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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
Can you specialists giveme some advice please. I'm in the UK.
Is the advice I've been given any good? Suggested I go from my old slow system to a new system based on Intel. Proposed system seems overkill. Opinions please. REQUIREMENT: I use my system for home use with a lot of personal office-like activity (I'm retired). I want to have reasonably good audio editing for good quality voice recording of meetings. Want low system noise where possible. Would like FEATURES (like lots of USB and on-board functions to save buying plugins) but I don't need tons of outright POWER. PRICE: I can't fund expensive equipment so I try and buy for value rather than leading edge technology. My current system was bought as middle to trailing edge technology and has got more out of date since then! CURRENT SYSTEM: (a) AMD Duron cpu at 1800 MHz. Real 1800 MHz (approx sub-Athlon 2100+) (b) Syntax mobo based on Via 266a chipset with 768 MB SD-RAM. (c) 17 inch CRT which I will keep and re-use. (d) four to seven hard drives (mix of SATA/PATA) using PCI adapters PROPOSED SYSTEM (PC shop suggestion: total £450 inc VAT) (1) Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 processor (£77) (2) very recent Asus mobo (£89) 3 PCI, 6 SATA, 10 USB, 2 Fwire, 8ch sound, 4D chII-1066 memory (3) 4 GB memory Crucial/Kingston (£60) (4) graphics card (£30) (5) sound blaster X-Fi Xtreme PCI 8ch (£33) (6) hard drive for booting only (£30) (7) DVD-RW £22 (8) decent case/PSU = Antec Sonata (£92) (9) usual ancillary things: fan, webcam, KVM switch, mouse/keybd ------------ Bit fast isn't it? And probably a huge jump. It's too expensive. Any ideas where I can trim the cost back a bit. Was told Intel cpu's have currently stolen a lead on AMD. Also that Intel mobos were no longer significantly more costly than AMD mobos. True enough? Decent mobo can provide integrated function which is more costly to add later so I don't want to pare this back to a "skeleton" mobo. Decent case and PSU save endless trouble but is the Antec Sonata with PSU good value? I don't like it's glossy front flap (remove), only 2 front USB and no front fan. |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
Don wrote:
Can you specialists giveme some advice please. I'm in the UK. Is the advice I've been given any good? Suggested I go from my old slow system to a new system based on Intel. Proposed system seems overkill. Opinions please. REQUIREMENT: I use my system for home use with a lot of personal office-like activity (I'm retired). I want to have reasonably good audio editing for good quality voice recording of meetings. Want low system noise where possible. Would like FEATURES (like lots of USB and on-board functions to save buying plugins) but I don't need tons of outright POWER. PRICE: I can't fund expensive equipment so I try and buy for value rather than leading edge technology. My current system was bought as middle to trailing edge technology and has got more out of date since then! CURRENT SYSTEM: (a) AMD Duron cpu at 1800 MHz. Real 1800 MHz (approx sub-Athlon 2100+) (b) Syntax mobo based on Via 266a chipset with 768 MB SD-RAM. (c) 17 inch CRT which I will keep and re-use. (d) four to seven hard drives (mix of SATA/PATA) using PCI adapters PROPOSED SYSTEM (PC shop suggestion: total £450 inc VAT) (1) Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 processor (£77) (2) very recent Asus mobo (£89) 3 PCI, 6 SATA, 10 USB, 2 Fwire, 8ch sound, 4D chII-1066 memory (3) 4 GB memory Crucial/Kingston (£60) (4) graphics card (£30) (5) sound blaster X-Fi Xtreme PCI 8ch (£33) (6) hard drive for booting only (£30) (7) DVD-RW £22 (8) decent case/PSU = Antec Sonata (£92) (9) usual ancillary things: fan, webcam, KVM switch, mouse/keybd ------------ Bit fast isn't it? And probably a huge jump. It's too expensive. Any ideas where I can trim the cost back a bit. Was told Intel cpu's have currently stolen a lead on AMD. Also that Intel mobos were no longer significantly more costly than AMD mobos. True enough? Decent mobo can provide integrated function which is more costly to add later so I don't want to pare this back to a "skeleton" mobo. Decent case and PSU save endless trouble but is the Antec Sonata with PSU good value? I don't like it's glossy front flap (remove), only 2 front USB and no front fan. OK, I'll throw one together. Based on this chart, I'll go from Intel E4500 to AMD 5600+. $117 versus $69 http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/d...ice-perf-1.png Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM $66 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131324 HDMI/DVI/VGA/DisplayPort (graphics options) PS/2 (keyboard) ESATA (high speed external disk) RJ-45 (Ethernet) 6 USB (4 on backplate) 8 channel audio (six connectors) S/PDIF (TOSLink digital audio) 1394 (Firewire - for camcorder ?) 