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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned
it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:04:24 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
wrote: I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:04:39 -0400, Flasherly
wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:04:24 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote: I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? Excuse the blank missive. Maybe should have got the rounded keycaps -- this keyboard can be a little "too mini" sometimes, a little "too fast" at others. W10 cloned to the Samsung SSD with no problems, thus and not only W10 was cloned OK, as well OK because W10 now comes up in an operational state on the Samsung. Because your, per se, "cloning software" and not your operational system software, now sees the Intel SSD and its W10 content in duplicity, somehow then to surmise an illegal state, in conjunction and while the Samsung W10 OS performs to function in legitimate status. I'll go out on the limb on this: Simply take your USB flashstick -- with all its "Live" OS variants, a definitive *NX OS partitioning suite, mini-Windows, several iterations of HIRENs -- all ruled and contained from a live flashstick root boot menu. Select the partitioning suite, or simpler, to engage the offending partition on the Intel and delete it. You have of course prepared yourself such a flashstick, formerly a CD "builders guide", for this invaluable contingency, yes and but of course? Another and personal approach I like is from the SDDs, themselves, by laying into their MBR another "Boot Menu", similar to GRUB, but an earlier and less-endowed *NIX variant. Through which, I'm able to interact, on a partition level, according to which selections are present, according as to how partitions will be then seen, while not defined to a hidden state. Anything above Windows XP, however, will not in the least like these shenanigans -- hence several SATA storage devices, some with a MBR boot inlay, others, such as W7+ decidedly ..not. -- variously and still accessible viz an appropriate USB flashdrive or alternative SATA Device boot BIOS selection. Another approach you may try is to switch the Intel partition containing W10 into a hidden status;- if not already partitioned, it may be possible to create and contain it discretely, then, within one, rather than elect to engage an effective and destructive reformat. Results may of course vary, to include those not necessarily and least of all anticipated. But, what other reason can it be, than that is why there are software "Builders Tools", besides industry computer or MSFT standards, for testing where they might diverge from sole proprietary operations to coincide. |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? Use Windows 10 boot media (disk/USB) to erase the drive. |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as theboot drive?
Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? There might have been a way to change the disk identifiers during the cloning operation. If the disk identifiers clash, Disk Management will put one of them "offline". If you connect only the drive with the problem to the computer, then use the Macrium ReflectFree emergency boot CD, it has a "boot repair" option which has a tick box to change disk identifiers. Once you run that on the troublesome drive, plugging both drives in before booting up again, should result in both being "online" again. Then you can do anything you want with the drives, even alternate booting between them if you want. ******* In Macrium, if you clone a disk as a one-shot deal - that allows Macrium to see it is a boot drive, and Macrium offers to fix things up during the clone. If you're a clever individual, and you "copy" one partition at a time with Macrium (using it as a Partition Manager), then the dis-ambiguation code doesn't run in Macrium. And the copied partitions have all the original identifiers. Now, you're in a mess (you can ask me some time how I know this :-( ). Now it's time to boot the Emergency Boot CD and fix it from the Boot Repair menu item. Now you know why it takes me hours to do stuff. I'm "always learning". Paul |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:53:27 -0400, Flasherly
wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:04:39 -0400, Flasherly wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:04:24 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote: I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? Excuse the blank missive. Maybe should have got the rounded keycaps -- this keyboard can be a little "too mini" sometimes, a little "too fast" at others. W10 cloned to the Samsung SSD with no problems, thus and not only W10 was cloned OK, as well OK because W10 now comes up in an operational state on the Samsung. Because your, per se, "cloning software" and not your operational system software, now sees the Intel SSD and its W10 content in duplicity, somehow then to surmise an illegal state, in conjunction and while the Samsung W10 OS performs to function in legitimate status. Actually the clone software (HDClone) never sees the Intel. I looked at Windows , disk Management and noted that it won't recognize that the Intel exists because it's a duplicate of the Samsung, so any Win 10 software won't see the Intel. I'll go out on the limb on this: Simply take your USB flashstick -- with all its "Live" OS variants, a definitive *NX OS partitioning suite, mini-Windows, several iterations of HIRENs -- all ruled and contained from a live flashstick root boot menu. Select the partitioning suite, or simpler, to engage the offending partition on the Intel and delete it. Nope, don't have that. I probably have an old *nix CD or DVD around somewhere from experimenting years ago, but even if I found it I probably wouldn't remember enough to be able to delete the partition. You have of course prepared yourself such a flashstick, formerly a CD "builders guide", for this invaluable contingency, yes and but of course? As mentioned later, a CD repair disk and Win 10 installation DVD. Another and personal approach I like is from the SDDs, themselves, by laying into their MBR another "Boot Menu", similar to GRUB, but an earlier and less-endowed *NIX variant. Through which, I'm able to interact, on a partition level, according to which selections are present, according as to how partitions will be then seen, while not defined to a hidden state. Anything above Windows