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Windows 7 Memory Question
On 12/21/2010 4:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote:
"Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/21/2010 4:14 PM, Von Fourche wrote: "Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/20/2010 7:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: A relative of mine needs a new tower PC and some other relatives are chipping in to buy her a low priced one. We found an E Machine. It comes with Windows 7. I'm on XP and know nothing of anything beyond Windows 7. I know my Dell is rock solid. It comes with an AMD Sempron 145 2.8GHz processor and 2GB of RAM. Will my relative get decent performance from this kind of machine? All she does is surf the net, pay bills, and do email, and maybe watch video on netflix. Her son does gaming on his x-box along with netflix. This PC tower is going for around $295 at Wal Mart. Thanks $298 walmart emachines EL1352G-01w with amd sempron 145 (passmark 916), 2gb (1gb in each of two available slots), 500gb 7200rpm sata, 16x dvdrw, geforce 6150se graphics (g3dmark 53), media card reader, gigabit ethernet, windows 7 home premium 64, 1 year warranty (unclear if it is on site). http://www.walmart.com/ip/eMachines-...G-01w/15062989 $349 dell inspiron 570 (shipped free) with amd anthlon x2 240 (passmark 1591), 3gb (1gb in three of four available slots), 500gb 7200rpm sata, 16x dvdrw, ati hd4200 graphics (g3dmark 147)), media card reader, gigabit ethernet, windows 7 home premium 64, 1 year on site warranty http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-57...d=inspiron-570 the $350 dell is their lowest cost machine and it is a good entry level configuration. but there is no mistaking that $350 is both $50 and 16% more than $300. what it buys you is a 50% faster processor, a 300% faster video card, and little more memory which helps the overall How bad is the Sempron compared to the athlon? I've not dealt with those cheaper processors before. Whenever I get a computer I make sure it has a good processor. as previously stated, the anthlon is 50% fater than the sempron in these particluar machines. plus the video card is 300% faster in the $350 machine. the slow machine will work, but it doesn't offer the as much potential in a long usable life. what machine are you used to using? what model and processor? in order for any comparison to be meaningful you must have a reference. Heck, I don't know anymore. It's a Dell. It's rock solid and does for me. I don't play games on it though. I'm looking at the Device Manager and see Intel Pentium 4 3.000Ghz. Manufacture date tag on my computer is 12/2005. Wow. I had no idea my computer is five years old. a p4 3ghz has a passmark rating of 491. the sempron 145 has a passmark of 916, and the anthlon ii x2 24o has a passmark of 1591. and a mid-range machine today with something like an i5 680 would have a passmark of 4,223 and high performance machines would weigh in with passmarks 6,000 to 9,000 range. these numbers represent a very rough way to compare the performance between different machines. the bottom line is that the sempron is totally functional, but the anthlon system mentioned along with the much better video card and additional memory sockets makes it a much better value. but $50 is $50 and if that means the difference between their being food on the table or not then who cares how fast the computer is... |
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Windows 7 Memory Question
"Christopher Muto" wrote in message t... On 12/21/2010 4:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: "Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/21/2010 4:14 PM, Von Fourche wrote: "Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/20/2010 7:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: A relative of mine needs a new tower PC and some other relatives are chipping in to buy her a low priced one. We found an E Machine. It comes with Windows 7. I'm on XP and know nothing of anything beyond Windows 7. I know my Dell is rock solid. It comes with an AMD Sempron 145 2.8GHz processor and 2GB of RAM. Will my relative get decent performance from this kind of machine? All she does is surf the net, pay bills, and do email, and maybe watch video on netflix. Her son does gaming on his x-box along with netflix. This PC tower is going for around $295 at Wal Mart. Thanks $298 walmart emachines EL1352G-01w with amd sempron 145 (passmark 916), 2gb (1gb in each of two available slots), 500gb 7200rpm sata, 16x dvdrw, geforce 6150se graphics (g3dmark 53), media card reader, gigabit ethernet, windows 7 home premium 64, 1 year warranty (unclear if it is on site). http://www.walmart.com/ip/eMachines-...G-01w/15062989 $349 dell inspiron 570 (shipped free) with amd anthlon x2 240 (passmark 1591), 3gb (1gb in three of four available slots), 500gb 7200rpm sata, 16x dvdrw, ati hd4200 graphics (g3dmark 147)), media card reader, gigabit ethernet, windows 7 home premium 