2 PCI slots. PCI Express x16 (future graphics upgrade) PCI Express x1 (successor to PCI) One con for the product - no accessories to speak of. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-324-S05?$S640W$ You might have to pick up some adapters for USB later, if you want more rear USB connectors than are provided. http://estore.asus.com/images/14-000500020.JPG The case is the other area you could shave off a few pounds. I'd suggest buying one without power supply. (Mainly, because for some bargain cases, the power supply is just adding to your local landfill.) Then, you can select a power supply separately, picked for what you consider the loading is going to be. The above should be a pretty low power system. If you don't install a separate video card, use the integrated video, even a 350W supply would be enough. The 5600+ processor is 65W, the motherboard plus RAM about 50W, so there really isn't a lot of power consumption. HTH, Paul |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
Paul wrote:
Don wrote: (5) sound blaster X-Fi Xtreme PCI 8ch (£33) Oh, and you can try the onboard sound first, without buying the Sound Blaster. If the onboard works well enough, you save another £33. Paul |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
On 02/12/2008 in message
Don wrote: REQUIREMENT: I use my system for home use with a lot of personal office-like activity (I'm retired). I want to have reasonably good audio editing for good quality voice recording of meetings. Want low system noise where possible. Would like FEATURES (like lots of USB and on-board functions to save buying plugins) but I don't need tons of outright POWER. I appreciate this is a home built group but spec yourself up a Dell Vostro before you make a final decision, start he http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/4x_vostro_220?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd and work the 220 up, I ended up with this: http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&kc=D4X22001&l=en&m_ 30=138820&oc=D122209&rbc=D122209&s=bsd £199 + VAT and shipping. I got one as a home server and it hasn't missed a beat. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK By the time you can make ends meet they move the ends |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
"Don" wrote in message m... Can you specialists giveme some advice please. I'm in the UK. Is the advice I've been given any good? Suggested I go from my old slow system to a new system based on Intel. Proposed system seems overkill. Opinions please. REQUIREMENT: I use my system for home use with a lot of personal office-like activity (I'm retired). I want to have reasonably good audio editing for good quality voice recording of meetings. Want low system noise where possible. Would like FEATURES (like lots of USB and on-board functions to save buying plugins) but I don't need tons of outright POWER. PRICE: I can't fund expensive equipment so I try and buy for value rather than leading edge technology. My current system was bought as middle to trailing edge technology and has got more out of date since then! CURRENT SYSTEM: (a) AMD Duron cpu at 1800 MHz. Real 1800 MHz (approx sub-Athlon 2100+) (b) Syntax mobo based on Via 266a chipset with 768 MB SD-RAM. (c) 17 inch CRT which I will keep and re-use. (d) four to seven hard drives (mix of SATA/PATA) using PCI adapters PROPOSED SYSTEM (PC shop suggestion: total £450 inc VAT) (1) Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 processor (£77) (2) very recent Asus mobo (£89) 3 PCI, 6 SATA, 10 USB, 2 Fwire, 8ch sound, 4D chII-1066 memory (3) 4 GB memory Crucial/Kingston (£60) (4) graphics card (£30) (5) sound blaster X-Fi Xtreme PCI 8ch (£33) (6) hard drive for booting only (£30) (7) DVD-RW £22 (8) decent