IP Camera as a viable security camera alternative ?

There is an ongoing discussion thread on IP camera. I saw some good
discussions about security system installers putting IP cameras in
shops. I checked out the web site shown in the discussion thread. It
seems that all the functions needed for a typical shop are all there
(motion detection, video recording, video output to quad processor and
monitor, ...). The video quality also looks good. Based on the price
given on the company's web site, I can put together a system with four
cameras that cost $400 instead of the $1000 or so that I am buying now
for four cameras, video capture card, and software. Also, there is no
wiring issue, no hardware board installation issue. ...

Am I missing something? Is the IP camera replacing the traditional
camera/video capture card approach? Is it better for us to recommend
our customer to go with the IP camera approach?

"Peter" wrote in message
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There is an ongoing discussion thread on IP camera. I saw some good
discussions about security system installers putting IP cameras in
shops. I checked out the web site shown in the discussion thread. It
seems that all the functions needed for a typical shop are all there
(motion detection, video recording, video output to quad processor and
monitor, ...). The video quality also looks good. Based on the price
given on the company's web site, I can put together a system with four
cameras that cost $400 instead of the $1000 or so that I am buying now
for four cameras, video capture card, and software. Also, there is no
wiring issue, no hardware board installation issue. ...

Am I missing something? Is the IP camera replacing the traditional
camera/video capture card approach? Is it better for us to recommend
our customer to go with the IP camera approach?

Consider HomeSentinel. It might do what you want for
a lot less. Try the free, unlimited Basic version at
http://appsoft.vze.com.

-- Bob Day

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"Peter" wrote in message
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There is an ongoing discussion thread on IP camera. I saw some good
discussions about security system installers putting IP cameras in
shops. I checked out the web site shown in the discussion thread. It
seems that all the functions needed for a typical shop are all there
(motion detection, video recording, video output to quad processor and
monitor, ...). The video quality also looks good. Based on the price
given on the company's web site, I can put together a system with four
cameras that cost $400 instead of the $1000 or so that I am buying now
for four cameras, video capture card, and software. Also, there is no
wiring issue, no hardware board installation issue. ...

Am I missing something? Is the IP camera replacing the traditional
camera/video capture card approach? Is it better for us to recommend
our customer to go with the IP camera approach?

Consider HomeSentinel. It might do what you want for
a lot less. Try the free, unlimited Basic version at
http://appsoft.vze.com.

-- Bob Day

Dear Bob,

Please do now use this thread as a way for you to advertise your
product. What you will get is negative advertisement. For eample, your
HomeSentinel product uses Windows Media Encoder which will have a hugh
delay of 8-15 seconds. It is not suitable for security applications.
The Windows Media Encoder will also use close to 100% of the CPU so it
will take up to 20 watts more power which costs money. Also, how are
you going to connect four webcams around the building when the USB
cable can only go up to 12 feet? If you can not solve these problems,
you still need to go back to my video capture card approach. Beside
the camera/video capture card approach that I am using now, the IP
camera is the only viable approach that I can find which does not have
any of the problems your product has.

Peter

The Windows Media Encoder will also use close to 100% of the CPU so it
will take up to 20 watts more power which costs money.

8% CPU utilisation on my PC.....
Have it running all day.

T.

On 9 Jun 2004 00:36:55 -0700, (Peter) wrote:

There is an ongoing discussion thread on IP camera. I saw some good
discussions about security system installers putting IP cameras in
shops. I checked out the web site shown in the discussion thread. It
seems that all the functions needed for a typical shop are all there
(motion detection, video recording, video output to quad processor and
monitor, ...). The video quality also looks good.

But are any of the IP cameras weatherproof? I have yet to see one that is.
My future application (which is why I read these threads) is to monitor my
front doors. One camera can get both, and the back is protected and doesn't
need monitoring. So mine would be a simple single camera application. But
the camera has to be outside.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Don Wiss wrote in
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But are any of the IP cameras weatherproof? I have yet to see one that
is. My future application (which is why I read these threads) is to
monitor my front doors.

Most CCTV cameras (non-bullet types) are not weather proof either and
require a housing.

--
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:27:49 GMT, Lucas Tam wrote:

Don Wiss wrote:

But are any of the IP cameras weatherproof? I have yet to see one that
is. My future application (which is why I read these threads) is to
monitor my front doors.

Most CCTV cameras (non-bullet types) are not weather proof either and
require a housing.

Okay. Do you know of any housings for an IP camera? Unlike Photon my
application is on the side of a building and will get hit directly by the
weather. And it will be on the front, so it must look decent.

What is needed is a weatherproof bullet type IP camera.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Don Wiss wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:27:49 GMT, Lucas Tam wrote:


Don Wiss wrote:


But are any of the IP cameras weatherproof? I have yet to see one that
is. My future application (which is why I read these threads) is to
monitor my front doors.

Most CCTV cameras (non-bullet types) are not weather proof either and
require a housing.


Okay. Do you know of any housings for an IP camera? Unlike Photon my
application is on the side of a building and will get hit directly by the
weather. And it will be on the front, so it must look decent.

What is needed is a weatherproof bullet type IP camera.

Lots of NEMA enclosured might to it. And look ok.

Or you do the dome thing if you don't want people to know where you're
aiming.

"Don Wiss" wrote in message
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On 9 Jun 2004 00:36:55 -0700, (Peter) wrote:

There is an ongoing discussion thread on IP camera. I saw some good
discussions about security system installers putting IP cameras in
shops. I checked out the web site shown in the discussion thread. It
seems that all the functions needed for a typical shop are all there
(motion detection, video recording, video output to quad processor and
monitor, ...). The video quality also looks good.

But are any of the IP cameras weatherproof? I have yet to see one that is.
My future application (which is why I read these threads) is to monitor my
front doors. One camera can get both, and the back is protected and
doesn't
need monitoring. So mine would be a simple single camera application. But
the camera has to be outside.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

http://www.toshiba.com/taisisd/netcam/index.htm

Check these out.. Little pricey but...

You can see a demo here at
www.bit-man.com

"Don Wiss" wrote in message
But are any of the IP cameras weatherproof? I have yet to see one that is.

I bought a $30 indoor camera on a close-out sale and installed it high on
the gable end of the garage over the big door. I intended to slip a jar of
some kind over it to keep the rain and snow off, but the camera has a bunch
of IR LEDs built in for illumination, and they reflected badly off the jar.
Thinking this was a short term project, I simply taped a piece of plastic
food wrap tightly around the camera. It has been through two years of heat
and cold, rain and snow, and has never missed a beat.