Gigabyte GA-P35 DS3P - RAM?

bob johnson wrote:
Thanks, Paul

I'm confused here. I'm running a c2d 4500 running a 272x11 (2.99) but
cpu-z and windows is reporting stock speed (200x11= 2.2)

Here are the cpu-z memory settings:

200 mhz
1:1
4.0 clocks
3 clocks
3 clocks
8 clocks

2t

Thanks for the help,


bob

So you set this 272 in the BIOS, did a "Save and Exit" ?
Go back into the BIOS and see if you remembered to save your settings.

I expect things will change a bit, once you come to grips with the
CPU clock setting.

For the RAM, whether the timings are reasonable, will also depend
on the values recorded in the SPD section, and also on the specifications
provided in the print advert for the RAM. The SPD is not always programmed
to the performance level listed in the advert. Which is why it is important
to write down what they promised you, in terms of settings. Some manufacturers
rely on their enthusiast customers, entering the timings manually into
the BIOS. The reason they put wimpy settings in there, is to give you a
chance to turn up the voltage a bit, before cranking the timing settings.

Whether the above settings you list are correct, may become clearer once you
gather info from those two other sources (SPD and advert).

Also, as a means of independently verifying that things have changed for
the better, you need a benchmark. I recommend SuperPI as a quick test.
On my current P4, I get 50 seconds to calculate PI to 1 million digits.
The world record as of yesterday, is below 8 seconds for 1 million digits.
That record was set on liquid nitrogen, with a processor running over
5GHz. Your results will be somewhere in between :-) And you better
be able to beat my time, or something is seriously busted.

Run SuperPI, with your current, too slow conditions. Then, after fixing
the BIOS, rerun and note the improvement. SuperPI only runs on one core,
but we're using this to verify the extent to which the clock has
improved. If all the clock utilities tell lies, SuperPI will tell you
if something is different.

http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/super_pi_mod-1.5.zip

Paul

bob johnson wrote:
Hi Guys

I have this same MB and 4GB of this ram:

http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098

Vista is giving me a 4.8 rating (lowest one) and I wondered if my
bios settings are set wrong?

I'm running a C2D 4500 2.4@ 2.9 mhz on "auto voltage" (OC setting) or
similiar.

all my friends w/the same ram on Asus MB's are getting a rating of
5.7/5.8.


thx

bob


"bornfree" wrote in message
...

On 28 Feb, 12:27, Unknown wrote:

I called the vendor tech support and discussed the situation. He
looked up the order and they had installed DDR2 533 memory. The board
supports DDR2 667, 800, & 1066.


I currently have DDR2 800 installed. Will going up to 1066 make a
noticeable difference to performance?

My CPU is an Intel E6300 OC'd to 2.8Ghz. My HDD is a 500GB Samsung
7,200RPM SATA.

Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have changed.
I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob



"Paul" wrote in message ...
bob johnson wrote:
Thanks, Paul

I'm confused here. I'm running a c2d 4500 running a 272x11 (2.99) but
cpu-z and windows is reporting stock speed (200x11= 2.2)

Here are the cpu-z memory settings:

200 mhz
1:1
4.0 clocks
3 clocks
3 clocks
8 clocks

2t

Thanks for the help,


bob

So you set this 272 in the BIOS, did a "Save and Exit" ?
Go back into the BIOS and see if you remembered to save your settings.

I expect things will change a bit, once you come to grips with the
CPU clock setting.

For the RAM, whether the timings are reasonable, will also depend
on the values recorded in the SPD section, and also on the specifications
provided in the print advert for the RAM. The SPD is not always programmed
to the performance level listed in the advert. Which is why it is
important
to write down what they promised you, in terms of settings. Some
manufacturers
rely on their enthusiast customers, entering the timings manually into
the BIOS. The reason they put wimpy settings in there, is to give you a
chance to turn up the voltage a bit, before cranking the timing settings.

Whether the above settings you list are correct, may become clearer once
you
gather info from those two other sources (SPD and advert).