64, 1 year on site warranty http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-57...d=inspiron-570 the $350 dell is their lowest cost machine and it is a good entry level configuration. but there is no mistaking that $350 is both $50 and 16% more than $300. what it buys you is a 50% faster processor, a 300% faster video card, and little more memory which helps the overall How bad is the Sempron compared to the athlon? I've not dealt with those cheaper processors before. Whenever I get a computer I make sure it has a good processor. as previously stated, the anthlon is 50% fater than the sempron in these particluar machines. plus the video card is 300% faster in the $350 machine. the slow machine will work, but it doesn't offer the as much potential in a long usable life. what machine are you used to using? what model and processor? in order for any comparison to be meaningful you must have a reference. Heck, I don't know anymore. It's a Dell. It's rock solid and does for me. I don't play games on it though. I'm looking at the Device Manager and see Intel Pentium 4 3.000Ghz. Manufacture date tag on my computer is 12/2005. Wow. I had no idea my computer is five years old. a p4 3ghz has a passmark rating of 491. the sempron 145 has a passmark of 916, and the anthlon ii x2 24o has a passmark of 1591. and a mid-range machine today with something like an i5 680 would have a passmark of 4,223 and high performance machines would weigh in with passmarks 6,000 to 9,000 range. these numbers represent a very rough way to compare the performance between different machines. Wow. My processor is old now. I think my relative can live with the sempron. |
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Windows 7 Memory Question
On 12/21/2010 6:28 PM, Von Fourche wrote:
"Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/21/2010 4:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: "Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/21/2010 4:14 PM, Von Fourche wrote: "Christopher wrote in message t... On 12/20/2010 7:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: A relative of mine needs a new tower PC and some other relatives are chipping in to buy her a low priced one. We found an E Machine. It comes with Windows 7. I'm on XP and know nothing of anything beyond Windows 7. I know my Dell is rock solid. It comes with an AMD Sempron 145 2.8GHz processor and 2GB of RAM. Will my relative get decent performance from this kind of machine? All she does is surf the net, pay bills, and do email, and maybe watch video on netflix. Her son does gaming on his x-box along with netflix. This PC tower is going for around $295 at Wal Mart. Thanks $298 walmart emachines EL1352G-01w with amd sempron 145 (passmark 916), 2gb (1gb in each of two available slots), 500gb 7200rpm sata, 16x dvdrw, geforce 6150se graphics (g3dmark 53), media card reader, gigabit ethernet, windows 7 home premium 64, 1 year warranty (unclear if it is on site). http://www.walmart.com/ip/eMachines-...G-01w/15062989 $349 dell inspiron 570 (shipped free) with amd anthlon x2 240 (passmark 1591), 3gb (1gb in three of four available slots), 500gb 7200rpm sata, 16x dvdrw, ati hd4200 graphics (g3dmark 147)), media card reader, gigabit ethernet, windows 7 home premium 64, 1 year on site warranty http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-57...d=inspiron-570 the $350 dell is their lowest cost machine and it is a good entry level configuration. but there is no mistaking that $350 is both $50 and 16% more than $300. what it buys you is a 50% faster processor, a 300% faster video card, and little more memory which helps the overall How bad is the Sempron compared to the athlon? I've not dealt with those cheaper processors before. Whenever I get a computer I make sure it has a good processor. as previously stated, the anthlon is 50% fater than the sempron in these particluar machines. plus the video card is 300% faster in the $350 machine. the slow machine will work, but it doesn't offer the as much potential in a long usable life. what machine are you used to using? what model and processor? in order for any comparison to be meaningful you must have a reference. Heck, I don't know anymore. It's a Dell. It's rock solid and does for me. I don't play games on it though. I'm looking at the Device Manager and see Intel Pentium 4 3.000Ghz. Manufacture date tag on my computer is 12/2005. Wow. I had no idea my computer is five years old. a p4 3ghz has a passmark rating of 491. the sempron 145 has a passmark of 916, and the anthlon ii x2 24o has a passmark of 1591. and a mid-range machine today with something like an i5 680 would have a passmark of 4,223 and high performance machines would weigh in with passmarks 6,000 to 9,000 range. these numbers represent a very rough way to compare the performance between different machines. Wow. My processor is old now. I think my relative can live with the sempron. i'll just assume that you meant "thank you." plonk. |
