Smartphone to PC file transfer?

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 04/04/2014 22:12, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
I would recommend a 20 meter USB cable with the B end in your living
room. More precisely, I would recommend it, except that it's a stupid
idea. Its only merit is that it's *my own* stupid idea :-)

USB cables are limited to 5m length.


That is why you put four 5 meter cables with active
repeaters on each, end to end.

The (5M) length limit is enforced by some time constant
in the protocol. While longer cables are offered
for sale, somehow the time of flight still has
to be taken into account. Some of the cables
cheat, by adding additional active repeaters in
the middle of the cable run. But there are some
other cables, where the wire is too long (using a
different dielectric would probably not allow the
cable length to be doubled). So they must have found
some other way around the timeout issue.

I use the 5 meter cables, because I don't like surprises.
And I was surprised how much power was available at
the end of the cable. A couple of webcams didn't complain
at all, when operated at the end of 15 meters of cable.

As an example of what you can do, this is a still picture
clipped out a movie, taken when I had a camera up behind
my bathroom wall. The object in the picture is the
valve for the shower, and it isn't leaking into the
wall (whew!). That's what owning long USB cables buys
you. Home inspection, in weird places. Some day, I'll
have a robot to climb up inside the walls and look around :-)

http://i61.tinypic.com/vcz62h.jpg

The camera... using some ancient webcam chips (controller and sensor)

http://www.generaltools.com/DCS050--...m_p_1296.html#

Paul

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 22:59:24 -0400, charlie wrote:

On 4/4/2014 5:12 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:06:10 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Per John Doe:
Requiring a file manager
with LAN isn't my idea of easy file transfer between devices. Easy
file transfer between devices is when the device shows up like a
USB flash drive shows up automatically in Windows Explorer.

Might depend on what one calls "easy". For me, an instant WiFi
connection from anywhere in the house is easy and having to go down to
the computer and plug in a USB cable is less than easy.

I would recommend a 20 meter USB cable with the B end in your living
room. More precisely, I would recommend it, except that it's a stupid
idea. Its only merit is that it's *my own* stupid idea :-)

Total aside: I'm listening to some music by Respighi streaming over the
Internet, but the CD at the station is apparently faulty, and it's
skipping like mad. Ah, modern technology!

The "Skipping" may be a result of your IP trying to discourage streaming
of audio and or video.

That's why it only happens once in a year?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:14:23 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 04/04/2014 22:12, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
I would recommend a 20 meter USB cable with the B end in your living
room. More precisely, I would recommend it, except that it's a stupid
idea. Its only merit is that it's *my own* stupid idea :-)

USB cables are limited to 5m length.

I take it you didn't note the smiley.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 05/04/2014 19:00, Alek Trishan wrote:
On 4/5/2014 5:12 AM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/04/2014 19:46, John Doe wrote:
Have they figured out that copying data is a fundamental part of
computing? My iPhone 3G does not easily copy files to/from a PC.
My next smartphone definitely will. That's just critical here.


Make sure your next one is an Android one. Install the SSHDroid app,
install an FTP client on your pc and you can use sftp to connect from
your pc to your smartphone. Works well.

Or use the LAN plug-in with TotalCommander and operate file transfers
using your Android device. I like that better than having to go to where
my computer is. :-)

I wasn't aware of that option. A good one.
But I still prefer to work from my pc with a keyboard :-)

Fokke

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:46:31 AM UTC+8, John Doe wrote:
Have they figured out that copying data is a fundamental part of

computing? My iPhone 3G does not easily copy files to/from a PC.

My next smartphone definitely will. That's just critical here.


Dumb and dumber. The iPhone plays well with Mac. Why not buy a Mac? Stupid stupid John D'OH!

RL

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On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:46:31 AM UTC+8, John Doe wrote:
Have they figured out that copying data is a fundamental part of

computing? My iPhone 3G does not easily copy files to/from a PC.

My next smartphone definitely will. That's just critical here.


Dumb and dumber. The iPhone plays well with Mac. Why not buy a Mac? Stupid stupid John D'OH!

RL

On 4/4/2014 1:46 PM, John Doe wrote:
Have they figured out that copying data is a fundamental part of
computing? My iPhone 3G does not easily copy files to/from a PC.
My next smartphone definitely will. That's just critical here.

old version of DropBox

in iTunes lots of apps when searching "file manager"

Zaidy036 Zaidy036 isp.spam wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Have they figured out that copying data is a fundamental part
of computing? My iPhone 3G does not easily copy files to/from a
PC. My next smartphone definitely will. That's just critical
here.

old version of DropBox in iTunes lots of apps when searching
"file manager"

That's not enough. A $600 smart phone should be as easy to use as
a $5 flash drive.

When it is plugged into my computer, it will show up in Windows'
file manager. That includes music and video (multimedia)
directories/folders, so that songs and videos can be dragged and
dropped from my hard drive to the smartphone for playing.
Importing songs to my iPhone 3G is a PITA.

IPhones (at least up through the 3G) weren't meant for PC users,
and it shows.

John Doe wrote:
Zaidy036 Zaidy036 isp.spam wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Have they figured out that copying data is a fundamental part
of computing? My iPhone 3G does not easily copy files to/from a
PC. My next smartphone definitely will. That's just critical
here.
old version of DropBox in iTunes lots of apps when searching
"file manager"

That's not enough. A $600 smart phone should be as easy to use as
a $5 flash drive.

When it is plugged into my computer, it will show up in Windows'
file manager. That includes music and video (multimedia)
directories/folders, so that songs and videos can be dragged and
dropped from my hard drive to the smartphone for playing.
Importing songs to my iPhone 3G is a PITA.

IPhones (at least up through the 3G) weren't meant for PC users,
and it shows.

Apple products were designed with DRM (digital rights management)
in mind. That's why syncing the content is so anal. They're free
to change the terms of the DRM as time passes, but that doesn't
change the transport standards used when the device is plugged
in.

With Microsoft, that's what MTP was for, versus USB Mass Storage
(which allows you to do anything). MTP allows enforcing DRM as well.

Microsoft had this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playsforsure

Apple had that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay

The differences are when they decided to turn them on or
turn them off. Or, the delivery method went out of business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

With the DMCA, the hardware companies are expected to not
aid and abet the defeating of DRM. Which means the
transport mechanisms have to get the approval of the
company lawyer. It's not like the hardware engineers
just pick the transport standard over their coffee break.
The lawyer picks it.

Paul

Paul nospam needed.com wrote:

John Doe wrote:

When it is plugged into my computer, it will show up in
Windows' file manager. That includes music and video
(multimedia) directories/folders, so that songs and videos can
be dragged and dropped from my hard drive to the smartphone for
playing. Importing songs to my iPhone 3G is a PITA.

IPhones (at least up through the 3G) weren't meant for PC
users, and it shows.

Apple products were designed with DRM (digital rights
management) in mind.

That's probably useful information to some readers. I realized that.
With the iPhone, maybe they built on their iPod system.

With Microsoft, that's what MTP was for, versus USB Mass Storage
(which allows you to do anything). MTP allows enforcing DRM as
well.

With the DMCA, the hardware companies are expected to not aid
and abet the defeating of DRM. Which means the transport
mechanisms have to get the approval of the company lawyer. It's
not like the hardware engineers just pick the transport standard
over their coffee break. The lawyer picks it.

Anybody know how easy is copying (dragging and dropping) and
playing music on a non-iPhone smartphone nowadays? That's the main
use for my smartphone when I'm out, listening to music.