Problem with new P4 3.06 & win98se installation

Michael Brown wrote:

127.0.0.1 wrote:

Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz.

The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
start.

I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for
hours with 0 errors.

My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
the 533 FSB,
I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.

The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
normal mode
the lock up always happens at start up.


98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108
I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without paying for
support, but it seems to be impossible to do. Fortunately, someone who HAS
got it out of them has been kind enough to post it on the web:
http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html

I got "access forbidden" on that server.

DaveW wrote:

You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or the
systems freezes/crashes.


Well, no. You limit the vcache size in system.ini and then it's fine.

And how do you make this entry during Win9x installation?

"Pen" wrote in message
...
That is incorrect. 9X only requires an entry in the vcache section of
system.ini to limit vcache to no more than 512.

"DaveW" wrote in message
news:NTChc.56$_L6.6422@attbi_s53...
You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or
the
systems freezes/crashes.

--
DaveW



"127.0.0.1" wrote in message
...
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Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz.

The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
start.

I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
external
hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with
0
errors.

My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
the
533
FSB,
I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.

The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
normal
mode
the lock up always happens at start up.

There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far
as
to
put a fresh install
of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive
removed
all
PCI cards and it
still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7
back
in.

May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and
crashes
???

Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.

BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think
this
bug is only on
win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.

Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??

David Maynard wrote:
Michael Brown wrote:

[...]
98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108
I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without
paying for support, but it seems to be impossible to do.
Fortunately, someone who HAS got it out of them has been kind enough
to post it on the web: http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html

I got "access forbidden" on that server.

Wierd ... rechecked just now and it works fine. Another place to try is
http://home.planet.nl/~dorp0043/2002.htm#fix

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Michael Brown wrote:
[...]
98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108

Note: It doesn't mention 98SE on this page, but it appears that SE suffers
from the same problem:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread/t-17663.html
Looks like pulling NDIS.VXD from a WinME install (or other sources ) will
do the trick as well.

[...]
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Michael Brown wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Michael Brown wrote:


[...]

98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108
I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without
paying for support, but it seems to be impossible to do.
Fortunately, someone who HAS got it out of them has been kind enough
to post it on the web: http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html

I got "access forbidden" on that server.


Wierd ... rechecked just now and it works fine.

Could be a domain restriction because it's definitely coming from his server.

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /ndis_fix.html on this server.

Apache/1.3.29 Server at www.sjordan.com Port 80

I also tried just http://www.sjordan.com/ and got the same thing.

Another place to try is
http://home.planet.nl/~dorp0043/2002.htm#fix

Thanks. I was able to get it from there.


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"Noozer" wrote in message
news:E3Ehc.187272$Pk3.149210@pd7tw1no...
And how do you make this entry during Win9x installation?

"Pen" wrote in message
...
That is incorrect. 9X only requires an entry in the vcache section of
system.ini to limit vcache to no more than 512.

"DaveW" wrote in message
news:NTChc.56$_L6.6422@attbi_s53...
You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM
or
the
systems freezes/crashes.

--
DaveW



"127.0.0.1" wrote in message
...
X-No-Archive: yes

Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz.

The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at
the
start.

I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
external
hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours
with
0
errors.

My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
the
533
FSB,
I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.

The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go
into
normal
mode
the lock up always happens at start up.

There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so
far
as
to
put a fresh install
of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive
removed
all
PCI cards and it
still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7
back
in.

May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and
crashes
???

Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.

BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think
this
bug is only on
win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.

Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:19:30 +1200, "Michael Brown"
wrote:

Michael Brown wrote:
[...]
98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108

Note: It doesn't mention 98SE on this page, but it appears that SE suffers
from the same problem:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread/t-17663.html
Looks like pulling NDIS.VXD from a WinME install (or other sources ) will
do the trick as well.

[...]

The MS KB article specifically mentions the NDIS.VXD file for the patch is
to be v 4.10.2000 or later version.

Win98SE (at least this particular original Win98SE CD I have here) has
NDIS.VXD v4.10.2222, which setup extracts from "NET9.CAB". It is running
on a system with a 2.1GHz CPU without this issue being apparent.

kony wrote:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:19:30 +1200, "Michael Brown"
wrote:


Michael Brown wrote:
[...]

98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108

Note: It doesn't mention 98SE on this page, but it appears that SE suffers

from the same problem:

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread/t-17663.html
Looks like pulling NDIS.VXD from a WinME install (or other sources ) will
do the trick as well.

[...]


The MS KB article specifically mentions the NDIS.VXD file for the patch is
to be v 4.10.2000 or later version.

Win98SE (at least this particular original Win98SE CD I have here) has
NDIS.VXD v4.10.2222, which setup extracts from "NET9.CAB". It is running
on a system with a 2.1GHz CPU without this issue being apparent.

Yes. My Win98SE installations have that version too, although none are on
machines that fast.

kony wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:19:30 +1200, "Michael Brown"
wrote:

Michael Brown wrote:
[...]
98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108

Note: It doesn't mention 98SE on this page, but it appears that SE
suffers from the same problem:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread/t-17663.html
Looks like pulling NDIS.VXD from a WinME install (or other sources
) will do the trick as well.

[...]

The MS KB article specifically mentions the NDIS.VXD file for the
patch is to be v 4.10.2000 or later version.

Win98SE (at least this particular original Win98SE CD I have here) has
NDIS.VXD v4.10.2222, which setup extracts from "NET9.CAB". It is
running on a system with a 2.1GHz CPU without this issue being
apparent.

Hmm, should have checked my 98SE disks before posting :| My 98SE has the
same version (2222) and it gave the NDIS error on boot when I was running my
CPUs at 2.2GHz (though it's Prime95 stable at these speeds). Haven't tried
it since dropping dropping down to 2GHz (allowed me to run at much lower
voltages, and hence with less noise), though it might just be 98 not liking
the dual-Barton setup

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