Also, as a means of independently verifying that things have changed for
the better, you need a benchmark. I recommend SuperPI as a quick test.
On my current P4, I get 50 seconds to calculate PI to 1 million digits.
The world record as of yesterday, is below 8 seconds for 1 million digits.
That record was set on liquid nitrogen, with a processor running over
5GHz. Your results will be somewhere in between :-) And you better
be able to beat my time, or something is seriously busted.

Run SuperPI, with your current, too slow conditions. Then, after fixing
the BIOS, rerun and note the improvement. SuperPI only runs on one core,
but we're using this to verify the extent to which the clock has
improved. If all the clock utilities tell lies, SuperPI will tell you
if something is different.

http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/super_pi_mod-1.5.zip

Paul

bob johnson wrote:
Hi Guys

I have this same MB and 4GB of this ram:

http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098

Vista is giving me a 4.8 rating (lowest one) and I wondered if my bios
settings are set wrong?

I'm running a C2D 4500 2.4@ 2.9 mhz on "auto voltage" (OC setting) or
similiar.

all my friends w/the same ram on Asus MB's are getting a rating of
5.7/5.8.


thx

bob


"bornfree" wrote in message
...
On 28 Feb, 12:27, Unknown wrote:

I called the vendor tech support and discussed the situation. He
looked up the order and they had installed DDR2 533 memory. The board
supports DDR2 667, 800, & 1066.


I currently have DDR2 800 installed. Will going up to 1066 make a
noticeable difference to performance?

My CPU is an Intel E6300 OC'd to 2.8Ghz. My HDD is a 500GB Samsung
7,200RPM SATA.

Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings dramatically
increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600. So at a fsb of 333mhz
and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I was able to obtain 3-3-3-8
instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at 667. It runs alot faster than at
5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz. I'm so excited I was able to push this ram
so far for the price."


bob






"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have changed.
I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob



"Paul" wrote in message ...
bob johnson wrote:
Thanks, Paul

I'm confused here. I'm running a c2d 4500 running a 272x11 (2.99) but
cpu-z and windows is reporting stock speed (200x11= 2.2)

Here are the cpu-z memory settings:

200 mhz
1:1
4.0 clocks
3 clocks
3 clocks
8 clocks

2t

Thanks for the help,


bob

So you set this 272 in the BIOS, did a "Save and Exit" ?
Go back into the BIOS and see if you remembered to save your settings.

I expect things will change a bit, once you come to grips with the
CPU clock setting.

For the RAM, whether the timings are reasonable, will also depend
on the values recorded in the SPD section, and also on the specifications
provided in the print advert for the RAM. The SPD is not always
programmed
to the performance level listed in the advert. Which is why it is
important
to write down what they promised you, in terms of settings. Some
manufacturers
rely on their enthusiast customers, entering the timings manually into
the BIOS. The reason they put wimpy settings in there, is to give you a
chance to turn up the voltage a bit, before cranking the timing settings.

Whether the above settings you list are correct, may become clearer once
you
gather info from those two other sources (SPD and advert).

Also, as a means of independently verifying that things have changed for
the better, you need a benchmark. I recommend SuperPI as a quick test.
On my current P4, I get 50 seconds to calculate PI to 1 million digits.
The world record as of yesterday, is below 8 seconds for 1 million
digits.
That record was set on liquid nitrogen, with a processor running over
5GHz. Your results will be somewhere in between :-) And you better
be able to beat my time, or something is seriously busted.

Run SuperPI, with your current, too slow conditions. Then, after fixing
the BIOS, rerun and note the improvement. SuperPI only runs on one core,
but we're using this to verify the extent to which the clock has
improved. If all the clock utilities tell lies, SuperPI will tell you
if something is different.

http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/super_pi_mod-1.5.zip

Paul

bob johnson wrote:
Hi Guys

I have this same MB and 4GB of this ram:

http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098

Vista is giving me a 4.8 rating (lowest one) and I wondered if my bios
settings are set wrong?

