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Ben Myers wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:18:28 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: Ben Myers wrote: One more thing: Except for illegal web sites run by and for hackers and crackers, you won't find any system restore CDs out here on the web. Contractually, Microsoft prohibits their OEMs from making CDs available, and would have any OEM posting a restore CD on the net in court real fast. Some system restore CDs are Windows install CDs, plain and simple, and they generally require drivers, either from another CD shipped with the computer or downloaded from the web. Others use another process (restoring a Ghost image, for example) to restore the CD to its factory state... Ben Myers Nonsense you can find hard to find recovery disc at places like: http://www.gennersales.co.uk/ Thnak you for the reminder that the EU and the US are different places. All they have in common is one letter in the abbreviation. Microsoft has been forced to do business VERY differently in the EU, where there is still governmental concern for the rights of individuals compared to megacorporations. It does not surprise me that recovery CDs would be available in Europe. Because the US government is extremely friendly to businesses, to put it mildly, Microsoft twists everyone's testes here. Or tits. Whichever. And recovery CDs are not available in the general marketplace except from the name brand manufacturer, provided one whines loudly enough. What I stated was US-centric, because I have been back here for the last 22 years. I would not mind if someone proved me wrong by posting the URL of a US(!!!)-based web site that sells XP recovery CDs legally at a price much less than a full-fledged store copy of XPee. I would be up near the front of the line, to fill out the collection I already have... Ben Myers Well they do sell to the US as well Ben. And here in the US, there was a place that specialized in Toshiba (non-officially). And they sold recovery discs too. I guess they don't do this anymore at: http://www.usedtoshiba.com/ How this UK outfit and those in the US that does this I believe works like this. You, I, or whomever can legally sell, give, or whatever Windows OS and/or recovery install disc to anybody with a valid Windows license to whomever we want too. What is forbidden is to copy licenses and Product Key Codes. But in the last 7 years or so, the computer should have the sticker on it with the license and Product Key Code on them anyway. -- Bill |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:52:24 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:
SNIP Well they do sell to the US as well Ben. And here in the US, there was a place that specialized in Toshiba (non-officially). And they sold recovery discs too. I guess they don't do this anymore at: http://www.usedtoshiba.com/ How this UK outfit and those in the US that does this I believe works like this. You, I, or whomever can legally sell, give, or whatever Windows OS and/or recovery install disc to anybody with a valid Windows license to whomever we want too. What is forbidden is to copy licenses and Product Key Codes. But in the last 7 years or so, the computer should have the sticker on it with the license and Product Key Code on them anyway. This is my understanding, too. If the computer has a COA sticker, it can have a matching version of Windows loaded up on it. The issues often come about because Microsoft has different COA Product Key Codes for essentially identical software. For example, there are upgrade/retail, non-upgrade/retail, and OEM versions of XP Home. One MUST use a CD that matches the version, or else after manually entering the code, Windows says that the code is not valid. (Then there is the whole mess of WGA, yet another obstacle.) There has been a lot of discussion on-line elsewhere as to whether or not an OEM restore CD from one name brand mfr can be used to restore onto another brand of computer. A lot of mixed opinions, and nobody has the time to do a methodical and detailed analysis... Ben Myers |
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Kevin Childers wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message . com... Ben Myers wrote: [snip] Have you considered loading up systems with something like Ubuntu Linux? No license fee. No COA. Nobody and no software to harrass you. Relatively easy installation process with fewer reboots than a Windows XP install-and-update-all-the-patches. Currently there is equivalent software for Office (except Access), Photoshop, various media players, and all manner of other stuff. All included on the distribution CDs. You can download for free and burn your own CDs. There are other comparable variations of Linux, too... Ben Myers When will people realize that the commercial world doesn't support Linux! I first heard of Linux back around '95 and today I still won't touch it. As everything I buy, from flight simulators, VoIP, cameras, IM software, etc. only come with Windows software and rarely with Mac crippled versions. There are no Linux versions for any of this stuff. Why the hell would someone want to run Linux for? Why would you want to dumb your computer down to a glorified PDA for? I just don't