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Windows 7 Memory Question
"Christopher Muto" wrote in message t... On 12/21/2010 6:28 PM, Von Fourche wrote: "Christopher wrote in message i'll just assume that you meant "thank you." plonk. We got the $300 e-machine. At that price it's just a throw away computer, like a microwave. I just wanted to make sure it was not as slow as a turtle. It's kind of crazy. She's getting a $375 iTouch 4 which I don't think she wants or will use. But needed a new computer so it can handle itunes and all that. So she's also getting this new emachines computer. The iTouch costs more than the e-machines. lol. Probably more fun too. |
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Windows 7 Memory Question
On 12/21/2010 1:24 AM, Von Fourche wrote:
"Ben wrote in message ... On 12/20/2010 7:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: A relative of mine needs a new tower PC and some other relatives are chipping in to buy her a low priced one. We found I am less than thrilled with eMachines, which often use a crappy power supply (same as HP Pavilions and Compaq Presarios). When the power supply goes, it takes the motherboard with it, because it does not have protective circuitry built in. The world is littered with dead eMachines systems. I have tossed out a number of perfectly good eMachines cases, after stripping the boards for the local electronic recycler. A shame, too. The cases are generally well made out of sturdy sheet metal without sharp edges to slice you up... Ben Myers She currently has an old Dell with XP on it. Whenever it screws up I do a complete factory restore and it seems to run ok for a few days but then screws up again. I wonder if it has too little ram. I will do a factory restore and a week later they can't use Explorer to search the net. They have to use Chrome. Then the router which is hooked up to the computer and xbox screws up - only one is able to be used at a time. Either the computer can be plugged in and online or the xbox can be plugged in and online. There are ports for both the computer and xbox, it's a Linksys. But for some reason only one can be used. The old Dell may also have an old and failing hard drive. This is one possible explanation for a system going south regularly. Or gremlins entering from the outside world... Ben Myers |
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Windows 7 Memory Question (slightly OFF-TOPIC)
"Ben Myers" wrote in message ... On 12/20/2010 7:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: A relative of mine needs a new tower PC and some other relatives are chipping in to buy her a low priced one. We found an E Machine. It comes with Windows 7. I'm on XP and know nothing of anything beyond Windows 7. I know my Dell is rock solid. It comes with an AMD Sempron 145 2.8GHz processor and 2GB of RAM. Will my relative get decent performance from this kind of machine? All she does is surf the net, pay bills, and do email, and maybe watch video on netflix. Her son does gaming on his x-box along with netflix. This PC tower is going for around $295 at Wal Mart. Thanks From the usage I have had so far, 2GB should be fine for normal run-of-the-mill use as you described. Only the Netflix video may tax the memory. Not sure. I do not use Netflix. I am less than thrilled with eMachines, which often use a crappy power supply (same as HP Pavilions and Compaq Presarios). When the power supply goes, it takes the motherboard with it, because it does not have protective circuitry built in. The world is littered with dead eMachines systems. I have tossed out a number of perfectly good eMachines cases, after stripping the boards for the local electronic recycler. A shame, too. The cases are generally well made out of sturdy sheet metal without sharp edges to slice you up... Ben Myers __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5728 (20101223) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Ben, I have heard of this power supply/motherboard issue with eMachines. I currently own 3 eMachines; a T3306 & 2 T5243's. The worst problem I have had was the DVD burner self-destructed after a year on the T3306 which is almost 5 years old now. However, I have just purchased a docking station for my daughter's Dell laptop & took over her T5243 (you don't want to know the age of the Dell XPS it is replacing). It was dual-booting Vista & 7 but I downgraded to XP & 7. Now I am concerned about the power supply. Is it a standard PSU? Would a preemptive replacement with a new PSU prevent any issues? Also, on an off-topic note, I contacted eMachine by e-mail to ask what the fastest processor this motherboard would support (MCP61PM-AM). They wanted pay-per-call tech support to call me the answer. It currently has an AMD Athlon 4000+ (2.1Ghz). I have figured out that this is a Brisbane core running it at 65W. I think the 5600+ is the fastest at 65W but there are 95W processors running up to 6000+. Would you know what the fastest processor would be that would run natively on this board? Any help appreciated.....Thanks. Rich __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5728 (20101223) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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Windows 7 Memory Question (slightly OFF-TOPIC)