I'm running a C2D 4500 2.4@ 2.9 mhz on "auto voltage" (OC setting) or
similiar.

all my friends w/the same ram on Asus MB's are getting a rating of
5.7/5.8.


thx

bob


"bornfree" wrote in message
...
On 28 Feb, 12:27, Unknown wrote:

I called the vendor tech support and discussed the situation. He
looked up the order and they had installed DDR2 533 memory. The
board
supports DDR2 667, 800, & 1066.


I currently have DDR2 800 installed. Will going up to 1066 make a
noticeable difference to performance?

My CPU is an Intel E6300 OC'd to 2.8Ghz. My HDD is a 500GB Samsung
7,200RPM SATA.

bob johnson wrote:
Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings dramatically
increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600. So at a fsb of
333mhz and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I was able to obtain
3-3-3-8 instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at 667. It runs alot faster
than at 5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz. I'm so excited I was able to
push this ram so far for the price."


bob


Perhaps there are other ratios besides 1:1 for the memory. So you have
room to do some experiments (verifying the impact with SuperPI each time).

With regard to the mysterious return to 200MHz, that happens on an
"overclocking failure". Some motherboards, if the computer doesn't POST
properly, even just once, return to stock (200MHz or whatever) on the
next POST. Usually, there is some warning that it happened, but if you
weren't watching the screen at the time, you might have missed it.
Maybe you were prompted to press F1 or a similar key at some point ?
Check you manual, for details, as it might give the feature a name.

If you can get the RAM to run DDR2-800, then 5-5-5-15 is the official
timing.

Paul


"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have
changed. I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob

The main enable/disable setting in the bios somehow turned off to disable.
I'm back to 2.99 and my ram score went to 5.8, also!


thx

bob


"Paul" wrote in message ...
bob johnson wrote:
Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings dramatically
increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600. So at a fsb of
333mhz and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I was able to obtain
3-3-3-8 instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at 667. It runs alot faster
than at 5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz. I'm so excited I was able to
push this ram so far for the price."


bob


Perhaps there are other ratios besides 1:1 for the memory. So you have
room to do some experiments (verifying the impact with SuperPI each time).

With regard to the mysterious return to 200MHz, that happens on an
"overclocking failure". Some motherboards, if the computer doesn't POST
properly, even just once, return to stock (200MHz or whatever) on the
next POST. Usually, there is some warning that it happened, but if you
weren't watching the screen at the time, you might have missed it.
Maybe you were prompted to press F1 or a similar key at some point ?
Check you manual, for details, as it might give the feature a name.

If you can get the RAM to run DDR2-800, then 5-5-5-15 is the official
timing.

Paul


"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have changed.
I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob

TEST



"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
The main enable/disable setting in the bios somehow turned off to disable.
I'm back to 2.99 and my ram score went to 5.8, also!


thx

bob


"Paul" wrote in message ...
bob johnson wrote:
Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings dramatically
increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600. So at a fsb of
333mhz and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I was able to obtain
3-3-3-8 instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at 667. It runs alot faster
than at 5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz. I'm so excited I was able to
push this ram so far for the price."


bob


Perhaps there are other ratios besides 1:1 for the memory. So you have
room to do some experiments (verifying the impact with SuperPI each
time).

With regard to the mysterious return to 200MHz, that happens on an
"overclocking failure". Some motherboards, if the computer doesn't POST
properly, even just once, return to stock (200MHz or whatever) on the
next POST. Usually, there is some warning that it happened, but if you
weren't watching the screen at the time, you might have missed it.
Maybe you were prompted to press F1 or a similar key at some point ?
Check you manual, for details, as it might give the feature a name.

If you can get the RAM to run DDR2-800, then 5-5-5-15 is the official
timing.

