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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
I'm thinking of buying one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
"Matt" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? Ummmm...don't pay too much attention to user reviews. End users make a lot of mistakes in the research phase of a build which they tend to blame on the motherboard, even if there's nothing wrong with the motherboard. That is why you have so many "open box" mainboards. OTOH, you are REALLY limiting yourself by insisting that a motherboard have serial and parallel ports. What next...a math coprocessor slot, perhaps? You probably don't need 16GB of RAM capacity, either. If you use that much RAM, what the heck are you running, and why are you even considering a mainboard with only ONE CPU slot? If you keep in mind that you can always add serial/parallel ports very cheaply, that opens up some good possibilities. For the same price, you can get better quality he http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128359 -Dave |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
Matt wrote:
I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? If the motherboard does not have good reviews in the regular product section, why would you touch it with a barge pole ? That is why those customer reviews are so valuable - you're using someone else's expensive experiment, to prevent you from making the same mistake. Sure, a miracle might happen, and all the problems could be fixed with some future BIOS update. But, maybe a competitor's board works right now... Paul |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
Dave wrote:
OTOH, you are REALLY limiting yourself by insisting that a motherboard have serial and parallel ports. What next...a math coprocessor slot, perhaps? Not exactly insisting. If it has a lot of legacy PCI slots, I can add in a serial/parallel board. You probably don't need 16GB of RAM capacity, either. Really, 256K ought to be enough for anybody ... Don't you find it a little ridiculous when 95% of the motherboards in use can be maxed out with $50 worth of RAM? I expect to use the board for five years or more. We are not going to be running on 32 bits five years from now. Some people are now building programs that use 16GB and more. Software is the only thing holding us back ... hmmm ... now how did that happen? If you use that much RAM, what the heck are you running, and why are you even considering a mainboard with only ONE CPU slot? Oh, I thought the future was multicore, not multi-CPU. For the same price, you can get better quality he http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128359 Thanks---will consider ... yes, they are rather similar except for the legacy I/O. Actually the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R you link to is probably better since it has two more PCI-E slots than the MSI. |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
Dave wrote:
"Matt" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? Ummmm...don't pay too much attention to user reviews. End users make a lot of mistakes in the research phase of a build which they tend to blame on the motherboard, even if there's nothing wrong with the motherboard. That is why you have so many "open box" mainboards. Apparently the users who buy these MSI boards are more error-prone than those who buy certain other boards. OTOH, you are REALLY limiting yourself by insisting that a motherboard have serial and parallel ports. What next...a math coprocessor slot, perhaps? I notice the the PCI-E serial+parallel boards are way expensive compared to PCI boards, but the Gigabyte motherboard you indicated should have enough PCI slots anyway. |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
"Matt" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? I recently purchased an open box mobo from Newegg and figured I did not have too much to loose as it had a 15 day return policy and the board was so cheap I could hardly resist. Except for only getting a small photocopied sheet instead of the full manual...I got the complete package including the drivers cd. The board arrived with a dead cmos battery and once I replaced it...the thing has worked perfectly. Possibly that's why it was returned??? I have been using it on my bench as a test machine for several months now and have really abused the thing...and it's held up just fine. So my experience at least has been a good one |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
philo wrote:
"Matt" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? I recently purchased an open box mobo from Newegg and figured I did not have too much to loose as it had a 15 day return policy and the board was so cheap I could hardly resist. Hmmm ... I went back to check those open-box listings and couldn't find them. I found a lot of them earlier. |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
Paul wrote:
Matt wrote: I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? If the motherboard does not have good reviews in the regular product section, why would you touch it with a barge pole ? That is why those customer reviews are so valuable - you're using someone else's expensive experiment, to prevent you from making the same mistake. Sure, a miracle might happen, and all the problems could be fixed with some future BIOS update. But, maybe a competitor's board works right now... Paul ha ha ... you're right ... thanks for stating what should be obvious ... |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
"Matt" wrote in message ... philo wrote: "Matt" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail There are several similar MSI boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130181 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130185 and none of them have very high ratings by newegg's customers. Besides that, newegg is selling a lot of these boards "open box". Presumably these are boards that have been returned because of problems. These boards have features that I want: 16GB RAM capacity, many PCI slots, serial and parallel ports. I don't care much about overclocking, but these boards seem to have special support for OC. Can I expect that the problems can all be solved by BIOS updates, or maybe that they are due to damage from OC, or should I expect that there are hardware design problems that can't be fixed? I recently purchased an open box mobo from Newegg and figured I did not have too much to loose as it had a 15 day return policy and the board was so cheap I could hardly resist. Hmmm ... I went back to check those open-box listings and couldn't find them. I found a lot of them earlier. If the price is right... they sell out quickly! Check back...I'm sure there will be more soon |
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Happy with MS-7514 motherboards? Open-box offers and poor reviews
You probably don't need 16GB of RAM capacity, either.
Really, 256K ought to be enough for anybody ... Don't you find it a little ridiculous when 95% of the motherboards in use can be maxed out with $50 worth of RAM? I have a couple of letters from lawyers somewhere around here, asking me to claim my piece of the pie. (probably a coupon for $10 off a $100 purchase, ha ha) Basically, RAM manufacturers were sued in a class action suit and LOST. Seems they were price fixing until recently. I don't find it ridiculous that 95% of motherboards can be maxed out with $50 worth of RAM. I find it ridiculous that this hasn't always been true. I expect to use the board for five years or more. We are not going to be running on 32 bits five years from now. Some people are now building programs that use 16GB and more. Software is the only thing holding us back ... hmmm ... now how did that happen? RAM manufacturers stopped price fixing? NOW it is LCD screen manufacturers who are price fixing. I didn't make that up btw, but I'm too lazy to search for a link right now. Oh, I thought the future was multicore, not multi-CPU. That's true. But by the time you need a program that REQUIRES 16GB of RAM, it won't matter how many cores you've got on one chip...you'll need more than one chip!!! -Dave |
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