Switching from AMD to INTEL!

"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Hmm so I hear that the 2.6c is the new 2.4c, but with that chip (2.6c) I
would be aiming for 250MHz-FSB (1GHz-QDR!!!) 13 x 250. Sounds like I
would
need PC4000 for sync or very tight PC3200/3500 for some async.

Prescott prices are *pre-order* prices from overclockers.co.uk

You heard right. The 2.6C is definitely the bang for buck champ. If you're
going to splurge on PC4000, do some research to make sure it will run well
on the board you select. Compatibility is not universal and some sticks do
better than others on specific boards with specific bios versions.

Like TomG, I use and recommend the Abit IC7, with or without the "G." When I
was shopping for a bargain hot-rod last year, this is what I put together:

Abit IC7
P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz
Vantec Aeroflow hsf
4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 (Winbond BH-5, same as Mushkin Level II Black
PC3500 but a lot less expensive) Runs at 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6

Sorry. My ignorance of the newer Intel chipsets is showing.

Dave


"TomG" wrote in message
news:4HOQb.11969$dd6.3012@lakeread02...
actually, Intel has everything to do with raid. given that Intel has
implemented SATA raid in the 865 and 875 chipsets...

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"DaveL" wrote in message
...
Raid is from companies like Promise and Highpoint. AMD and Intel got
nothing to do with it.

Dave


"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Greetings,

After 4 months of living in Barton/nForce2 land, I have decided it's
about
time I *knock-up* a current INTEL rig (with a view to overclock!).

I really do rate my AMD systems, but I believe that INTEL has a
superior
*Memory & SATA RAID* implementation, and I wants it! (my Precious).

I have always used INTEL over the past several years, but recently I
decided
to hit the learning curve on the AMD side of things, so now I want to
get
INTEL back inside I am a bit unsure (especially as Prescott is here is
early
guise).

So basically I had a good look around today, and so far I am feeling a
good
vibe towards the ABIT AI7 (£80.49), seems like it would meet my needs.
Now
I'm not sure which CPU/Memory would be the best choice, but I'm aiming
to
hit 3GHz + using a 1:1 memory ratio.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
CPU (Hmmm Northwood or Prescott?)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Northwood - 2.4GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £128.08

Northwood - 2.6GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £129.19

Northwood - 2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £155.69
Prescott. . . . .2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £151.58

Northwood - 3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £199.69
Prescott. . . . .3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £198.58
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

I just read something about early Prescott's performing slower than
Northwood on a clock for clock bases (something to do with Prescott
having
deeper pipelines).

As the multipliers are fixed I can see I must make my CPU choice
carefully,
but what is the equivalent of the Barton 2500+ in Intel land? (in
terms
of
overclocking/Bang for buck).

Obviously my choices for memory are PC3200 - PC4000, probably 2 x
256MB.
How realistic is it to hit 250MHz-FSB on one of these AI7's? (with
proper
components!).

I heard it may be an option to run the FSB/Memory ratios *Async* with
some
really tight PC3200, yes there will be latencies but how would this
compare
to some PC4000 running 1:1 (Cas3 or 2.5)?

I will be adding a nice PSU, HSF, SATA HDD & Graphics Card and WinXP
Pro
sp1.

O.k I better stop there, this is just my first general enquiry and I
will
now go and read dozens of web reviews to help get me up to speed!

Thanks for any feedback
--
Wayne ][

that was the BT ram that I could not recall the chips that were used and I
incorrectly mentioned the Micron chips in another post... thanks for the
refresher...

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"Skid" wrote in message
news:IuTQb.149966$na.251731@attbi_s04...

"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Hmm so I hear that the 2.6c is the new 2.4c, but with that chip (2.6c) I
would be aiming for 250MHz-FSB (1GHz-QDR!!!) 13 x 250. Sounds like I
would
need PC4000 for sync or very tight PC3200/3500 for some async.

