P2 LX and GF4Ti

I have rediscovered my old Pentium II 333MHz with an LX mobo and I want to
use it for the kids. some of their games seem to run very slowly with its
GF2 MX card but my GF4 wont even boot up when I tried it. is there any way
in which I can make an LX board work with this card.
the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

R

In article ,
(RJAG) wrote:

the gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

I imagine it's got more to do with the type of AGP slot rather
than the CPU. Besides, the GF2's probably a perfect match for
that setup. I doubt a faster graphics card would help much with
only 333MHz to play with.

Andrew McP

"RJAG" wrote in message...
I have rediscovered my old Pentium II 333MHz with an LX mobo and I
want to use it for the kids. some of their games seem to run very slowly
with its GF2 MX card

What do you expect? It's a 333MHz CPU, with 66MHz memory. It won't *just* be
the graphics card, the processor and memory bus will also be severe
bottlenecks. Even if you could boot with the faster graphics card, I doubt
you would notice any significant difference in the gaming performance.

but my GF4 wont even boot up when I tried it. is there any way in which I
can make an LX board work with this card.

Probably not.

the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

What does it say about AGP slot requirements? If the card requires an AGP
2.0 compatible port, you're out of luck, as the board won't support the
necessary signalling voltages. As has been said above, the GF2 is probably
about the sweet spot for the rest of your hardware. If they want to play
their games faster, you'll need to shell out on some more hardware.
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Thanks. I guess it means they're limited unless they can get at my computer
in which case nothings safe any more.

R

Andrew MacPherson wrote:
In article ,
(RJAG) wrote:


the gf4 box does say that a P III is required.


I imagine it's got more to do with the type of AGP slot rather
than the CPU. Besides, the GF2's probably a perfect match for
that setup. I doubt a faster graphics card would help much with
only 333MHz to play with.

Agreed - I have several P2B systems running Tualerons @ 1.5Ghz (150Mhz
FSB) with GF2 and GF4 graphics cards. The GF4 systems score somewhat
higher on 3D benchmarks, but there's little or no subjective improvement.

I wouldn't expect to measure any significant difference between GF2 and
GF4 on a 333/66Mhz system.

P2B

RJAG wrote:

I have rediscovered my old Pentium II 333MHz with an LX mobo and I want to
use it for the kids. some of their games seem to run very slowly with its
GF2 MX card but my GF4 wont even boot up when I tried it. is there any way
in which I can make an LX board work with this card.
the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

R



The GF4 is certainly 4x minimum, maybe 8X, and the LX AGP will be 2x at
best. It's incompatible with the AGP slot.

The processor is too slow to use it effectively anyway even if it worked.

The best thing is to stick with older games that fit the capabilities of
the system (P-300 GF2)

David Maynard wrote:

RJAG wrote:

I have rediscovered my old Pentium II 333MHz with an LX mobo and I
want to use it for the kids. some of their games seem to run very
slowly with its GF2 MX card but my GF4 wont even boot up when I tried
it. is there any way in which I can make an LX board work with this
card.
the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

R


The GF4 is certainly 4x minimum, maybe 8X, and the LX AGP will be 2x at
best. It's incompatible with the AGP slot.

I have an Asus GF4 that works in an LX AGP slot. The GF4 box says it
supports AGP 1x 2x 4x - but perhaps AGP support varies by manufacturer?

The processor is too slow to use it effectively anyway even if it worked.

The best thing is to stick with older games that fit the capabilities of
the system (P-300 GF2)

P2B wrote:



David Maynard wrote:

RJAG wrote:

I have rediscovered my old Pentium II 333MHz with an LX mobo and I
want to use it for the kids. some of their games seem to run very
slowly with its GF2 MX card but my GF4 wont even boot up when I tried
it. is there any way in which I can make an LX board work with this
card.
the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

R


The GF4 is certainly 4x minimum, maybe 8X, and the LX AGP will be 2x
at best. It's incompatible with the AGP slot.


I have an Asus GF4 that works in an LX AGP slot. The GF4 box says it
supports AGP 1x 2x 4x - but perhaps AGP support varies by manufacturer?

Right. A 4x board might have backward compatibility to 2x but it depends on
the manufacturer. It isn't 'required' (but rather common for 4x). There is
even a backward path for 8x but it is rather rare for 8x boards to bother
going all the way back to 2x.

I wasn't real clear. What I meant was the symptom indicated *his* board was
incompatible.

The processor is too slow to use it effectively anyway even if it worked.

The best thing is to stick with older games that fit the capabilities
of the system (P-300 GF2)

"David Maynard" kirjoitti viestissä
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P2B wrote:



David Maynard wrote:

RJAG wrote:

I have rediscovered my old Pentium II 333MHz with an LX mobo and I
want to use it for the kids. some of their games seem to run very
slowly with its GF2 MX card but my GF4 wont even boot up when I tried
it. is there any way in which I can make an LX board work with this
card.
the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

R


The GF4 is certainly 4x minimum, maybe 8X, and the LX AGP will be 2x
at best. It's incompatible with the AGP slot.


I have an Asus GF4 that works in an LX AGP slot. The GF4 box says it
supports AGP 1x 2x 4x - but perhaps AGP support varies by manufacturer?

Right. A 4x board might have backward compatibility to 2x but it depends
on
the manufacturer. It isn't 'required' (but rather common for 4x). There is
even a backward path for 8x but it is rather rare for 8x boards to bother
going all the way back to 2x.

I wasn't real clear. What I meant was the symptom indicated *his* board
was
incompatible.


Yeah, maybe incompatible but perhaps it's the voltage. I suspect the GF4
won't get enough power thru the LX AGP, IIRC there were some problems with
LX chipset mobos and even the older 3D cards in those times.


The processor is too slow to use it effectively anyway even if it
worked.

The best thing is to stick with older games that fit the capabilities
of the system (P-300 GF2)

Sounds good to me, too. There is a vague possibility that the mobo can
overclock the FSB and by doing that it might be possible to seat in a more
powerful CPU but it'd be easier to find a "new" old system and use it
instead. And probably cheaper, too.

Even when overclocked the LX chipset just cannot support a CPU which would
leave the vidcard as the bottleneck. The original poster didn't mention the
amount of memory in the system, maybe he'd get better along if he added
some?

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P2B wrote:



David Maynard wrote:


RJAG wrote:


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the box gf4 box does say that a P III is required.

R


The GF4 is certainly 4x minimum, maybe 8X, and the LX AGP will be 2x
at best. It's incompatible with the AGP slot.


I have an Asus GF4 that works in an LX AGP slot. The GF4 box says it
supports AGP 1x 2x 4x - but perhaps AGP support varies by manufacturer=
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overclock the FSB and by doing that it might be possible to seat in a m=
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instead. And probably cheaper, too.

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