Is Blue-Ray and HD DVD Storage Destined To Failure?

I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD
DVD disks. It would make backing up and storing information so much
easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is single layer
DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap. That brings me to an observation.
The next level of storage is the Dual Layer DVD and it seem to be pretty
much a failure as a storage medium. Prices for a single DL DVD is about
$1.50. That's for a good quality disk, cheap unreliable disks can be had
for about $1.25. Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be
somewhat of a failure for storing data. I don't see many people backing
up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't
see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can ever be a replacement for current DVDs.
At $10 per single layer disk, very few people will want to upgrade to
Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage. For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be
successful, the disks need to come down below $1. Possibly around fifty
cents per disks to be able to replace current disks. Just want to know
if anyone has any opinions on this.

Cuss and discuss,

John

John Slade wrote

I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD DVD disks. It would make backing
up and storing information so much easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is
single layer DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap.

Many use hard drives for backup now and just use DVDs for archival.

That brings me to an observation. The next level of storage is the Dual Layer DVD and it seem to
be pretty much a failure as a storage medium.

Yes, its prime advantage is 1:1 copys of manufactured DVDs.

Prices for a single DL DVD is about $1.50. That's for a good quality disk, cheap unreliable disks
can be had for about $1.25. Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be somewhat of a failure
for storing data.

Yes, its prime advantage is 1:1 copys of manufactured DVDs.

I don't see many people backing up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

Yes, because while ever you are writing more than one DVD, it makes
sense to use the cheapest media unless there isnt much in it.

That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can
ever be a replacement for current DVDs.

Its not the sticker price that matters, its the cost per GB etc.

At $10 per single layer disk,

You cant use that price, its not mature technology yet.

very few people will want to upgrade to Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage.

Remains to be seen what the $/GB ends up at.

For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be successful, the disks need to come down below $1.

Nope, just to about the same $/GB as SL DVDs.

Possibly around fifty cents per disks to be able to replace current disks.

You cant ignore the only number that matters, $/GB.

Just want to know if anyone has any opinions on this.

Corse some have.

Cuss and discuss,

Bugger off.

Rod Speed wrote:
John Slade wrote

I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD DVD disks. It would make backing
up and storing information so much easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is
single layer DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap.

Many use hard drives for backup now and just use DVDs for archival.

That brings me to an observation. The next level of storage is the Dual Layer DVD and it seem to
be pretty much a failure as a storage medium.

Yes, its prime advantage is 1:1 copys of manufactured DVDs.

Prices for a single DL DVD is about $1.50. That's for a good quality disk, cheap unreliable disks
can be had for about $1.25. Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be somewhat of a failure
for storing data.

Yes, its prime advantage is 1:1 copys of manufactured DVDs.

I don't see many people backing up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

Yes, because while ever you are writing more than one DVD, it makes
sense to use the cheapest media unless there isnt much in it.

That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can
ever be a replacement for current DVDs.

Its not the sticker price that matters, its the cost per GB etc.

At $10 per single layer disk,

You cant use that price, its not mature technology yet.

very few people will want to upgrade to Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage.

Remains to be seen what the $/GB ends up at.

For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be successful, the disks need to come down below $1.

Nope, just to about the same $/GB as SL DVDs.

Possibly around fifty cents per disks to be able to replace current disks.

You cant ignore the only number that matters, $/GB.

Just want to know if anyone has any opinions on this.

Corse some have.

Cuss and discuss,

Bugger off.



I guess every newsgroup has one... Plonk!

That is a jackass who is snide and thinks they know everything.
These people tend to be boring and go into my killfile when I first hear
from them.

John

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
John Slade wrote:

I guess every newsgroup has one... Plonk!

Yep! Rob (Corncob) Speed is our village idiot. We love him and try to
feed
him regularly.

I frequent the newsgroups ba.broadcasting and comp.sys.mac.advocacy.
There are quite a few in ba.broadcasting but the main one is John
Higdon. In comp.sys.mac.advocacy we have a person called Snit. Snit is
totally clueless but acts like he/she knows everything.


That is a jackass who is snide and thinks they know everything.
These people tend to be boring and go into my killfile when I first
hear from them.

I wouldn't be too hasty to put Rod in the killfile so soon as he has some
entertainment value.

Yea they tend to be funny. I find that the funny part is they don't
know how clueless they are.


As for your question about using any DVD format for backups I would suggest
you simply use removable or external HDs for maximum reliability.

Oh yea that's the best solution for HD backup. Another HD cloned or
uses to store multiple backups is the fastest and most reliable solution
.. However I use my DVDs to archive stuff I know I want to last a long time.

John

Previously John Slade wrote:
I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD
DVD disks. It would make backing up and storing information so much
easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is single layer
DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap. That brings me to an observation.
The next level of storage is the Dual Layer DVD and it seem to be pretty
much a failure as a storage medium. Prices for a single DL DVD is about
$1.50. That's for a good quality disk, cheap unreliable disks can be had
for about $1.25. Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be
somewhat of a failure for storing data. I don't see many people backing
up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

Sorry, but DVD, Blue-ray and HD-DVD are all cheap, unreliable
mass market products. Use them for backup only if you do not
really care about your data.

That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't
see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can ever be a replacement for current DVDs.
At $10 per single layer disk, very few people will want to upgrade to
Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage. For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be
successful, the disks need to come down below $1. Possibly around fifty
cents per disks to be able to replace current disks. Just want to know
if anyone has any opinions on this.

