
would work out less than $100 if you are in america. I think I am going to
stick with nVidia for my card needs for now. I have used nVidia since the
original GeForce cards and have never found much fault - except of course
with the sneaky MX card maneouvers but that is a different story.!

"Too_Much_Coffee ®" wrote in message
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done
years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard
rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest
parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know
each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any
known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with power to
spare.

A lot of people who I have spoken to, mainly those at dabs and CCS computers
here in the UK are saying that you need at least 400W power to sufficiently
power a S478 processor and run ample peripherals and other hardware as well.
The price on this component is minimal so I am not too mithered shelling out
maybe £10 more for the extra.


Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.

The difference in some games when you have 1Gb of RAM is unbeleivable.
Morrowind is a classic example - there is pratically no difference between
256 and 512 RAM but when bumped up to 1Gb the games seems to run lightning
fast.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a heavy
gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.

The graphics card is something I have been mulling over. Many, many fellow
gamers has been saying the FX is a little shoddy to say the least but I
understand each setup is different. In a perfect world the FX5900 Ultra
256MB RAM is very tempting but completely out of my graphics card allowance.
The general opinion has been that FX is th next level of glorified MX which
are useless for gaming. Maybe they will bring out the "FX" level of Ti card,
then maybe a high end card would be come a possibility. I can see this
component being my real problem area lol, yet to me it is the most important
for my needs.


Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many
of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they
do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates

"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard
rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any
known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo


since u are getting a cpu that is hyper threading ready, dump the 865
chipset and get a nice 875...much better for oc-ing, besides its the newest
and best.

if u are looking for a price around $125, check out the ABit Ic7, exceleent
except it dont have onboard lan. if u are willing to drop $175 check out
the asus p4c800-E deluxe.

i dont know the deal with the cost of these parts in the uk, but check it
out.
Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many
of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they
do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates

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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done
years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard
rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest
parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know
each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any
known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo


since u are getting a cpu that is hyper threading ready, dump the 865
chipset and get a nice 875...much better for oc-ing, besides its the
newest
and best.

if u are looking for a price around $125, check out the ABit Ic7,
exceleent
except it dont have onboard lan. if u are willing to drop $175 check out
the asus p4c800-E deluxe.

i dont know the deal with the cost of these parts in the uk, but check it
out.
Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many
of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they
do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates




Yep. I'd go for an Asus P4C800-E

Get rid of the intel p4 for a barton and you probably already saved around
50 quid of your price.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:33:41 +0100, "Daniel Yates"
put his keys in ignition and wrote:

||Hi all
||
||Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
||ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard rigs
||from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
||imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY
||
||I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
||individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
||looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any known
||"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
||shoddy bios etc.
||
||Parts are as follows
||
||Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window
||
||Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan
||
||Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo
||
||Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB
||
||Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling
||
||Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)
||
||Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB
||
||Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24
||
||I have worked out I can buy this set up for around £700 with a bit of
||shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
||aiming lower?
||
||Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?
||
||Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
||prior to purchasing?
||
||I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
||800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many of
||these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
||they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they do.
||
||Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered
||
||Kind Regards
||
||Daniel Yates
||

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