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Bench mark close to but not quite as fast as GTS8800. I know, I know, benchmarks aren't real world, but how are you going to compare without spending a lot of money? Amir "Billy Bob" wrote in message ... Really? What pair would that be? bob "Amir Facade" wrote in message ... "Ed Medlin" wrote in message ... "Phil Weldon" wrote in message nk.net... How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset motherboard strike you? Phil Weldon I know that Asus with it's P5N series has some fanless cooling soulutions that I have read about but never actually have seen in action. Most of the folks who go with the nVidia do so for support of SLI, nVidia's version of the ATI Crossfire. I see much more about it on the gaming sites than the more basic productivity sites.........But that ain't all bad if you know what I mean....... Today's games require massive horsepower, both from the CPU and GPU. Personally, I have no experience with nVidia chipsets on the Intel platform, but did have one on an AMD a few years ago and had no issues whatsoever. I wouldn't hesitate going that route myself if I wanted support for SLI, but would probably go the tried and true I965/975 route since I have no plans on spending $800-$1000 for a couple of SLI video cards.......:-). Ed Actually, you can spend $220 on a pair of cards to run in SLI and get the frame rates of a single $400 - $500 card. Amir PS: ATI's Crossfire is a version of nVidia's SLI. LOL |
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Thanks for the input all.
I laid my money down, and did pretty well price-wise ($1000 US for the five core components). Now on to assembly and OS (XP) installation. Then comes * will a 500 Watt ATX12V 2.03 power supply do the trick * what cooling method (starting with Intel stock and lots of case ventilation in a server case. Final decision CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB $168 US Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR nForce 680i $199 US Display Adapter: EVGA 32-P2-N811-AR E-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MByte DDR3 $289 US Memory: Patriot eXtreme 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) $200 US Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500 GByte Serial ATA 7200RPM w/16 MByte buffer $144 US (ZipFlyZoom except for newEgg for the memory Any predictions on overclocking limit? Phil Weldon "Phil Weldon" wrote in message nk.net... | How does overclocking with an E4300 and a 650i nVidia chipset motherboard | strike you? | | Phil Weldon | | |
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Phil Weldon wrote:
Final decision CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB $168 US Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR nForce 680i $199 US Display Adapter: EVGA 32-P2-N811-AR E-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MByte DDR3 $289 US Memory: Patriot eXtreme 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) $200 US Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500 GByte Serial ATA 7200RPM w/16 MByte buffer $144 US (ZipFlyZoom except for newEgg for the memory Any predictions on overclocking limit? Phil, I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out. First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in future upgradability? My prediction? Well, on air, I think about 3.4 GHz? Mainly depends on whether you're lucky with yr sample, I guess. Let us know how you fare! -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst. |
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'Thomas' wrote, in part:
I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out. First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in future upgradability? _____ I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo. What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest possible limitations on overclocking. That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard. I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it starts off with a lower FSB. After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply. I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a. With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista. So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in what the system can DO. If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high speed memory, inexpensive CPU. Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache. Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change. I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to take the long view. Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an update on what you build and your results. Phil Weldon "Thomas" wrote in message ... Phil Weldon wrote: Final decision CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB $168 US Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR nForce 680i $199 US Display Adapter: EVGA 32-P2-N811-AR E-GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MByte DDR3 $289 US Memory: Patriot eXtreme 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) $200 US Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500 GByte Serial ATA 7200RPM w/16 MByte buffer $144 US (ZipFlyZoom except for newEgg for the memory Any predictions on overclocking limit? Phil, I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out. First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in future upgradability? My prediction? Well, on air, I think about 3.4 GHz? Mainly depends on whether you're lucky with yr sample, I guess. Let us know how you fare! -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst. |
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Phil Weldon wrote: (also in part)