On 12/23/2010 6:44 PM, Rich wrote:
"Ben Myers" wrote in message ... On 12/20/2010 7:59 PM, Von Fourche wrote: A relative of mine needs a new tower PC and some other relatives are chipping in to buy her a low priced one. We found an E Machine. It comes with Windows 7. I'm on XP and know nothing of anything beyond Windows 7. I know my Dell is rock solid. It comes with an AMD Sempron 145 2.8GHz processor and 2GB of RAM. Will my relative get decent performance from this kind of machine? All she does is surf the net, pay bills, and do email, and maybe watch video on netflix. Her son does gaming on his x-box along with netflix. This PC tower is going for around $295 at Wal Mart. Thanks From the usage I have had so far, 2GB should be fine for normal run-of-the-mill use as you described. Only the Netflix video may tax the memory. Not sure. I do not use Netflix. I am less than thrilled with eMachines, which often use a crappy power supply (same as HP Pavilions and Compaq Presarios). When the power supply goes, it takes the motherboard with it, because it does not have protective circuitry built in. The world is littered with dead eMachines systems. I have tossed out a number of perfectly good eMachines cases, after stripping the boards for the local electronic recycler. A shame, too. The cases are generally well made out of sturdy sheet metal without sharp edges to slice you up... Ben Myers __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5728 (20101223) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Ben, I have heard of this power supply/motherboard issue with eMachines. I currently own 3 eMachines; a T3306 & 2 T5243's. The worst problem I have had was the DVD burner self-destructed after a year on the T3306 which is almost 5 years old now. However, I have just purchased a docking station for my daughter's Dell laptop & took over her T5243 (you don't want to know the age of the Dell XPS it is replacing). It was dual-booting Vista & 7 but I downgraded to XP & 7. Now I am concerned about the power supply. Is it a standard PSU? Would a preemptive replacement with a new PSU prevent any issues? Also, on an off-topic note, I contacted eMachine by e-mail to ask what the fastest processor this motherboard would support (MCP61PM-AM). They wanted pay-per-call tech support to call me the answer. It currently has an AMD Athlon 4000+ (2.1Ghz). I have figured out that this is a Brisbane core running it at 65W. I think the 5600+ is the fastest at 65W but there are 95W processors running up to 6000+. Would you know what the fastest processor would be that would run natively on this board? Any help appreciated.....Thanks. Rich __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5728 (20101223) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com The T5243 probably uses a standard-sized ATX12v power supply, but I cannot say for sure. All of the eMachines I have seen since their move to the black case with silver front were standard microATX cases. Either measure the dimensions of the power supply or take a photo of the back of the case and send it to me off-line. The hole pattern for the mounting screws is important, too. eMachines along with HP/Compaq have used the trashy Bestec tower supplies known for taking out motherboards when they failed. I have scrapped dozens of eMachines boxes with perfectly good cases, bad power supplies and fried motherboards. For a long time, there was a hot and expensive market for replacement eMachines motherboards. Under the new Acer ownership, eMachines computers may have better power supplies. I do not know for sure, because the last eMachines box I handled was either a pre-LGA775 P4 or an older AMD box. I would be curious to know the brand of power supply in each of your eMachines computers. I have miniscule expertise with AMD CPUs, so I can't advise as to which CPU upgrade would work. Beyond the CPU wattage are considerations of BIOS support for various CPU speeds. Also note that CPU wattage consumption generally increases as CPU clock speed increases. I am skeptical that all AMD Brisbanes consume 65w. But, again, I have not really read any of the specs on AMD CPUs. eMachines is like any other compnay wanting to charge for tech support these days, especially when the topic is CPU upgrades, something in which they cannot make any money. Your best bet would be to determine the make/model of the T5243 motherboard and to obtain detailed motherboard specs for the same or similar motherboards from the board manufacturer. For the most part, OEM boards for eMachines and HP/Compaq are "specials", not standard off the shelf generic models. The special OEM boards are often crippled versions of standard boards. The exception is when Intel supplies the board, and it is often a standard model... Ben Myers |