Paul


"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have changed.
I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob

Here are my settings:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/...df36ef99_m.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2360/...3e345129_m.jpg



How do I start pushing my memory from here?



thx

bob





"bob johnson" wrote in message
news
TEST



"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
The main enable/disable setting in the bios somehow turned off to
disable. I'm back to 2.99 and my ram score went to 5.8, also!


thx

bob


"Paul" wrote in message ...
bob johnson wrote:
Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings dramatically
increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600. So at a fsb of
333mhz and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I was able to obtain
3-3-3-8 instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at 667. It runs alot faster
than at 5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz. I'm so excited I was able to
push this ram so far for the price."


bob


Perhaps there are other ratios besides 1:1 for the memory. So you have
room to do some experiments (verifying the impact with SuperPI each
time).

With regard to the mysterious return to 200MHz, that happens on an
"overclocking failure". Some motherboards, if the computer doesn't POST
properly, even just once, return to stock (200MHz or whatever) on the
next POST. Usually, there is some warning that it happened, but if you
weren't watching the screen at the time, you might have missed it.
Maybe you were prompted to press F1 or a similar key at some point ?
Check you manual, for details, as it might give the feature a name.

If you can get the RAM to run DDR2-800, then 5-5-5-15 is the official
timing.

Paul


"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have
changed. I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob

test

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2005/...9247568b_o.png

bob johnson wrote:
Here are my settings:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/...df36ef99_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2360/...3e345129_m.jpg

How do I start pushing my memory from here?

thx

bob

LOL. Nice work :-)

If I'm reading those pictures correctly, you've got four
sticks of RAM running at DDR2-1088 5-7-7-21 2T.

The E4500 is 2.2GHz/FSB800 (11x multiplier).

http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLA95

So, to start, to make FSB800, is 200 x 4 (quad pumped FSB).
So 200MHz is the CPU input clock.

You bought DDR2-800 RAM. The BIOS used a 1:2 ratio, because you
asked for DDR2-800, causing the 200MHz CPU clock, to be multiplied by 2/1.
That gets us to 400MHz feeding into the memory. The memory doubles that
again (because it is double data rate), to give the transfer
rate on the memory bus. That is DDR2-800.

So, *before* you started overclocking, the RAM was running at
its rated spec of DDR2-800.

Now, we turn up the clock. What happens ?

You set the CPU clock to 272MHz, from the old value of 200MHz.
272 x 11 = 2.99GHz for CPU core.

But you forgot to turn down the memory setting, before turning
up the CPU, because the memory gets overclocked at the same
time as the CPU.

272 x (2/1) x 2 = DDR2-1088 :-)

You've already significantly pushed your memory, and
didn't even adjust or relax CAS :-) Gutsy.

Have you tested this ? I cannot imagine getting that
lucky, and the whole thing is stable. Memtest86+
is one program you can start with. Test with memtest86+
first (memtest.org), before you go further. Maybe Vdimm
already got turned up, and that is how you got this far.

Prime95 is for when you really think things are stable,
and need confirmation of that. This version runs in Windows.
I'm pretty sure this won't run for more than 10 seconds,
with your current settings.

http://www.mersenne.org/gimps/p95v255a.zip

Now if I tried that, my wheels would fall off at DDR2-801 :-)

Paul


"bob johnson" wrote in message
news
TEST



"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
The main enable/disable setting in the bios somehow turned off to
disable. I'm back to 2.99 and my ram score went to 5.8, also!


thx

bob


"Paul" wrote in message
...
bob johnson wrote:
Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings
dramatically increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600.
So at a fsb of 333mhz and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I
was able to obtain 3-3-3-8 instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at
667. It runs alot faster than at 5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz.
I'm so excited I was able to push this ram so far for the price."


bob


Perhaps there are other ratios besides 1:1 for the memory. So you have
room to do some experiments (verifying the impact with SuperPI each
time).

With regard to the mysterious return to 200MHz, that happens on an
"overclocking failure". Some motherboards, if the computer doesn't POST
properly, even just once, return to stock (200MHz or whatever) on the
next POST. Usually, there is some warning that it happened, but if you
weren't watching the screen at the time, you might have missed it.
Maybe you were prompted to press F1 or a similar key at some point ?
Check you manual, for details, as it might give the feature a name.

If you can get the RAM to run DDR2-800, then 5-5-5-15 is the official
timing.

