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  #31  
Old June 19th 07, 05:38 AM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Dennis Ritchie
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"Bill Turlock" "Bill Turlock wrote in message
...
Byron Myers wrote:

You might check out NCR's CRAM.
512 3x14" cards had to be pretty bulky.

...
IIRC, the card, after being selected, fell by gravity down a
channel until it met the spinning drum, where a vacuum held it to
the drum for reading and writing. To release, I think fingers
picked it off the drum and inertia shot it back up the return
channel and a solenoid-operated plate smacked it back onto the
pack, suspended by the eight " lazy-'D' " rods which were the
selection mechanism.

....

RCA had a very similar gadget called the RACE. There was
one on our Multics machine for a while. It's mentioned at
multicians.org (MIT had one too). As this article points
out, neither MIT nor we ever wrote a driver for it.

However, one of the GE CE's was much enamored of it,
and would put it through its paces every month or so, though
I don't think he played enough to explore its failure modes
(though they must have been much like the CRAM).

Dennis


  #32  
Old June 19th 07, 07:43 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Jim Haynes
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Default Bulkiest removable storage media?

In article ,
Dennis Ritchie wrote:

RCA had a very similar gadget called the RACE. There was


Known around the G.E. factory as the "chicken plucker"

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  #33  
Old June 19th 07, 11:04 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Eugene Miya
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In article ,
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
"Byron Myers" writes:
You might check out NCR's CRAM.


the ibm photostore was somewhat compareable ... then the 2321 might be


It depends is something like this is regarded as "working."
While I know 1 site was happy (providing permanent employment for at
least 1 IBM employee), other sites were less happy.

....
Photo-digital storage system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1360
http://www.computerhistory.org/virtu...id=02.07.01.00

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  #34  
Old June 19th 07, 11:14 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Eugene Miya
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In article ,
Roland Hutchinson wrote:
I'm still somewhat in awe of the fact that the new Micro Center store in
northern New Jersey can afford to hand out 2 GB flash memory devices as
promotional swag. (They sent out a mailing a couple of weeks ago: one per
customer with the mailing flyer, but also a 1 GB freebee for a friend with
the pass-along card from the flyer. Your choice of card or USB stick.
Admittedly, the stick came with that dreadful U3 software and I had to
borrow a Windows machine to reflash its firmware to get rid of it.)


Don't be in awe too long.
It's useful to track flash drive price at Fry's.
They also sometimes limit purchases to 1 per customer (another useful metric).
Before these devices it was Photon lights, teeshirts (of course,
and they will still be collectors items; I'm doing a run of 3 dozen
shortly), laser pointers ($6 for 1), and for a little more work
(competitive contests, or multi booth vendor visits) small hand held TVs,
iPods (of course), Walkmen (ancient), and then the bigger ticket items
from things like drawings (but you really have to interest geeks).
O'Reilly does good book giveaways but the thing to watch for with Tim
are his slew of new tech talent meetings like Foo Camp and Makerfaire.
And more.

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Old June 20th 07, 07:07 AM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Roland Hutchinson
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Default Bulkiest removable storage media? (SWAG)

Eugene Miya wrote:

In article ,
Roland Hutchinson wrote:
I'm still somewhat in awe of the fact that the new Micro Center store in
northern New Jersey can afford to hand out 2 GB flash memory devices as
promotional swag. (They sent out a mailing a couple of weeks ago: one per
customer with the mailing flyer, but also a 1 GB freebee for a friend with
the pass-along card from the flyer. Your choice of card or USB stick.
Admittedly, the stick came with that dreadful U3 software and I had to
borrow a Windows machine to reflash its firmware to get rid of it.)


Don't be in awe too long.


I'm not that much in awe.

It's useful to track flash drive price at Fry's.


I miss having a Fry's retail store nearby. The nearest one appears to be a
tad over 700 miles from here.

They also sometimes limit purchases to 1 per customer (another useful
metric). Before these devices it was Photon lights, teeshirts (of course,
and they will still be collectors items; I'm doing a run of 3 dozen
shortly), laser pointers ($6 for 1), and for a little more work
(competitive contests, or multi booth vendor visits) small hand held TVs,
iPods (of course), Walkmen (ancient), and then the bigger ticket items
from things like drawings (but you really have to interest geeks).
O'Reilly does good book giveaways but the thing to watch for with Tim
are his slew of new tech talent meetings like Foo Camp and Makerfaire.
And more.


Oh, there is indeed swag and then there is swag:

My current -- well, six-year-old but still current -- Linux laptop is an IBM
Thinkpad that was one of six raffled off by IBM at LinuxWorld Expo the year
that they announced their billion-dollar committment to Linux. It was
Microsoft-free out of the box, too (came with spitCaldera/spit eDesktop
2.something preinstalled; now happily running the latest and greatest
Ubuntu).

I don't go to out-of-town-tech events much (LinuxWorld Expo used to be
local, but it's absquatulated to Boston), so I think that's probably far
and away the best swag I'm likely to see for a while.

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NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to
remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it.
  #36  
Old June 20th 07, 11:35 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Anthony J. Albert
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Default Bulkiest removable storage media?