Prescott prices are *pre-order* prices from overclockers.co.uk

You heard right. The 2.6C is definitely the bang for buck champ. If you're
going to splurge on PC4000, do some research to make sure it will run well
on the board you select. Compatibility is not universal and some sticks do
better than others on specific boards with specific bios versions.

Like TomG, I use and recommend the Abit IC7, with or without the "G." When
I
was shopping for a bargain hot-rod last year, this is what I put together:

Abit IC7
P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz
Vantec Aeroflow hsf
4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 (Winbond BH-5, same as Mushkin Level II
Black
PC3500 but a lot less expensive) Runs at 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6

no prob.

--

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"DaveL" wrote in message
...
Sorry. My ignorance of the newer Intel chipsets is showing.

Dave


"TomG" wrote in message
news:4HOQb.11969$dd6.3012@lakeread02...
actually, Intel has everything to do with raid. given that Intel has
implemented SATA raid in the 865 and 875 chipsets...

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified

ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP
This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
over 120,000 FTP users served!
^^^^^^^




"DaveL" wrote in message
...
Raid is from companies like Promise and Highpoint. AMD and Intel got
nothing to do with it.

Dave


"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Greetings,

After 4 months of living in Barton/nForce2 land, I have decided it's
about
time I *knock-up* a current INTEL rig (with a view to overclock!).

I really do rate my AMD systems, but I believe that INTEL has a
superior
*Memory & SATA RAID* implementation, and I wants it! (my Precious).

I have always used INTEL over the past several years, but recently I
decided
to hit the learning curve on the AMD side of things, so now I want
to
get
INTEL back inside I am a bit unsure (especially as Prescott is here
is
early
guise).

So basically I had a good look around today, and so far I am feeling
a
good
vibe towards the ABIT AI7 (£80.49), seems like it would meet my
needs.
Now
I'm not sure which CPU/Memory would be the best choice, but I'm
aiming
to
hit 3GHz + using a 1:1 memory ratio.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
CPU (Hmmm Northwood or Prescott?)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Northwood - 2.4GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £128.08

Northwood - 2.6GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £129.19

Northwood - 2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £155.69
Prescott. . . . .2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £151.58

Northwood - 3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £199.69
Prescott. . . . .3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £198.58
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

I just read something about early Prescott's performing slower than
Northwood on a clock for clock bases (something to do with Prescott
having
deeper pipelines).

As the multipliers are fixed I can see I must make my CPU choice
carefully,
but what is the equivalent of the Barton 2500+ in Intel land? (in
terms
of
overclocking/Bang for buck).

Obviously my choices for memory are PC3200 - PC4000, probably 2 x
256MB.
How realistic is it to hit 250MHz-FSB on one of these AI7's? (with
proper
components!).

I heard it may be an option to run the FSB/Memory ratios *Async*
with
some
really tight PC3200, yes there will be latencies but how would this
compare
to some PC4000 running 1:1 (Cas3 or 2.5)?

I will be adding a nice PSU, HSF, SATA HDD & Graphics Card and WinXP
Pro
sp1.

O.k I better stop there, this is just my first general enquiry and I
will
now go and read dozens of web reviews to help get me up to speed!

Thanks for any feedback
--
Wayne ][

Hi,

well after several hours web-research I am more informed. Seems like INTEL
are just about to launch allot of new stuff (Grantsdale and Alderwood
Chipsets, Socket 775, Prescott)

[H]ardOCP - Prescott and Upgrading
www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY1

AnandTech - Intel 2004 Socket LGA-775
www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1948&p=2

Still a Pentium 4 *2.6GHz* (800MHz-FSB) and *Springdale* motherboard (ABIT
AI7) should hold me down for 6 months, that will give time for all this new
stuff to come out and maybe get to rev1.1, also the prices will be a bit
better then.