I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo. What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest possible limitations on overclocking. That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard. I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it starts off with a lower FSB. After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply. I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a. With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista. So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in what the system can DO. If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high speed memory, inexpensive CPU. Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache. Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change. I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to take the long view. Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an update on what you build and your results. I understand more about what you're trying to do... With exploring the limits, you dont want to be limited by something like yr memory. I've been overclocking, too, this started on my P75 :-) I went with a watercooling setup with my P4C 2.6, but this time I'll see how the current air cooling solutions pay out first. I'll be keeping that setup running, my girlfriend was surprised how fast photoshop runs on it :-) Good excuse for me to pass that system to her and make a completely new build. I'm now mainly interested in building a 'budget' rig, and trying to get the most out of all my components. In the past, i tried to make my pc's future proof, but that never really paid out :-) I kept upgrading half my PC because the upgradability was less good than advertised. I'm mainly doubting about my mainboard. I'm planning on getting an Ati x1950XT vid card, and it'd be good to have at least the possibility of adding an extra card with crossfire. Currently, I'm leaning towards the Asus P5W DH Deluxe. Anyway, when (if...) I finish the build, I'll report back! -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst. |
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"Phil Weldon" wrote in message ink.net... 'Thomas' wrote, in part: I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out. First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in future upgradability? _____ I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo. What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest possible limitations on overclocking. That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard. I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it starts off with a lower FSB. After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply. I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a. With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista. So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in what the system can DO. If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high speed memory, inexpensive CPU. Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache. Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change. I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to take the long view. Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an update on what you build and your results. Phil Weldon Seems you are set. Yea, I think a good, brand name 500w should do you well. I just read this morning that Intel is releasing a 45nm 8 core chip in (at least they say) early 2008. Each of the 8 cores will be hyperthreaded. I just read the damn article and forget the code name of the thing. With your cooling and tenacity, I would guess you will probably get the 4300 processor to a 100% OC.........:-). Somewhere between 3.4 and 3.6 would be very good. Keep us informed on your progress, I am really interested. Whichever I decide on, I will probably go with just water cooling sans the Peltier. Good luck pal. Ed |
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'Ed Medlin' wrote, in part:
| Seems you are set. Yea, I think a good, brand name 500w should do you | well. I just read this morning that Intel is releasing a 45nm 8 core chip in | (at least they say) early 2008. Each of the 8 cores will be hyperthreaded. I | just read the damn article and forget the code name of the thing. _____ 'Nehalem' http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31408/135/ I really wanted to consider an ASUS motherboard, but found it impossible to get a manual successfully downloaded from the ASUS website! By the way, I'm going to try out diamond dust in an oil soluble base for a thermal compound; it's cheaper than 'Arctic Silver'! Five grams of 0-2 micron diamond particles for $7.34 US. Actually larger particles would likely be better; that's a bit more expensive; ~ $20 US for five grams. McMaster-Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com Everything but the memory will be delivered today except possibly for the memory. ZipZoomFly was backordered for PC8500 and newEgg is slower. I'll probably go to CompUSA today to look for a power supply. There should be some attractive bargains; CompUSA is closing all of its stores in the Atlanta area. Phil Weldon "Ed Medlin" wrote in message .. . | | "Phil Weldon" wrote in message | ink.net... | 'Thomas' wrote, in part: | I'm also looking for a new rig, similar to your lay-out. | | First thing is, I'm wondering why you went 'all-out' with the memory? I | was thinking about getting some 800 MHz CL4 memory (cheaper), since | overclocking the CPU by 100% would still leave me with an FSB of 400 MHz, | which translates to 800MHz memory speed. Or are you simply investing in | future upgradability? | _____ | | I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo. | What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest | possible limitations on overclocking. | That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard. | I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and it | starts off with a lower FSB. | | After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be | cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and ... | I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier | arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply. | I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port and a | parts box going back to the Celeron 300a. | With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a big | gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no pay B^) | The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye on DX10 | (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without Vista, or at | least wit a more mature Vista. | | So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than in | what the system can DO. | | If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same high | speed memory, inexpensive CPU. | Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 (PC8500) | and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US (ZipZoomFly.com). | The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 is $150 US ( I see | no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache. | | Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will still | be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change. | | I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I tend to | take the long view. | | Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please post an | update on what you build and your results. | | Phil Weldon | | | | Seems you are set. Yea, I think a good, brand name 500w should do you | well. I just read this morning that Intel is releasing a 45nm 8 core chip in | (at least they say) early 2008. Each of the 8 cores will be hyperthreaded. I | just read the damn article and forget the code name of the thing. | With your cooling and tenacity, I would guess you will probably get the | 4300 processor to a 100% OC.........:-). Somewhere between 3.4 and 3.6 would | be very good. Keep us informed on your progress, I am really interested. | Whichever I decide on, I will probably go with just water cooling sans the | Peltier. Good luck pal. | | Ed | | |
