Seagate buys Maxtor

tony wrote:

"YKhan" wrote in message oups.com...
Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com
http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor

Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to
aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction.

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates.
will run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed.



Tony,

You are

1. A troll, or
2. You have Seagate and Maxtor the wrong way around in your message, or
3. You are in a coma.

Maxtor (after Excelstor) are currently the worst drives on the planet.

Seagate taking over Maxtor will adversely affect my business - but it
will keep a lot of others *IN* business.


Odie
--
Retrodata
www.retrodata.co.uk
Globally Local Data Recovery Experts

"J. Clarke" wrote:

tony wrote:


"Never anonymous Bud" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:22 GMT, "tony" wrote:

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates.
will run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Complete bull****,

Factual. I refer to 80GB SATA drives from both vendors. I evaluated
both Seagate and Maxtor and the above are what I noted.

How many of each did you evaluate and over what time period and in what
manner?

The
clinchers for choosing Maxtor over Seagate we

Seagates have annoying idle seek noise.
Seagate disables the acoustic management features.

If you investigate I believe that you will find that Seagate sets their SATA
drives on max performance and their PATA drives on min noise. They don't
"disable the acoustic management features", they just don't let you adjust
them. I doubt that any other drive vendor does these days either after the
Seagate lawsuit.

The other stuff is empirical but noteworthy:

Couldn't keep my finger on a hot Seagate but could
with Maxtor.

I have replaced so many Seagates in Dell computers

Perhaps instead of blaming Seagate you should find out what it is about
those Dell computers that is killing drives.

and have heard so much whine from Seagates over
the years.

Sure it's from the drives and not from the fans? None of my Seagates
"whine" other than the "cat's meow" recals that happen occasionally.

But John, that's only because you're not wearing your aluminium
radiation shield.

You should know better.


Odie

--
Retrodata
www.retrodata.co.uk
Globally Local Data Recovery Experts

ROFL I don't think i have ever heard Tony being called a troll, LOL!

And I thought heat killed harddrives, and bad PSU's silly me!

But what do I know, I have a Maxtor, Samsung, Seagate, I have one case
that is know as a drive killer, it has now started on my 5+ year old
dvd-rom. I have gone through two Maxtor, on was about 5 years old, the
other died due to my killer heat case. So I chop it up to bad admin,
but my freebsd box with my Seagate is going strong. Boy those Samsung
drives are quite, I even got the el cheapo 2 mb version. I am waiting
for my case to kill it.

But dang I missed out on those 29 buck Maxtor's, even if it was in
rebates.

Gnu_Raiz

"J. Clarke" wrote in message ...
tony wrote:


"Never anonymous Bud" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:22 GMT, "tony" wrote:

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates.
will run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Complete bull****,

Factual. I refer to 80GB SATA drives from both vendors. I evaluated
both Seagate and Maxtor and the above are what I noted.

How many of each did you evaluate and over what time period and in what
manner?

I've already made my decision. Period.


The
clinchers for choosing Maxtor over Seagate we

Seagates have annoying idle seek noise.
Seagate disables the acoustic management features.

If you investigate I believe that you will find that Seagate sets their SATA
drives on max performance and their PATA drives on min noise. They don't
"disable the acoustic management features", they just don't let you adjust
them. I doubt that any other drive vendor does these days either after the
Seagate lawsuit.

WRONG! Seagate disables the acoustic management features (or did in the
SATA drives I had/have). Something about patents they don't own or something
like that was the reason given. ("Don't let you adjust them" is what I meant by
disabling. What's the point if you can't adjust them to get a silent drive I ask!).


The other stuff is empirical but noteworthy:

Couldn't keep my finger on a hot Seagate but could
with Maxtor.

I have replaced so many Seagates in Dell computers

Perhaps instead of blaming Seagate you should find out what it is about
those Dell computers that is killing drives.

Whatever. I use (well I did.. now that their going to be Seagate, maybe the
party is over) Maxtors.


and have heard so much whine from Seagates over
the years.

Sure it's from the drives and not from the fans? None of my Seagates
"whine" other than the "cat's meow" recals that happen occasionally.

Most people won't buy another car of the same brand if they get a lemon
even if they didn't do a statistical test. Gotta rely on instincts.