From reading the above links I would agree that Intel are running late with
their new chipsets, as it looks like the Prescott CPU was never meant to be
launched on the Springdale/Canterwood platform. It reminds me of the way
coppermines hit the market, first in Slot1 then a few months later we had
the FC-PGA.

If I do buy a P4 now I'm pretty sure I will get a classic *Northwood* and
leave the socket 748 *Prescott* well alone. If I get a Prescott it will be
a native socket 775 running in a new i915 (Grantsdale) or i925x (Alderwood)
mobo, although this will not be for a few more months yet!.

Also I am reading about DDR-II support, PCI Express, yada yada, makes me
think I should not buy any new expensive memory?

The new Southbridge (ICH6) looks cool, 4 *native* SATA interfaces!

I will continue reading, but if you feel you can contribute anymore to this
discussion then please go ahead. . .

still following the concept of building an INTEL sub-system now that will
deliver *bang-4-buck* and pack a good punch!
--
Wayne ][

I think you're on the right track. I still think you should consider an
875P, only a little more money, no finicky kludges to get PAT working,
higher stable fsb overclocks, etc. Couple that with some good low-latency
PC3200 and set it to 5:4. At 250 fsb your 2.6 would be clipping at a
respectable 3.250 ghz and the ram would be in spec at 200. Anything over
that would be gravy.


"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Hi,

well after several hours web-research I am more informed. Seems like
INTEL
are just about to launch allot of new stuff (Grantsdale and Alderwood
Chipsets, Socket 775, Prescott)

[H]ardOCP - Prescott and Upgrading
www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY1

AnandTech - Intel 2004 Socket LGA-775
www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1948&p=2

Still a Pentium 4 *2.6GHz* (800MHz-FSB) and *Springdale* motherboard (ABIT
AI7) should hold me down for 6 months, that will give time for all this
new
stuff to come out and maybe get to rev1.1, also the prices will be a bit
better then.

From reading the above links I would agree that Intel are running late
with
their new chipsets, as it looks like the Prescott CPU was never meant to
be
launched on the Springdale/Canterwood platform. It reminds me of the way
coppermines hit the market, first in Slot1 then a few months later we had
the FC-PGA.

If I do buy a P4 now I'm pretty sure I will get a classic *Northwood* and
leave the socket 748 *Prescott* well alone. If I get a Prescott it will
be
a native socket 775 running in a new i915 (Grantsdale) or i925x
(Alderwood)
mobo, although this will not be for a few more months yet!.

Also I am reading about DDR-II support, PCI Express, yada yada, makes me
think I should not buy any new expensive memory?

The new Southbridge (ICH6) looks cool, 4 *native* SATA interfaces!

I will continue reading, but if you feel you can contribute anymore to
this
discussion then please go ahead. . .

still following the concept of building an INTEL sub-system now that will
deliver *bang-4-buck* and pack a good punch!
--
Wayne ][

"Skid" wrote in message
news:4R1Rb.151219$xy6.730535@attbi_s02...
I think you're on the right track. I still think you should consider an
875P, only a little more money, no finicky kludges to get PAT working,
higher stable fsb overclocks, etc. Couple that with some good low-latency
PC3200 and set it to 5:4. At 250 fsb your 2.6 would be clipping at a
respectable 3.250 ghz and the ram would be in spec at 200. Anything over
that would be gravy.

Excellent advice, that is exactly what my system does.

IC7

P4 2.6C @ 3.25GHz

Dashi


"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Hi,

well after several hours web-research I am more informed. Seems like
INTEL
are just about to launch allot of new stuff (Grantsdale and Alderwood
Chipsets, Socket 775, Prescott)

[H]ardOCP - Prescott and Upgrading
www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY1

AnandTech - Intel 2004 Socket LGA-775
www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1948&p=2

Still a Pentium 4 *2.6GHz* (800MHz-FSB) and *Springdale* motherboard
(ABIT
AI7) should hold me down for 6 months, that will give time for all this
new
stuff to come out and maybe get to rev1.1, also the prices will be a bit
better then.