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Windows 7 Memory Question (slightly OFF-TOPIC)
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Ben, I have heard of this power supply/motherboard issue with eMachines. I currently own 3 eMachines; a T3306 & 2 T5243's. The worst problem I have had was the DVD burner self-destructed after a year on the T3306 which is almost 5 years old now. However, I have just purchased a docking station for my daughter's Dell laptop & took over her T5243 (you don't want to know the age of the Dell XPS it is replacing). It was dual-booting Vista & 7 but I downgraded to XP & 7. Now I am concerned about the power supply. Is it a standard PSU? Would a preemptive replacement with a new PSU prevent any issues? Also, on an off-topic note, I contacted eMachine by e-mail to ask what the fastest processor this motherboard would support (MCP61PM-AM). They wanted pay-per-call tech support to call me the answer. It currently has an AMD Athlon 4000+ (2.1Ghz). I have figured out that this is a Brisbane core running it at 65W. I think the 5600+ is the fastest at 65W but there are 95W processors running up to 6000+. Would you know what the fastest processor would be that would run natively on this board? Any help appreciated.....Thanks. Rich I have also seen many eMachines with fried motherboards after power supply failures. The Bestec 250W PSU is the one to especially watch out for (label will show Bestec ATX-250-12E). If yours is that model and you want to keep the machine for a few more years, a preemptive replacement is well worth considering. I have done this for a few customers. I'm leery or the Bestec brand because of this, but have seen reports that the later modes (like the 350W) have proper overload protection., See http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...print&reid=154 for some interesting info. Particularly near the end "5VSB will kill your mainboard when (not if) the caps fail " |
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Windows 7 Memory Question (slightly OFF-TOPIC)
"Ben Myers" shared:
[........] For the most part, OEM boards for eMachines and HP/Compaq are "specials", not standard off the shelf generic models. The special OEM boards are often crippled versions of standard boards. The exception is when Intel supplies the board, and it is often a standard model... Ben Myers yikes! I would guess, then, that the "crippling" drops the price that is charged to the OEM for the "special" motherboard. From what you've seen, Ben, does this apply to Dell's motherboards as well? *TimDaniels* |
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Windows 7 Memory Question (slightly OFF-TOPIC)
On 12/24/2010 1:34 PM, Timothy Daniels wrote:
"Ben Myers" shared: [........] For the most part, OEM boards for eMachines and HP/Compaq are "specials", not standard off the shelf generic models. The special OEM boards are often crippled versions of standard boards. The exception is when Intel supplies the board, and it is often a standard model... Ben Myers yikes! I would guess, then, that the "crippling" drops the price that is charged to the OEM for the "special" motherboard. From what you've seen, Ben, does this apply to Dell's motherboards as well? *TimDaniels* With emachines, HPaq and others, the "crippled" OEM models lack many of the BIOS features found in the generic boxed motherboards. Overclocking, in particular, is not possible. Sometimes specific chips are omitted from the motherboards, or less functional chips substituted, e.g. 10/100 Ethernet instead of gigabit Ethernet. With its motherboards-mounted-on-a-tray found in the Socket 478 and early LGA775 systems, the Dell boards were custom by definition, to fit the tray. However, they give every indication of being full-featured, except for the BIOS. The older P4 and early LGA775 systems in the Mitac microATX chassis all have a standard form factor, somewhat funky physical connectors and they are all full-featured compared to similar mostly Intel-branded models. The newer BTX motherboard systems all seem to have standard off-the-shelf motherboards. And so do the newer Vostro, Inspiron, and Optiplex designs. Dell, too, does not want people to overclock its systems. After all, overclocking voids any warranty on the CPU and may well mess up the system in other ways. My summary, and this is no Dellbot talking, is that "crippled" is a good term to apply to Acer-eGateMachines and HPaq motherboards, but not to Dells. Many of the Gateway-branded P4 systems, up until Acer bought them out, used Intel-branded motherboards and were generally of very good quality. I have not had hands on with any recent post-Acer Gateway boxes, but I can guess that if Acer is still manufacturing its own (decent quality once upon a time) motherboards, that's what ends up in Gateways now. But I have not seen an Acer branded motherboard in some time... Ben |
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