Tony

"Odie Ferrous" wrote in message ...
tony wrote:

"YKhan" wrote in message oups.com...
Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com
http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor

Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to
aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction.

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates.
will run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed.



Tony,

You are

1. A troll, or
2. You have Seagate and Maxtor the wrong way around in your message, or
3. You are in a coma.

Maxtor (after Excelstor) are currently the worst drives on the planet.

What can I say, I like silent drives. Can't have that with a Seagate. Can with
Maxtor. Even if it were true that Maxtors fail more often, I'd rather replace
twice as often than listen to a Seagate popcorn machine inside of my PC.

Tony

tony wrote
Odie Ferrous wrote
tony wrote
YKhan wrote

Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com
http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor

Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to aquire rival
vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction.

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates. will
run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed.

You are

1. A troll, or
2. You have Seagate and Maxtor the wrong way around in your message, or 3.
You are in a coma.

Or just 'brain' dead |-)

Maxtor (after Excelstor) are currently the worst drives on the planet.

What can I say, I like silent drives. Can't have that with a Seagate.
Can with Maxtor. Even if it were true that Maxtors fail more often, I'd rather
replace twice as often than listen to a Seagate popcorn machine inside of my
PC.

Makes more sense to get Samsungs instead, get the quiet, and a decent life too.

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Odie Ferrous wrote:
tony wrote:

"YKhan" wrote in message oups.com...
Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com
http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor

Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to
aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction.

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates.
will run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed.



Tony,

You are

1. A troll, or
2. You have Seagate and Maxtor the wrong way around in your message, or
3. You are in a coma.

Maxtor (after Excelstor) are currently the worst drives on the planet.

In my experience Maxtors are reliable _only_ if they are cooled really
well. They draw too much power for disks in normal systems. I had one
200GB drive heat itself up to the point where it stopped working an
external Aluminium enclosure and with light disk load. A Seagate and
a Samsung disk in the same enclosure are reliable and not too warm
even with heavy load. This means that in most settings Maxtors will be
unreliable and die early, since in many PC systems cooling and airflow
in the case is not too good.

Seagate taking over Maxtor will adversely affect my business - but it
will keep a lot of others *IN* business.

I agree. IMO they should just get rid of the Maxtors designs and
retool everything to the Seagate models.

Arno

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage tony wrote:

"Odie Ferrous" wrote in message ...
tony wrote:

"YKhan" wrote in message oups.com...
Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com
http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor

Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to
aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction.

Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives:

will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have.
will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates.
will run as hot as the Seagates.
will fail as often as the Seagates.
will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates.

Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed.



Tony,

You are

1. A troll, or
2. You have Seagate and Maxtor the wrong way around in your message, or
3. You are in a coma.

Maxtor (after Excelstor) are currently the worst drives on the planet.

What can I say, I like silent drives. Can't have that with a
Seagate. Can with Maxtor. Even if it were true that Maxtors fail
more often, I'd rather replace twice as often than listen to a
Seagate popcorn machine inside of my PC.

If quiet is the issue, go Samsung. They are the quietest drives
on the market. BTW, I have yet to get a quiet Maxtor, but I
stopped buying them about 2 years ago. Have they changed?

Arno

"Arno Wagner" wrote in message ...

I agree. IMO they should just get rid of the Maxtors designs and
retool everything to the Seagate models.

God forbid! That would be like imposing water torture on
PC users again after Maxtor had saved them from it (I'm talking
about the annoying noise Seagates make (7200.7s)).

Tony

"Arno Wagner" wrote in message ...

What can I say, I like silent drives. Can't have that with a
Seagate. Can with Maxtor. Even if it were true that Maxtors fail
more often, I'd rather replace twice as often than listen to a
Seagate popcorn machine inside of my PC.

If quiet is the issue, go Samsung. They are the quietest drives
on the market. BTW, I have yet to get a quiet Maxtor, but I
stopped buying them about 2 years ago. Have they changed?

Well now is becoming the time to investigate other brands perhaps
since Maxtor is being sucked up by Seagate. Does Samsung have
the features and technology though that Seagate and Maxtor do
(SATA, 7200 RPM, NCQ, high density, hot-swap etc)? I'm looking for
silent though and not just "quietly annoying" like the Seagates are.
Maxtor met my extreme criteria for "silent" whereas Seagate did not.

Tony