XP, however, will not in the least like these shenanigans -- hence several SATA storage devices, some with a MBR boot inlay, others, such as W7+ decidedly .not. -- variously and still accessible viz an appropriate USB flashdrive or alternative SATA Device boot BIOS selection. Another approach you may try is to switch the Intel partition containing W10 into a hidden status;- if not already partitioned, it may be possible to create and contain it discretely, then, within one, rather than elect to engage an effective and destructive reformat. Results may of course vary, to include those not necessarily and least of all anticipated. well, since I can't access the Intel SSD from Win 10 (unless I install it instead of the Samsung), I really don't see a way to hide or remove the partition. But, what other reason can it be, than that is why there are software "Builders Tools", besides industry computer or MSFT standards, for testing where they might diverge from sole proprietary operations to coincide. I do have a Win 10 installation DVD, as well as a repair disk. I'll boot from one of those and see if there is an option to format or erase the SSD (I'll replace the Samsung with the Intel for this exercise). Thanks for the suggestions. |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:21:45 -0400, Paul
wrote: Charlie Hoffpauir wrote: I have an Intel SSD that was my old boot drive on my system. I cloned it to a new Samsung SSD with no problems. However, since the operating system is still on the old Intel, my software won't recognize it to use it as a cloned backup of the new Samsung SSD. So how do I remove the operating system, when Win 10 won't recognize the Intel because it conflicts with the operating system on the Samsung? There might have been a way to change the disk identifiers during the cloning operation. If the disk identifiers clash, Disk Management will put one of them "offline". That's just what happens. If you connect only the drive with the problem to the computer, then use the Macrium ReflectFree emergency boot CD, it has a "boot repair" option which has a tick box to change disk identifiers. Once you run that on the troublesome drive, plugging both drives in before booting up again, should result in both being "online" again. Then you can do anything you want with the drives, even alternate booting between them if you want. This sounds like the solution I need! ******* In Macrium, if you clone a disk as a one-shot deal - that allows Macrium to see it is a boot drive, and Macrium offers to fix things up during the clone. Unfortunately, I cloned using a hardware device that simply copies everything over exactly the same. It certainly should do the same thing again, since it operates "stand-alone" (not connected to a computer), but after a couple of months, it seems to no longer work ($10.00 wasted on cheap chinese hardware). If you're a clever individual, and you "copy" one partition at a time with Macrium (using it as a Partition Manager), then the dis-ambiguation code doesn't run in Macrium. And the copied partitions have all the original identifiers. Now, you're in a mess (you can ask me some time how I know this :-( ). Now it's time to boot the Emergency Boot CD and fix it from the Boot Repair menu item. Now you know why it takes me hours to do stuff. I'm "always learning". Yeah, I used to do that, now I forget everything I learned the last time I did something that took forever, so it takes me forever again. One of the problems with 79. Paul |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as the boot drive?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:23:53 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
wrote: Actually the clone software (HDClone) never sees the Intel. I looked at Windows , disk Management and noted that it won't recognize that the Intel exists because it's a duplicate of the Samsung, so any Win 10 software won't see the Intel. Unless the drive partition containing the extra Windows is emphatically hidden, in my experience, the valid Windows install will fail to initialize - not even a "blue screen of death". Instantaneous and full-throttle MSFT regurgitation. Nope, don't have that. I probably have an old *nix CD or DVD around somewhere from experimenting years ago, but even if I found it I probably wouldn't remember enough to be able to delete the partition. Indispensable... https://www.hirensbootcd.org/hbcd-v150/ but I see they've also newer stuff I haven't gotten into. With a flashstick boot arbitrator and (also contained) ISO conversion... http://www.winsetupfromusb.com/files...omusb-1-4-exe/ then the ISOs or flashdrive's physical size is the key to sky's limit. GPartEd is another ISO - Partition Ed and OS rolled into one;- also have a base *nix OS imagery for some WEB connectivity if needed. Fun if not eaten all at once for a headache. well, since I can't access the Intel SSD from Win 10 (unless I install it instead of the Samsung), I really don't see a way to hide or remove the partition. No proble-m-ento. Just takes climbing aways onto that limb to lop of the thinner stuff, slow and easy, and some practice with safe partition manipulation. I do have a Win 10 installation DVD, as well as a repair disk. I'll boot from one of those and see if there is an option to format or erase the SSD (I'll replace the Samsung with the Intel for this exercise). May work. |
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How to clone from a current SSD to one previously used as theboot drive?
Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
Unfortunately, I cloned using a hardware device that simply copies everything over exactly the same. Well, that's your problem right there. The disk identifiers cannot help but be identical if a hardware copier does the job. https://i.postimg.cc/G9wg2D97/signature-collision.gif https://i.postimg.cc/rF5M9CGp/collis...d-diskpart.gif Method: 1) Administrator command prompt 2) diskpart list disk select disk 1 # the Offline one uniqueid disk id=11AA22CC # different formats for MBR vs GPT disks... # this is for MBR disk, GPT needs UUID format online disk # Puts disk 1 online again. 3) Close and open "Disk Management" and verify it is online. Correct drive letters on the second drive as you see fit (Disk Management can be lazy about the letters). Disk Management should now allow the old partitions to be deleted, or, whatever. So we don't need Macrium. Fortunately. The trick was finding the word "signature" to use in a search. HTH, Paul |
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