get it? -- Bill I think you should take another look around at this issue. There are numerous alternatives to the MS series of offerings as well as quite a few windows based apps being ported over to other O/Ss. Some of the biggest pushes to this have been the licensing system used by MS as well as cost and support. Google a bit on the web and you can find an alternative to MS for just about any app with a very similar interface. Well having lots of applications for an OS was good enough years ago. But things are different today. Now you need driver support and things that I have already mentioned. And plain applications just won't cut it anymore for me anyway. I need all of my devices connected to my computer to work too. Neither a Mac or Linux can do that for me. Thus the only choice for me is Windows. And if the third party manufactures continue to support just Windows, things are not going to change for me. -- Bill |
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Ben Myers wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:52:24 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: SNIP Well they do sell to the US as well Ben. And here in the US, there was a place that specialized in Toshiba (non-officially). And they sold recovery discs too. I guess they don't do this anymore at: http://www.usedtoshiba.com/ How this UK outfit and those in the US that does this I believe works like this. You, I, or whomever can legally sell, give, or whatever Windows OS and/or recovery install disc to anybody with a valid Windows license to whomever we want too. What is forbidden is to copy licenses and Product Key Codes. But in the last 7 years or so, the computer should have the sticker on it with the license and Product Key Code on them anyway. This is my understanding, too. If the computer has a COA sticker, it can have a matching version of Windows loaded up on it. The issues often come about because Microsoft has different COA Product Key Codes for essentially identical software. For example, there are upgrade/retail, non-upgrade/retail, and OEM versions of XP Home. One MUST use a CD that matches the version, or else after manually entering the code, Windows says that the code is not valid... SNIP Oh yeah... I forgot about that. Someone asked me to help them restore their Windows 98SE after something hosed their OS on the HD. And when I got there, Windows wouldn't load because many files were missing. I said no problem, where is your Windows CD? They pulled out hundreds of CD installs, but nothing for Windows 98. So I said wait a minute, I have one in the car and installed it and put in their Key Code and it wouldn't work! I don't mind Microsoft going after the crooks! But when they screw with honest people I get really ****ed! All this does is cause honest people to purchase multiple licenses for the same damn computer. -- Bill |
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BillW50 wrote:
... I don't mind Microsoft going after the crooks! But when they screw with honest people I get really ****ed! All this does is cause honest people to purchase multiple licenses for the same damn computer. I should have added that I have two computers right here with 2 licences of XP for each of them because of this nonsense. Someone should take Bill Gates and hang him by his... And if you read the license agreement, all you need is a newer unused license and then is good enough to install an older version of Windows on the computer. Okay great, if I have a computer that I rather have Windows 98SE on it. I can't purchase a license for Windows 98SE, but I can legally purchase Windows XP and then borrow a Windows 98SE install CD and I'm legal. Problem is the damn Product Key Code for Windows XP doesn't work with Windows 98SE. So why do they tell me it is okay for? And have me spend the money on something I can't use? Can you say *******s? -- Bill |
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Device support is a big area. The Linux developers do a real good job of
jumping onto driver development for all the latest greatest chipsets, printers, NICs, scanners, etc. Still, I have had exactly two Linux device problems over the years, one many years ago and one about three years ago. In both cases, the device was so new that the Linux distro being used did not have a built in device driver. Many years ago, I swapped out a graphics card for a slightly older one, maybe six months old. More recently, I ADDED a NIC so that a P4 could function as a router/firewall. At the time, the Linux-based firewall vendor did not support a then-new Intel Ethernet chip on the motherboard. ANY Postscript printer is supported by Linux, out of the box, just like Macs. HP printers are well-supported by Linux, but I do not know about the HP all-in-one PSC devices. Scanners have a standardized Twain-like software interface, so most work seamlessly and easily, unlike the dreadful hodge-podge of scanning software from everyone and his brother under Windows. With Windows XP, if the system is new enough, one has to go through a lot of additional work to install drivers for any hardware not included in the original XP. So what's the difference here with device support??? Just like any other part of this world, you look before you leap, whether