case/PSU = Antec Sonata (£92) (9) usual ancillary things: fan, webcam, KVM switch, mouse/keybd ------------ Bit fast isn't it? And probably a huge jump. It's too expensive. Any ideas where I can trim the cost back a bit. Was told Intel cpu's have currently stolen a lead on AMD. Also that Intel mobos were no longer significantly more costly than AMD mobos. True enough? Decent mobo can provide integrated function which is more costly to add later so I don't want to pare this back to a "skeleton" mobo. Decent case and PSU save endless trouble but is the Antec Sonata with PSU good value? I don't like it's glossy front flap (remove), only 2 front USB and no front fan. FWIW, last one I built (last week) Intel E2200 Asus P5KPL-AM Antec NSK 4480 OCZ 2Gb 160Gb Seagate SATA Lite-On LH-20A1S 2x 80mm fans £212 total The cpu is dual core but not Core 2 Duo, add another £30 if you want one, all parts from Ebuyer with free delivery. |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:04:52 -0500, Paul wrote:
OK, I'll throw one together. Based on this chart, I'll go from Intel E4500 to AMD 5600+. $117 versus $69 That one is certainly powerful and has an average energy consumption. But I would rather choose a low-energy AMD 4850e, cheaper and more than sufficient for the intended purpose. Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM $66 I got this one some weeks ago - works very well, apart from the poor 2D performance in some applications with windows xp. You might have to pick up some adapters for USB later, if you want more rear USB connectors than are provided. I would rather get a case that offers these conncectors on the front or get one of these Silverstone FP35 http://www.silverstonetek.com/produc...pno=FP35&area= with the added benefit of sound connectors in the front. fup to uk.comp.homebuilt Andreas |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
In article om, Don
wrote: Was told Intel cpu's have currently stolen a lead on AMD. Also that Intel mobos were no longer significantly more costly than AMD mobos. True enough? Intel certainly have the edge in high-performance CPUs that run at low power ... but if you don't need the performance and would like something more frugal the AMD dual-core CPUs are very good value. If you wanted 4 cores or blistering speed I'd say that intel was really the only option, but as you're concerned about cost and power consumption, and don't need insane performance, I wouldn't discount AMD. I'd look at one of the AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPUs in its "Energy Efficient" incarnation -- you can get a ~2.5GHz part with a TDP of 45W for less than £50 including VAT. That'll go in a socket AM2 motherboard -- and at the low end of the market I think the AM2 motherboards are better spec's and give better value for money than anything that takes a current intel CPU. I'm very pleased with my Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard (now discontinued, but there are others that take its place) which has just about every peripheral you could want on the board. No need for separate soundcard or video. Current boards like it are below £50, so they're very good value. Take a look at, say, the M2N-CM DVI as you're interested in audio (note: I have no direct experience of this particular board). These are uATX boards, though, so although they typically have 4 SATA ports and one PATA/IDE port (my M2NPV-VM has two IDE ports, which I do value) you will only have two PCI slots for expansion (plus a PCIe x1 and a PICe x16). If you need more than that you'll have to go to a full ATX board, and they don't usually have onboard video. Onboard video is good for keeping both the cost and the power consumption low. Decent case and PSU save endless trouble but is the Antec Sonata with PSU good value? Antec cases and PSUs are generally good, especially the more expensive ones. The trouble with buying a case and PSU together is that you don't get to pick the power rating of the PSU. Most included PSUs are far more powerful than is required by the system that ends up installed in the case ... but you sound as though you may be planning to reuse a large number of oldish hard drives, and they can draw quite a bit (allow 30-40W) each when spinning up. I don't like it's glossy front flap (remove), only 2 front USB and no front fan. I'm not sure which Sonata you're looking at (there are several models under the same overall name now), but I haven't seen one that has a flap. Do you mean the Sonata III 500 which has a full case-front door? http://www.antec.com/uk/productDetails.php?ProdID=08143 If so, that does have provision for a front fan (though one is not supplied) and 12cm fans are only a few pounds. The PSU in that case is 500W (as the name implies) which should be more than enough even if you fill it with drives. 