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Major ISPs dropping Usenet
Who cares, they are obviously crappy isp's anyway, who are happy to comply
with taking away your freedom D Bye, Skybuck. |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:24:14 GMT, "geoff" wrote:
| From Cuomo's point of view, it is a way to get name recognition. For people | who trade in child porn, they will find other outlets as needed. | | The effect on usenet is, Cuomo is still going after other ISPs, if the 5 | major ISPs do not offer access anymore or limited access then it seems there | would be very little activity. Someone here might post a question and there | would be no response or maybe 1 response. | | From a historical perspective, if this is the death of usenet, does Cuomo | really want to remembered in the history books as the guy who killed usenet? | His solution is like saying there are so many drug deals and murders in | Miami, we've decided to cut phone service there. Cuomo is a big-mouthed idiot just like his father before him. His actions are attempts to subvert a SCOTUS ruling in a PA case, which afforded maximum freedom of speech protection to the Internet in general and to Usenet in particular. PA had sought to kill the messages. Cuomo is now attempting to kill the messengers. Where is the ACLU when you need them??? Larc |
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In article , Larc wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:24:14 GMT, "geoff" wrote: | From Cuomo's point of view, it is a way to get name recognition. For people | who trade in child porn, they will find other outlets as needed. | | The effect on usenet is, Cuomo is still going after other ISPs, if the 5 | major ISPs do not offer access anymore or limited access then it seems there | would be very little activity. Someone here might post a question and there | would be no response or maybe 1 response. | | From a historical perspective, if this is the death of usenet, does Cuomo | really want to remembered in the history books as the guy who killed usenet? | His solution is like saying there are so many drug deals and murders in | Miami, we've decided to cut phone service there. Cuomo is a big-mouthed idiot just like his father before him. His actions are attempts to subvert a SCOTUS ruling in a PA case, which afforded maximum freedom of speech protection to the Internet in general and to Usenet in particular. PA had sought to kill the messages. Cuomo is now attempting to kill the messengers. Where is the ACLU when you need them??? Larc Never mind the ACLU, where is the Supreme Court when you need them? |
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Major ISPs dropping Usenet
Where is the ACLU when you need them??? Did you contact them? |
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"TVeblen" wrote in message . ..
Where is the ACLU when you need them??? Did you contact them? This is about money, not rights. You'll notice the ISPs who're gutting Usenet are the ones who're providing (or are planning to provide) their own video content. They intend to go after anything that might compete. Usenet is just one of the primary major targets. Have you noticed raw FTP is all but gone? Mark my words: within the next three years they'll be blocking all P2P traffic. |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:24:14 GMT, "geoff" wrote:
From Cuomo's point of view, it is a way to get name recognition. For people who trade in child porn, they will find other outlets as needed. For one thing, there are thousands of nntp servers, many of them available for free or for a fee. Shutting down the ISP access is just a small speed bump as someone said. Most saavy users will simply change the news server address to those still offering full access. The effect on usenet is, Cuomo is still going after other ISPs, if the 5 major ISPs do not offer access anymore or limited access then it seems there would be very little activity. Someone here might post a question and there would be no response or maybe 1 response. IMO this action by Cuomo would probably reduce the number of usenet regulars but not enough to kill off USENET. USENET itself has been on the decline for years. I can remember when 100+ posts a day were the norm and epic flame war that lasted 2000 posts before it died. Today I am hard pressed to find active group that regularly get 100+ a day that isn't mostly spams and trolls. |
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Major ISPs dropping Usenet
WELL HERE WE ARE ANOTHER STUPID RUMOR STARTED -- I CHECKED TIME WARNER IN
SOCAL THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY HAD BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS AND THAT THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE-THEY ARE GOING TO LIMIT AND BLOCK SITES THAT HAVE APPARENT PORN BOTH ADULT AND CHILD -- THEY HAVE NO INTENSION OF BLOCKING OR REMOVING ANY NEWS GROUPS WITH INFORMATIONAL VALUE--YOU WOULD THINK PEOPLE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN START THIS NONSENSE I would think people who post on Usenet would know how to use the Capslock key, but there you go...... |
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:26:33 -0700, lkboop wrote:
| nospam wrote: | Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of | the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this | group. | | Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any | existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. | | | WELL HERE WE ARE ANOTHER STUPID RUMOR STARTED -- I CHECKED TIME WARNER | IN SOCAL THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY HAD BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS AND THAT | THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE-THEY ARE GOING TO LIMIT AND BLOCK SITES THAT HAVE | APPARENT PORN BOTH ADULT AND CHILD -- THEY HAVE NO INTENSION OF | BLOCKING OR REMOVING ANY NEWS GROUPS WITH INFORMATIONAL VALUE--YOU WOULD | THINK PEOPLE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN START THIS NONSENSE You may want to check a more authoritative source than somebody who happens to answer the phone at TWC. http://help.rr.com/HMSFaqs/e_newsgro...rmination.aspx Sorry, but you'll probably have to input your location info, etc., to reach the applicable help page. Larc |
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THEY HAVE NO INTENSION OF BLOCKING OR REMOVING ANY NEWS GROUPS WITH
INFORMATIONAL VALUE Here is the announcement from the RR website (you have to select your city/state/etc. after clicking on the link): http://help.rr.com/HMSFaqs/e_newsgro...rmination.aspx I cannot access Road Runner Newsgroups or download articles? As of June 23, 2008, Road Runner will no longer offer Newsgroups, however users can subscribe on their own to third party News providers. Why is Road Runner discontinuing their own Newsgroups service? Due to low subscriber usage Road Runner has decided to discontinue Newsgroups service as of June 23, 2008. If I still want a news service, what can I do? Subscribers can choose to use a third party service and purchase on their own through that service. There are many providers with offerings, as an example here are several providers: Easynews Newshosting UsenetServer When is the last day that Road Runner Newsgroups service will be available? Newsgroups service will cease on June 23, 2008. 6/5/2008 4:55 PM Modified by MG |
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lkboop wrote: nospam wrote: Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this group. Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. WELL HERE WE ARE ANOTHER STUPID RUMOR STARTED -- I CHECKED TIME WARNER IN SOCAL THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY HAD BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS AND THAT THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE-THEY ARE GOING TO LIMIT AND BLOCK SITES THAT HAVE APPARENT PORN BOTH ADULT AND CHILD -- THEY HAVE NO INTENSION OF BLOCKING OR REMOVING ANY NEWS GROUPS WITH INFORMATIONAL VALUE--YOU WOULD THINK PEOPLE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN START THIS NONSENSE The ISP's would definitely like to shut down UseNet. Yahoo has pointed the way. It is more profitable to disseminate content through special interest groups lined with paid advertising than getting virtually zero from giving bandwidth to offering a newsgroup. Moreover, such discussion groups only propagate more mailing lists that can be sold. So, TWC is more enlightened than Verizon and the other traditional ISP's? Maybe...and maybe not. TWC has more at stake than having an ISP capability. |
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