On 14 Jun 2007 10:10:51 -0800, (Eugene Miya)
wrote:

In article .com,
Tim Shoppa wrote:
What's the bulkiest removable storage media? Drums etc. don't count
because you don't often switch the drum (although they certainly could
be heavy judging by nothing but the size of the bearings). I worked
with RP06 packs and some funky optical tape reels in the past, but
those were pretty measly compared to some others I have seen or heard
about:


Removeable or moveable?
Cargo container. It is the next corporate form factor.
The Internet Archive started the Petabyte box project a few years back
when Brewster realized that disk was reaching $1K/TB. The last I heard
it was slightly side tracked but others have apparently done it for the
Persian Gulf (someone for like Bechtel or some customer like that), it's
web searchable. Contained cooling and communication.

[SNIP]

In related information, Sun Microsystems (and I believe others) have
announced complete IT centers in a standard sized shipping container.
Just hook up power and data lines. They appear to be focusing on the
idea that events might need extra processing / data warehousing for
short time periods - perhaps "Olympics Summer Games" type events? Or
in case of disaster - rent a data center to replace the one that just
got flooded, burnt down, or carried off by a tornado to Oz.

One of several articles discussing the idea:
http://siliconvalleysleuth.co.uk/200...ves_datac.html

Anthony Albert
  #37  
Old June 20th 07, 11:56 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Eugene Miya
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Default Frys was: Bulkiest removable storage media? (SWAG)

In article ,
Roland Hutchinson wrote:
I'm still somewhat in awe of the fact that the new Micro Center store in
northern New Jersey can afford to hand out 2 GB flash memory devices as
promotional swag. (They sent out a mailing a couple of weeks ago: one per

Don't be in awe too long.


I'm not that much in awe.


Oh, good.

It's useful to track flash drive price at Fry's.


I miss having a Fry's retail store nearby. The nearest one appears to be a
tad over 700 miles from here.


Despite their oft noted service problems, they aren't that bad.
Better of course to be closest to the original one (now in the former
Singer Link flight simulator factory (from the one which was painted
like the exterior of a chip with pin out). Could be worse.

Oh, there is indeed swag and then there is swag:

My current -- well, six-year-old but still current -- Linux laptop is an IBM
Thinkpad that was one of six raffled off by IBM at LinuxWorld Expo the year
that they announced their billion-dollar committment to Linux. It was
Microsoft-free out of the box, too (came with spitCaldera/spit eDesktop
2.something preinstalled; now happily running the latest and greatest
Ubuntu).


I'm going to Usenet here shortly. Just an iPod for a drawing.
I can get a PC for work, but I carry a G4 at this time.
Right now I draw a machine (PC) from the pool or keep a separate one of
my own.

I don't go to out-of-town-tech events much (LinuxWorld Expo used to be
local, but it's absquatulated to Boston), so I think that's probably far
and away the best swag I'm likely to see for a while.


There's a meeting in Boston later this year (Aug., probably won't go,
and I may do a long weekend into Maine after I get back from AK this
Oct. with an old DEC friend).

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  #38  
Old June 25th 07, 07:59 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Eugene Miya
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Default Bulkiest removable storage media?

What's the bulkiest removable storage media? Drums etc. don't count
Removeable or moveable?
Cargo container. It is the next corporate form factor.


In article ,
Anthony J. Albert wrote:
One of several articles discussing the idea:
http://siliconvalleysleuth.co.uk/200...ves_datac.html


What an amusing domain. It's like siliconvalley.ch.
Many people want to know what's happening in Santa Clara Valley, CA.
I now know the UK's trade rep (he asks me to convince local firms to
open up offices in the UK, the CH want help internally to bolster their
economy and be know for more than milk and milk products, watches,
knives, etc. [they do have Swatch and their own fab lines]).
I was just pointing out Sun Quintin on Friday. Weird.

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Old June 25th 07, 09:22 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Morten Reistad
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In article 46800292$1@darkstar, Eugene Miya wrote:
What's the bulkiest removable storage media? Drums etc. don't count
Removeable or moveable?
Cargo container. It is the next corporate form factor.


In article ,
Anthony J. Albert wrote:
One of several articles discussing the idea:
http://siliconvalleysleuth.co.uk/200...ves_datac.html



Old thread, but I just remembered;

All ship hulls made after 1988 are supposed to be marked with
their IMO numbers, up to and including cruise ships, supertankers and
container ships. For the higher SOLAS classes this must even be
bar-coded at certain strategic locations. So, yes, the harbour
electronics can determine that is DOES deal with the correct ship.

A supertanker is therefore a removable storage media, as seen
from a harbour. Things does not get much bigger that that.

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Old July 10th 07, 07:48 PM posted to alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch.storage
Eugene Miya
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What's the bulkiest removable storage media? Drums etc. don't count
In article 46800292$1@darkstar, Eugene Miya wrote:
Removeable or moveable?
Cargo container. It is the next corporate form factor.


In article ,
Anthony J. Albert wrote:
One of several articles discussing the idea:
http://siliconvalleysleuth.co.uk/200...ves_datac.html


In article ,
Morten Reistad wrote:
Old thread, but I just remembered;

All ship hulls made after 1988 are supposed to be marked with
their IMO numbers, up to and including cruise ships, supertankers and
container ships. For the higher SOLAS classes this must even be
bar-coded at certain strategic locations. So, yes, the harbour
electronics can determine that is DOES deal with the correct ship.


Funny you mention this.
I just saw this. I just took a DUCK, really DUKW, tour of SF as a sample
of an upcoming 80 year old's b-day. Independent of radar transponders,
etc.

A supertanker is therefore a removable storage media, as seen
from a harbour. Things does not get much bigger that that.


I think unless you want to specifically tag atoms or molecules
it's bordering on the stretch of the original question.

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