2 front USB ports is fairly standard. If you want more you may be able to fit a USB front plate in a 3.5" drive bay? Cheers, Daniel. |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:19:18 GMT, Don wrote:
Can you specialists giveme some advice please. I'm in the UK. Is the advice I've been given any good? Suggested I go from my old slow system to a new system based on Intel. Proposed system seems overkill. Opinions please. REQUIREMENT: I use my system for home use with a lot of personal office-like activity (I'm retired). I want to have reasonably good audio editing for good quality voice recording of meetings. Want low system noise where possible. Would like FEATURES (like lots of USB and on-board functions to save buying plugins) but I don't need tons of outright POWER. PRICE: I can't fund expensive equipment so I try and buy for value rather than leading edge technology. My current system was bought as middle to trailing edge technology and has got more out of date since then! CURRENT SYSTEM: (a) AMD Duron cpu at 1800 MHz. Real 1800 MHz (approx sub-Athlon 2100+) (b) Syntax mobo based on Via 266a chipset with 768 MB SD-RAM. (c) 17 inch CRT which I will keep and re-use. (d) four to seven hard drives (mix of SATA/PATA) using PCI adapters PROPOSED SYSTEM (PC shop suggestion: total £450 inc VAT) (1) Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 processor (£77) Intel Pentium Dual Core E2200 Socket 775 2.2GHz 800FSB Retail Boxed Processor BX80557E2200 £51.96 (2) very recent Asus mobo (£89) 3 PCI, 6 SATA, 10 USB, 2 Fwire, 8ch sound, 4D chII-1066 memory Gigabyte GA-EG43M-S2H iG43 Socket 775 onboard graphics 8 channel audio 2 PCI 5 SATA 1 eSATA 6+6 USB 2 Firewire mATX Motherboard GA-EG43M-S2H £75.69 (3) 4 GB memory Crucial/Kingston (£60) Crucial 2GB kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 Ballistix Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL4 Lifetime £20.99 (4) graphics card (£30) on motherboard (5) sound blaster X-Fi Xtreme PCI 8ch (£33) on motherboard (6) hard drive for booting only (£30) (7) DVD-RW £22 (8) decent case/PSU = Antec Sonata (£92) Antec NSK 4480B Black ATX/MATX Mini Tower - With 380W EarthWatts PSU £55.99 (9) usual ancillary things: fan, webcam, KVM switch, mouse/keybd ------------ Bit fast isn't it? And probably a huge jump. It's too expensive. Any ideas where I can trim the cost back a bit. Was told Intel cpu's have currently stolen a lead on AMD. Also that Intel mobos were no longer significantly more costly than AMD mobos. True enough? Decent mobo can provide integrated function which is more costly to add later so I don't want to pare this back to a "skeleton" mobo. Decent case and PSU save endless trouble but is the Antec Sonata with PSU good value? I don't like it's glossy front flap (remove), only 2 front USB and no front fan. |
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Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM $66
I got this one some weeks ago - works very well, apart from the poor 2D performance in some applications with windows xp. I would suggest M3N-H... -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04.1) Linux 2.6.26.8 ^ ^ 17:09:01 up 21 days 5:23 4 users load average: 1.00 1.04 1.00 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???
Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k) wrote:
Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM $66 I got this one some weeks ago - works very well, apart from the poor 2D performance in some applications with windows xp. I would suggest M3N-H... Or M3N78-EM if you need a mATX board. Nvidia's SATA performance should be better. -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04.1) Linux 2.6.26.8 ^ ^ 17:19:01 up 21 days 5:33 4 users load average: 1.14 1.12 1.03 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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