Paul


"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have
changed. I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob

LOL

Dumb luck. I've been playing COD4, UT3 FSX, etc, all with no problem.

I thought lower memory settings were faster (3/3/3/8) instead of what cpu-z
is reporting for me (5/7/7/21)?

I had memory speed set to "auto" in the bios thinking it would compensate?


cpu-z reports memory @ 544mhz. I thought I my memory is 800mhz?

I'll keep reading, too. A lot to learn

I'll also get memtest and report back.

Thanks, Paul


bob





"Paul" wrote in message ...
bob johnson wrote:
Here are my settings:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/...df36ef99_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2360/...3e345129_m.jpg

How do I start pushing my memory from here?

thx

bob

LOL. Nice work :-)

If I'm reading those pictures correctly, you've got four
sticks of RAM running at DDR2-1088 5-7-7-21 2T.

The E4500 is 2.2GHz/FSB800 (11x multiplier).

http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLA95

So, to start, to make FSB800, is 200 x 4 (quad pumped FSB).
So 200MHz is the CPU input clock.

You bought DDR2-800 RAM. The BIOS used a 1:2 ratio, because you
asked for DDR2-800, causing the 200MHz CPU clock, to be multiplied by 2/1.
That gets us to 400MHz feeding into the memory. The memory doubles that
again (because it is double data rate), to give the transfer
rate on the memory bus. That is DDR2-800.

So, *before* you started overclocking, the RAM was running at
its rated spec of DDR2-800.

Now, we turn up the clock. What happens ?

You set the CPU clock to 272MHz, from the old value of 200MHz.
272 x 11 = 2.99GHz for CPU core.

But you forgot to turn down the memory setting, before turning
up the CPU, because the memory gets overclocked at the same
time as the CPU.

272 x (2/1) x 2 = DDR2-1088 :-)

You've already significantly pushed your memory, and
didn't even adjust or relax CAS :-) Gutsy.

Have you tested this ? I cannot imagine getting that
lucky, and the whole thing is stable. Memtest86+
is one program you can start with. Test with memtest86+
first (memtest.org), before you go further. Maybe Vdimm
already got turned up, and that is how you got this far.

Prime95 is for when you really think things are stable,
and need confirmation of that. This version runs in Windows.
I'm pretty sure this won't run for more than 10 seconds,
with your current settings.

http://www.mersenne.org/gimps/p95v255a.zip

Now if I tried that, my wheels would fall off at DDR2-801 :-)

Paul


"bob johnson" wrote in message
news
TEST



"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
The main enable/disable setting in the bios somehow turned off to
disable. I'm back to 2.99 and my ram score went to 5.8, also!


thx

bob


"Paul" wrote in message
...
bob johnson wrote:
Found this review w/ my same MB

"Pros: After a quick oc to 3ghz I noticed my ram timings dramatically
increased. I decided to get a 1:1 ratio with my q6600. So at a fsb of
333mhz and the ram's frequency at 333mhz (667), I was able to obtain
3-3-3-8 instead of the advertised 4-4-4-12 at 667. It runs alot
faster than at 5-5-5-15, or 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz. I'm so excited I was
able to push this ram so far for the price."


bob


Perhaps there are other ratios besides 1:1 for the memory. So you have
room to do some experiments (verifying the impact with SuperPI each
time).

With regard to the mysterious return to 200MHz, that happens on an
"overclocking failure". Some motherboards, if the computer doesn't
POST
properly, even just once, return to stock (200MHz or whatever) on the
next POST. Usually, there is some warning that it happened, but if you
weren't watching the screen at the time, you might have missed it.
Maybe you were prompted to press F1 or a similar key at some point ?
Check you manual, for details, as it might give the feature a name.

If you can get the RAM to run DDR2-800, then 5-5-5-15 is the official
timing.

Paul


"
"bob johnson" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, Paul

I have been running this for a few months. Something must have
changed. I'll reboot and report back.

Here is the SPD:

266 400
4.0 5.0
4 5
4 5
10 15
14 21

1.8v 1.8v


Link to ram:


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820231098


thx

bob