it is Windows or Linux, examine closely the support for the hardware you need and the work you need to do with the software. Why do I feel like this is deteriorating into a red-blue type dialog? Or could this be a Microsoft employee responding? Don't get me wrong. I still sell 90+% Windows-based systems. Microsoft continues to do its best to make the alternatives more attractive... Ben Myers On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:43:52 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: Kevin Childers wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message . com... Ben Myers wrote: [snip] Have you considered loading up systems with something like Ubuntu Linux? No license fee. No COA. Nobody and no software to harrass you. Relatively easy installation process with fewer reboots than a Windows XP install-and-update-all-the-patches. Currently there is equivalent software for Office (except Access), Photoshop, various media players, and all manner of other stuff. All included on the distribution CDs. You can download for free and burn your own CDs. There are other comparable variations of Linux, too... Ben Myers When will people realize that the commercial world doesn't support Linux! I first heard of Linux back around '95 and today I still won't touch it. As everything I buy, from flight simulators, VoIP, cameras, IM software, etc. only come with Windows software and rarely with Mac crippled versions. There are no Linux versions for any of this stuff. Why the hell would someone want to run Linux for? Why would you want to dumb your computer down to a glorified PDA for? I just don't get it? -- Bill I think you should take another look around at this issue. There are numerous alternatives to the MS series of offerings as well as quite a few windows based apps being ported over to other O/Ss. Some of the biggest pushes to this have been the licensing system used by MS as well as cost and support. Google a bit on the web and you can find an alternative to MS for just about any app with a very similar interface. Well having lots of applications for an OS was good enough years ago. But things are different today. Now you need driver support and things that I have already mentioned. And plain applications just won't cut it anymore for me anyway. I need all of my devices connected to my computer to work too. Neither a Mac or Linux can do that for me. Thus the only choice for me is Windows. And if the third party manufactures continue to support just Windows, things are not going to change for me. |
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I'll repeat what I stated in another response. Microsoft is doing its best to
make alternative operating systems more attractive. Your experience is a good example of this. And evidently you are not a Micro$oft employee... Ben Myers On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:31:14 -0500, "BillW50" wrote: BillW50 wrote: ... I don't mind Microsoft going after the crooks! But when they screw with honest people I get really ****ed! All this does is cause honest people to purchase multiple licenses for the same damn computer. I should have added that I have two computers right here with 2 licences of XP for each of them because of this nonsense. Someone should take Bill Gates and hang him by his... And if you read the license agreement, all you need is a newer unused license and then is good enough to install an older version of Windows on the computer. Okay great, if I have a computer that I rather have Windows 98SE on it. I can't purchase a license for Windows 98SE, but I can legally purchase Windows XP and then borrow a Windows 98SE install CD and I'm legal. Problem is the damn Product Key Code for Windows XP doesn't work with Windows 98SE. So why do they tell me it is okay for? And have me spend the money on something I can't use? Can you say *******s? |
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Ben Myers wrote:
Device support is a big area. The Linux developers do a real good job of jumping onto driver development for all the latest greatest chipsets, printers, NICs, scanners, etc. Still, I have had exactly two Linux device problems over the years, one many years ago and one about three years ago. In both cases, the device was so new that the Linux distro being used did not have a built in device driver. Many years ago, I swapped out a graphics card for a slightly older one, maybe six months old. More recently, I ADDED a NIC so that a P4 could function as a router/firewall. At the time, the Linux-based firewall vendor did not support a then-new Intel Ethernet chip on the motherboard. ANY Postscript printer is supported by Linux, out of the box, just like Macs. HP printers are well-supported by Linux, but I do not know about the HP all-in-one PSC devices. Scanners have a standardized Twain-like software interface, so most work seamlessly and easily, unlike the dreadful hodge-podge of scanning software from everyone and his brother under Windows. With Windows XP, if the system is new enough, one has to go through a lot of additional work to install drivers for any hardware not included in the original XP. So what's the difference here with device support??? Just like any other part of this world, you look before you