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'Thomas' wrote, in part:
| I understand more about what you're trying to do... With exploring the | limits, you dont want to be limited by something like yr memory. | | I've been overclocking, too, this started on my P75 :-) I went with a | watercooling setup with my P4C 2.6, but this time I'll see how the current | air cooling solutions pay out first. I'll be keeping that setup running, my | girlfriend was surprised how fast photoshop runs on it :-) Good excuse for | me to pass that system to her and make a completely new build. _____ Yeah, I'm passing my overclocked Pentium 2.6 GHz overclocked to 3.2 GHz to my brother. Also he has built himself a machine shop, so we may make some water blocks. Phil Weldon "Thomas" wrote in message ... | Phil Weldon wrote: (also in part) | I want to thoroughly explore overclocking the Intel Core 2 Duo. | What I finally decided on was to put together a system with the fewest | possible limitations on overclocking. | That's why I went with fast memory and the nVidia 680i motherboard. | I picked the E4300 for two reasons; it's the cheapest Core 2 Duo, and | it starts off with a lower FSB. | | After I thoroughly wring out the E4300 then the E6000 series will be | cheaper, then after that there's 45 nanometers, and 32, and 22, and | ... I have a water cooling system with a 12" X 12" radiator, a few Peltier | arrays, and a Lamda 11 - 15 VDC 50 amp adjustable power supply. | I have temperature readout system with 8 sensors and a serial port | and a parts box going back to the Celeron 300a. | With this system it's the journey that's important to me. I am not a | big gamer, and so far I don't edit video (too much like work for no | pay B^) The only reason I went for an nVidia 8800 card is to keep an eye | on | DX10 (hoping that Microsoft will eventually provide DX10 without | Vista, or at least wit a more mature Vista. | | So you see I'm more interested in what I can do TO this system than | in what the system can DO. | | If I really need performance, I'd still think hard about the same | high speed memory, inexpensive CPU. | Right now the price differential between 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-1066 | (PC8500) and 2 X 1 GByte DDR2-800 (PC6400) is only $40 US | (ZipZoomFly.com). The price differential between the E4300 and the E6600 | is $150 US ( I | see no reason to go for an E6000 series CPU with a 2 MByte L2 cache. | | Also, if Intel brings forth a 1333 MHz FSB, then PC8500 memory will | still be useful with only a moderate CPU:Memory clock ratio change. | | I could be wrong. I first began programming computers in 1965; I | tend to take the long view. | | Hope this helps. Thanks for your comments and questions. Please | post an update on what you build and your results. | | I understand more about what you're trying to do... With exploring the | limits, you dont want to be limited by something like yr memory. | | I've been overclocking, too, this started on my P75 :-) I went with a | watercooling setup with my P4C 2.6, but this time I'll see how the current | air cooling solutions pay out first. I'll be keeping that setup running, my | girlfriend was surprised how fast photoshop runs on it :-) Good excuse for | me to pass that system to her and make a completely new build. | | I'm now mainly interested in building a 'budget' rig, and trying to get the | most out of all my components. In the past, i tried to make my pc's future | proof, but that never really paid out :-) I kept upgrading half my PC | because the upgradability was less good than advertised. | | I'm mainly doubting about my mainboard. I'm planning on getting an Ati | x1950XT vid card, and it'd be good to have at least the possibility of | adding an extra card with crossfire. Currently, I'm leaning towards the Asus | P5W DH Deluxe. | | Anyway, when (if...) I finish the build, I'll report back! | | -- | Met vriendelijke groeten, Thomas vd Horst. | | |
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Phil Weldon wrote:
[snip] By the way, I'm going to try out diamond dust in an oil soluble base for a thermal compound; it's cheaper than 'Arctic Silver'! Five grams of 0-2 micron diamond particles for $7.34 US. Actually larger particles would likely be better; that's a bit more expensive; ~ $20 US for five grams. McMaster-Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com S'cuse my ignorance Phil but why the diamond lapping paste as a TIM? It seems a rather strange thing to use to me. Does it have properties that I'm not aware of? Are you sure that the paste won't thin out and run away at temperature leaving a few "rocks" and air gaps in it's place? Is it just for bragging rights? ("You've got silver? Loser. Mine is diamond." g) (BTW, I'm aware of your view on commercial TIMs). Cheers, and good luck with the system, I'll be following your progress with interest. -- Shaun. |
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~misfit~ wrote:
Phil Weldon wrote: [snip] By the way, I'm going to try out diamond dust in an oil soluble base for a thermal compound; it's cheaper than 'Arctic Silver'! Five grams of 0-2 micron diamond particles for $7.34 US. Actually larger particles would likely be better; that's a bit more expensive; ~ $20 US for five grams. McMaster-Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com S'cuse my ignorance Phil but why the diamond lapping paste as a TIM? It seems a rather strange thing to use to me. Does it have properties that I'm not aware of? Are you sure that the paste won't thin out and run away at temperature leaving a few "rocks" and air gaps in it's place? Is it just for bragging rights? ("You've got silver? Loser. Mine is diamond." g) (BTW, I'm aware of your view on commercial TIMs). Cheers, and good luck with the system, I'll be following your progress with interest. Ahh, OK. having done some research I now know that diamonds are *very* thermally conductive. I only hope that your paste has a high percentage of diamonds to carrier. Maybe you could heat it and hope that the diamonds settle? Probably not at that size. Anyway, good luck. :-) -- Shaun. |
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