From reading the above links I would agree that Intel are running late
with
their new chipsets, as it looks like the Prescott CPU was never meant to
be
launched on the Springdale/Canterwood platform. It reminds me of the way
coppermines hit the market, first in Slot1 then a few months later we had
the FC-PGA.

If I do buy a P4 now I'm pretty sure I will get a classic *Northwood* and
leave the socket 748 *Prescott* well alone. If I get a Prescott it will
be
a native socket 775 running in a new i915 (Grantsdale) or i925x
(Alderwood)
mobo, although this will not be for a few more months yet!.

Also I am reading about DDR-II support, PCI Express, yada yada, makes me
think I should not buy any new expensive memory?

The new Southbridge (ICH6) looks cool, 4 *native* SATA interfaces!

I will continue reading, but if you feel you can contribute anymore to
this
discussion then please go ahead. . .

still following the concept of building an INTEL sub-system now that will
deliver *bang-4-buck* and pack a good punch!
--
Wayne ][

hi,
you should try to get an 2.8C M0 stepping from costarica!!!!
these procs goes up to 4Ghz ;o)
it's an 3.2EE with defect L3cache !

make a search with google for "2.8c m0 stepping"

/tom

You should be aware that all Intel CPU's are manufactured in the U.S.A. They
are shipped overseas for assembly into their specific socket.

You are just repeating an urban legend.

Dashi

"tom" wrote in message
...
hi,
you should try to get an 2.8C M0 stepping from costarica!!!!
these procs goes up to 4Ghz ;o)
it's an 3.2EE with defect L3cache !

make a search with google for "2.8c m0 stepping"

/tom

From: AnandTech FAQ

Category: CPU/Processors
Author(s): pm, Wingznut PEZ

Just to clear something up, the markings on the back of the CPU refer to the
packaging site - not the manufacturing site of the actual silicon chip
itself. Intel has no fabs in either Malaysia or Costa Rica, they are
packaging facilities. The silicon die/chips are manufactured elsewhere in
the world and are shipped to either of these two packaging sites. In
addition, Intel manufacturing has a goal of running a "virtual fab" -
meaning that, among other things, products from one fab are statistically
indistinguishable from those manufactured at another fab. So even if, for
example using fake names, Malaysian packages used chips only from fab #1 and
packages marked Costa Rica use chips from fab #2, there should be no
difference statistically between these two.

I saw these discussions back in the Celeron days, and I commented back then,
but this time around it seems a little different. I have started seeing some
online retailers charging more for parts from a specific packaging site and
this disturbs me. There is no difference between parts from these two
packaging sites. Just as you can have 6 head/tails coin tosses come out
heads, there may seem to be a correlation that heads is more likely than
tails, but there isn't. In reality the odds are still approximately 50/50.

The silicon is what defines the speed of a CPU, not the package. And the
silicon comes from multiple fabs scattered all over the place that are all
supposed to be identical anyway.

If you are considering spending more, or buying from a shadier vendor, in
order to get a specific package, I would urge you to reconsider. There is no
difference and you are only wasting money, and or risking getting ripped
off.

Patrick Mahoney
Microprocessor Design Engineer
Intel Corp.

There's been a lot of discussion about which Northwoods are better... Ones
"made in Costa Rica", or the ones "made in Malaysia." The problem is, no
Northwoods are manufactured overseas. All are made in the USA, with the vast
majority coming from Fab20 in Hillsboro, OR. They are packaged (in the
Socket 478) overseas, but that has no effect on the overclockability.

Normally, these discussions don't raise an eyebrow from me... But lately
I've seen resellers charging more for "made in Malay" chips. And in my
opinion, this is a ripoff. I just don't want to see people get taken.

Wingznut
..13µ Lithography Technician
Intel Corp.

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Dashi