leap, whether it is Windows or Linux, examine closely the support for the hardware you need and the work you need to do with the software. Why do I feel like this is deteriorating into a red-blue type dialog? Or could this be a Microsoft employee responding? Don't get me wrong. I still sell 90+% Windows-based systems. Microsoft continues to do its best to make the alternatives more attractive... Ben Myers What can I tell you Ben? Here is how things works for me. Like my last girlfriend lived 1200 miles away and got me hooked on Yahoo with voice. Better yet we could yak for hours for free. So I bought a Yahoo phone from VTech. Now I have a wireless VoIP phone I can use hundreds of feet from the base. I also signed up for a new phone number through Yahoo which allows me free incoming calls for like 30 bucks a year and only 2¢ per minute to non-Yahoo computers (landlane, cells, etc.). Well I broke up with her later, but I still have the phone and Yahoo. My computer has to be on for the phone to work (although it does connect up to the landline which doesn't need the computer for that part). But how do I run this from Linux? The thing is I can't. Only Windows 2000 or Windows XP only. That isn't all... what about my Palm IIIc and IIIxe? The software only works with Windows. Doesn't work with Linux at all. And what about my digital camera? Windows software only. What about my USB tuner card? Windows only. See what I am talking about here? How in the world could I work at all under Linux? I can't! Are you tired of listening yet? If you are not, here is some more. One I don't like OE very much for newsgroups and even email. There are a lot of things I would change with it. But dang it, all others I have tried are far worse than OE. And I don't if their is anything as good (if you want to call it good) on the Linux side. At least OE-QuiteFix helps a lot with OE. -- Bill |
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BillW50 wrote:
... At least OE-QuiteFix helps a lot with OE. That should be OE-QuoteFix. Sorry! lol -- Bill |
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Ben Myers wrote :
Finally, just for fun (or possibly more aggravation), call Gateway and ask if they will sell you recovery/restore CDs. Give them the computer serial number, which is entirely legit. FWIW, Dell and HPaq sell their recovery CDs... Ben Myers On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:24:02 -0700, Postman delivers wrote: The last three computers I have assembled, or put back together have all shown up with WGA errors. Since it is almost impossible to secure recover disks with all the advertising, I have been using several Windows CDs to install the product listed on the COA with legitimate codes. Now installing with the COA, I am getting Windows Counterfeit messages doing the updates because I am using the same disk. I was able to find a HP recover disk for one of the computers I assembled from several different computers, not the originals but the correct ones for that specific model. I have two computers (one Gateway e-4000) that I cannot give to the school for their disadvantaged students because of the WGA errors. In talking to MS, the support person indicated it is the MS policy that the original disks must be used and not one disk for many computer systems. Since I almost never get the recovery disks, with the broken or destroyed computers I rebuild, or piece together, nor do I have a benefactor that will pay for recovery disks/a new copy of windows I have a problem. Is there a location on the net where someone or a group has stored recovery disks that manufactures no longer have or will ship, so that they can be secure, when trying to rebuild the computers? I understand that (WGA) is to prevent Operating System Piracy, but this is too much and a very recent development. Maybe it is time for me to choose another endeavor... Yes, I know there are a number of work arounds for the current and past versions of (WGA). JR the Postman I have and it is not available... I have also created a MS exception or case number to see if I can find another solution. I have several bird dogs working garage sales currently, looking to acquire every computer OS or recovery disk possible. The Funny part is the people have lost/miss placed them, or tossed them when they discarded or upgraded their computers... I have not been doing this long enough, or am not close enough to the party donating the systems to ask/plead for the operating system disks. But education is going to work, and I am going to acquire a collection of recovery disks. I am using a OEM when possible and have no real problem accomplishing that type of recover with a COA. But when I have no recovery partition and no recovery disks, I was using a non-upgrade/retail disk and that recently has not passed the (WGA) it always did previously and now I received a new (WGA) error maybe for using same disk for more than one install, using the COA # from the computer case. I am going to look into Linux, the students will not care and I still enjoy performing this service of getting these tired systems running again, and placing them into a students home... JR -- Mesnews is a decent yEnc capable newsreader - www.mesnews.net |
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