Cuss and discuss,

Forget them. They are not made for backups or reliable storage.
Your options for that are HDDs, MODs (if low volume, very high
reliablility is needed), DVD-RAM (medium volume, medium reliability)
and archival tape. All the other stuff just gives you a false sense of
security.

Arno

John Slade wrote:

I guess every newsgroup has one... Plonk!

Beware the nym-shifted " a lot of good that will do you" response.

John Slade wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
John Slade wrote

I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD
DVD disks. It would make backing up and storing information so much
easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is single
layer DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap.

Many use hard drives for backup now and just use DVDs for archival.

That brings me to an observation. The next level of storage is the
Dual Layer DVD and it seem to be pretty much a failure as a storage
medium.

Yes, its prime advantage is 1:1 copys of manufactured DVDs.

Prices for a single DL DVD is about $1.50. That's for a good
quality disk, cheap unreliable disks can be had for about $1.25.
Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be somewhat of a
failure for storing data.

Yes, its prime advantage is 1:1 copys of manufactured DVDs.

I don't see many people backing up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

Yes, because while ever you are writing more than one DVD, it makes
sense to use the cheapest media unless there isnt much in it.

That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't
see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can ever be a replacement for current
DVDs.

Its not the sticker price that matters, its the cost per GB etc.

At $10 per single layer disk,

You cant use that price, its not mature technology yet.

very few people will want to upgrade to Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage.

Remains to be seen what the $/GB ends up at.

For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be successful, the disks
need to come down below $1.

Nope, just to about the same $/GB as SL DVDs.

Possibly around fifty cents per disks to be able to replace current
disks.

You cant ignore the only number that matters, $/GB.

Just want to know if anyone has any opinions on this.

Corse some have.

Cuss and discuss,

Bugger off.

I guess every newsgroup has one...

Yep, there are fools like you in every single one.

Lot more than one, actually...

Plonk!

Fat lot of good that will do you, plonker.

That is a jackass who is snide and thinks they know everything.

Then there's fools like you that know nothing at all.

These people tend to be boring and go into my killfile when I first hear from them.

Fat lot of good that will do you, plonker.

John Slade wrote:
I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD
DVD disks. It would make backing up and storing information so much
easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is single layer
DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap. That brings me to an observation.
The next level of storage is the Dual Layer DVD and it seem to be pretty
much a failure as a storage medium. Prices for a single DL DVD is about
$1.50. That's for a good quality disk, cheap unreliable disks can be had
for about $1.25. Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be
somewhat of a failure for storing data. I don't see many people backing
up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't
see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can ever be a replacement for current DVDs.
At $10 per single layer disk, very few people will want to upgrade to
Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage. For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be
successful, the disks need to come down below $1. Possibly around fifty
cents per disks to be able to replace current disks. Just want to know
if anyone has any opinions on this.

Cuss and discuss,

John

My trust of optical media is pretty low. Better than floppies, but not
enough better. I have been bit by compatibility problems too many times
- drives can't read each others' discs.

chrisv wrote:
John Slade wrote:

I guess every newsgroup has one... Plonk!

Beware the nym-shifted " a lot of good that will do you" response.



Yea the one in here "rob" or whatever his name is, is a rare loon.
Hardly any of these kooks actually tell you they're responding under
another name. This guy must be really pathetic trying to get someone to
pay attention to him when they don't want to. I just ignore his posts
and not respond. The key to these loons is just ignore them, don't
respond. Don't get drawn into their game. They live for the sake of
causing arguments. I actually psychiatrists could classify these people
as having a new type of mental disorder.

John

Arno Wagner wrote:
Previously John Slade wrote:
I was just salivating over the specifications of Blue-Ray and HD
DVD disks. It would make backing up and storing information so much
easier for me. As it stands the best option for me now is single layer
DVDs. They hold a lot and are cheap. That brings me to an observation.
The next level of storage is the Dual Layer DVD and it seem to be pretty
much a failure as a storage medium. Prices for a single DL DVD is about
$1.50. That's for a good quality disk, cheap unreliable disks can be had
for about $1.25. Even at these low prices, Dual Layer seems to be
somewhat of a failure for storing data. I don't see many people backing
up to DL they back up to SL DVDs.

Sorry, but DVD, Blue-ray and HD-DVD are all cheap, unreliable
mass market products. Use them for backup only if you do not
really care about your data.

You may think that but they are really reliable. If you buy the
proper quality and take proper care of CDs and DVDs, they will last
decades. If you buy cheap junk, they will develop errors. DVDs are much
less apt to get errors than CDs. A lot of people store their DVDs and
CDs in sleeves rather than cases. They can get tiny scratches that make
them hard to read. It's also good to keep them at a constant temp.


That being said, if people won't pay that much for DL DVDs I don't
see how Blue-Ray and HD DVD can ever be a replacement for current DVDs.
At $10 per single layer disk, very few people will want to upgrade to
Blue-Ray or HD DVD storage. For DL, HD DVD and Blue-Ray storage to be
successful, the disks need to come down below $1. Possibly around fifty
cents per disks to be able to replace current disks. Just want to know
if anyone has any opinions on this.

Cuss and discuss,

Forget them. They are not made for backups or reliable storage.
Your options for that are HDDs, MODs (if low volume, very high
reliablility is needed), DVD-RAM (medium volume, medium reliability)
and archival tape. All the other stuff just gives you a false sense of
security.

I've uses all those you name to success. Reliability also depends
on the user and how they use the media. I've used CDs to store data and
it's readable eight years later.

John