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Is AMD doing well again?
I built my current computer in the beginning of 2008. I went to New Egg today and I was very impressed with their new Phenom II cpus. They have pretty much every power feature you could want. So have they restored their reputation with gamers? |
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Is AMD doing well again?
Rich Billionaire wrote:
I built my current computer in the beginning of 2008. I went to New Egg today and I was very impressed with their new Phenom II cpus. They have pretty much every power feature you could want. So have they restored their reputation with gamers? They seem to be |
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Is AMD doing well again?
I built my current computer in the beginning of 2008.
I went to New Egg today and I was very impressed with their new Phenom II cpus. They have pretty much every power feature you could want. So have they restored their reputation with gamers? It's clear that intel cpus, especially the latest i7 or whichever cores, are dramatically faster than any amd offering. That being said, amd's newer cpus are 'fast enough' for most people -- and most gamers -- fast enough that other factors like disgust at intel's predatory marketing practices, nostalgia or inertia, will keep people buying amd. This includes me. rms |
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Is AMD doing well again?
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:46:53 -0600, rms wrote:
I built my current computer in the beginning of 2008. I went to New Egg today and I was very impressed with their new Phenom II cpus. They have pretty much every power feature you could want. So have they restored their reputation with gamers? It's clear that intel cpus, especially the latest i7 or whichever cores, are dramatically faster than any amd offering. That being said, amd's newer cpus are 'fast enough' for most people -- and most gamers -- fast enough that other factors like disgust at intel's predatory marketing practices, nostalgia or inertia, will keep people buying amd. This includes me. rms I wouldn't say they are dramatically faster but they are dramatically more expensive,:-) Most people these days need nothing more than a $50 AMD cpu. Spending hundreds or even a thousand more for some Intel cpu's is just a waste of money. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Is AMD doing well again?
I agree with you
"Wes Newell" wrote in message ... On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:46:53 -0600, rms wrote: I built my current computer in the beginning of 2008. I went to New Egg today and I was very impressed with their new Phenom II cpus. They have pretty much every power feature you could want. So have they restored their reputation with gamers? It's clear that intel cpus, especially the latest i7 or whichever cores, are dramatically faster than any amd offering. That being said, amd's newer cpus are 'fast enough' for most people -- and most gamers -- fast enough that other factors like disgust at intel's predatory marketing practices, nostalgia or inertia, will keep people buying amd. This includes me. rms I wouldn't say they are dramatically faster but they are dramatically more expensive,:-) Most people these days need nothing more than a $50 AMD cpu. Spending hundreds or even a thousand more for some Intel cpu's is just a waste of money. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Is AMD doing well again?
"Sexy one" writes:
Most people these days need nothing more than a $50 AMD cpu. Spending hundreds or even a thousand more for some Intel cpu's is just a waste of money. I agree with you Me too. I've got an Intel core2 machine at work, and a phenom I machine at home, and I've benchmarked my most important number-crunching app. Normalizing the clock speeds, a single core of the core2 is maybe 5-10% faster clock-for-clock, for pure cpu-crunching using this app (much of that may be due to the cache size; this core2 has an _enormous_ L2 cache). The core2 _also_ has a faster clock, so overall it's pretty fast (the phenom has double the number of cores though, so which is better depends on the situation). However -- for typical usage (running web browsers, editors, etc), the phenom _system_ feels far speedier and more responsive. Chiefly, I think this is because it has more memory, and is much faster at I/O (I'm not entirely sure why; the hard disks are from the same manufacturer, and of the same generation, but the difference is quite amazing). The core2 system, despite the speedy little cpu, often feels like a bit of a dog, really. Small differences in cpu speed/efficiency matters to some people, but in most cases, it's just one factor among many to consider when buying a system. -Miles -- We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -Oscar Wilde |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:46:53 -0600, rms wrote:
I built my current computer in the beginning of 2008. I went to New Egg today and I was very impressed with their new Phenom II cpus. They have pretty much every power feature you could want. So have they restored their reputation with gamers? It's clear that intel cpus, especially the latest i7 or whichever cores, are dramatically faster than any amd offering. That being said, amd's newer cpus are 'fast enough' for most people -- and most gamers -- fast enough that other factors like disgust at intel's predatory marketing practices, nostalgia or inertia, will keep people buying amd. This includes me. I agree. I have been using AMD since the K6 days. It has always offered a better value for me than Intel solutions. I'm not an overclocker or modder and don't care about having the absolute fastest system available. I just want a well-priced, well-performing, and reliable system. One of the things that Intel's been doing recently, which really bugs me, is dividing up certain new features simply for market segmentation purposes: * Want hardware virtualization? I do so I can run Windows efficiently under Linux. Some Intel CPUs have it and some don't (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_vt- x#Intel_Virtualization_Technology_for_x86_.28Intel _VT-x.29), even when they're based on the same core... you have to pay more to get this relatively straightforward feature. * Want x86_64? I run Linux and have 5gb of RAM. Some Intel CPUs do it, some don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ X86_64#Intel_64_Implementations). Notably, none of the Atom N-series CPUs support x86_64 (the ones used in netbooks). * Want DVI or HDMI output on a low-power Atom system? Tough luck! As far as I can tell, all of the Atom chipsets only have VGA output, because Intel doesn't want to cut into its pricier offerings. I would like to build a compact, low-power media center. Atom seems to fit the bill since you can get a motherboard, processor, and case for $100 these days. But none of them have DVI or HDMI output. (I would love to be proved wrong on this!) To be fair to Intel... I *do* really appreciate the forward-thinking stance they've adopted in terms of making open-source drivers available for their graphics adapters. Open-source Linux drivers for Intel graphics are way ahead of ATI and especially NVidia as a result. However, AMD has been doing the right thing recently and releasing docs for their ATI GPUs, so ATI drivers are catching up fast. Dan |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:18:26 +0000, Dan Lenski wrote:
* Want DVI or HDMI output on a low-power Atom system? Tough luck! As far as I can tell, all of the Atom chipsets only have VGA output, because Intel doesn't want to cut into its pricier offerings. I would like to build a compact, low-power media center. Atom seems to fit the bill since you can get a motherboard, processor, and case for $100 these days. But none of them have DVI or HDMI output. (I would love to be proved wrong on this!) There are lots of Atom systems with HDMI output. They just don't use the Intel chipset. The Nvidia ION chipset for one. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:17:13 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:18:26 +0000, Dan Lenski wrote: * Want DVI or HDMI output on a low-power Atom system? Tough luck! As far as I can tell, all of the Atom chipsets only have VGA output, because Intel doesn't want to cut into its pricier offerings. I would like to build a compact, low-power media center. Atom seems to fit the bill since you can get a motherboard, processor, and case for $100 these days. But none of them have DVI or HDMI output. (I would love to be proved wrong on this!) There are lots of Atom systems with HDMI output. They just don't use the Intel chipset. The Nvidia ION chipset for one. Yeah, since writing that I found out about the Nvidia Ion chipset, which is pretty new. There are a bunch of good deals on Zotac boards with this chipset, apparently (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php? t=1504403). The problem is that NVidia has the worst open-source driver support of the major GPU makers. And with 2D/3D graphics improving so rapidly for ATI and Intel GPUs, I'm reluctant to go with NVidia. It turns out that there *are* a few Atom motherboards with the Intel chipset and DVI output! Here's one, rather pricey at around $200: http:// http://www.jetway.com.tw/jp/IPC_Boar...name=NF94-270- LF And some mo http://www.google.com/products?q=intel+945gse+atom+dvi +motherboard&aq=f For some reason, *all* of these use the N-series Atoms rather than the better-spec'ed single-core 230 and dual-core 330. So, what's going on here? I've heard it claimed and then refuted that Intel won't unbundle the Atom from the 945 chipset: http:// http://www.internetnews.com/hardware...nies+Squeezing +nVidia+Out+From+Atom.htm . Is it possible that Intel leans hard on board makers not to provide DVI outputs for Atom boards??? Any other news on this front that I haven't caught up on? Dan |
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