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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
Some of you will have seen in previous posts that I am struggling to choose
a motherboard. I am now attracted to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 - mostly cos of very favourable reviews. Being Intel P35 chip based it has a 1333Mhz FSB. Is there any point in buying this and a matched speed Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 CPU if I then buy DDR2 800 memory? I am pretty set on DDR2 rather than DDR3 cos of the huge price difference and several reviews showing that the actual application performance increase is only about 5% at most. I need a stable reliable machine for mainstream office, audio and graphics work. No gaming and I don't intend to overclock. Davy |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
Hi Davy,
The board you mention is a very good board indeed. No money wasted there. A Core 2 Duo is 'quad pumped', so the real bus speed (FSB) is: 1333MHz / 4 = 333 MHz. DDR memory (DDR1, 2 and 3) runs at 'double data rate', so with a FSB of 333Mhz, the memory wil run at 666MHz (if set to a 1:1 ratio). So your question SHOULD be: "any point in having 800MHz memory?". The answer would still be: yes! First: you are on the safe side and you have room to overclock. Second: DDR800 doesn't cost much more than DDR667 and it is highly available. Third: mostly, the timings on DDR800 memory running at 667MHz can be set very tight (CAS latency and such) and that would increase your memory performance a bit. For maximum stability: get the 800 and keep the timings at default. You are sure of having memory that can handle the FSB without any problems. And another note: memory speed isn't very important in real-life situation. The amount of memory has a much bigger impact. Better have 2GB running on 666Mhz than 1GB at 800+Mhz. And as you've mentioned yourself: DDR3 is priced way to high compared to what it gives. regards, Marcel "Davy" schreef in bericht . 109.145... Some of you will have seen in previous posts that I am struggling to choose a motherboard. I am now attracted to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 - mostly cos of very favourable reviews. Being Intel P35 chip based it has a 1333Mhz FSB. Is there any point in buying this and a matched speed Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 CPU if I then buy DDR2 800 memory? I am pretty set on DDR2 rather than DDR3 cos of the huge price difference and several reviews showing that the actual application performance increase is only about 5% at most. I need a stable reliable machine for mainstream office, audio and graphics work. No gaming and I don't intend to overclock. Davy |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
"Marcel Overweel" wrote in
A Core 2 Duo is 'quad pumped', so the real bus speed (FSB) is: 1333MHz / 4 = 333 MHz. DDR memory (DDR1, 2 and 3) runs at 'double data rate', so with a FSB of 333Mhz, the memory wil run at 666MHz (if set to a 1:1 ratio). Marcel, thanks for that; I had not understood before. So that is how I should calculate the memory speed; but what about motherboard. Intel motherboards claim FSB support of 1333/1066/800 - does this mean that they support CPU with quoted (but incorrect) FSBs of 1333/1066/800 but run at quarter speed? Thanks, Davy |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
On Apr 18, 9:29 am, Davy wrote:
Some of you will have seen in previous posts that I am struggling to choose a motherboard. I am now attracted to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 - mostly cos of very favourable reviews. Being Intel P35 chip based it has a 1333Mhz FSB. Is there any point in buying this and a matched speed Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 CPU if I then buy DDR2 800 memory? I am pretty set on DDR2 rather than DDR3 cos of the huge price difference and several reviews showing that the actual application performance increase is only about 5% at most. I need a stable reliable machine for mainstream office, audio and graphics work. No gaming and I don't intend to overclock. Davy Eenie...........Meenie...........Manny...........M o?????? |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
"Davy" wrote in message . 109.145... "Marcel Overweel" wrote in A Core 2 Duo is 'quad pumped', so the real bus speed (FSB) is: 1333MHz / 4 = 333 MHz. DDR memory (DDR1, 2 and 3) runs at 'double data rate', so with a FSB of 333Mhz, the memory wil run at 666MHz (if set to a 1:1 ratio). Marcel, thanks for that; I had not understood before. So that is how I should calculate the memory speed; but what about motherboard. Intel motherboards claim FSB support of 1333/1066/800 - does this mean that they support CPU with quoted (but incorrect) FSBs of 1333/1066/800 but run at quarter speed? Thanks, Davy The easiest way to approach this is to simply choose which CPU you want and check that it is supported by the motherboard you've chosen. Do this by visiting the mobo manufacturer's website, where you will(should!) find a CPU/motherboard compatibility list. The technicalities of how FSB speeds are variously quoted are more likely to mislead than to help, unless you want to overclock (but I see you've already ruled that out.) Marcel's reply was spot-on regarding memory. To be safe, the mobo manu's site will(should!) also have a list of known-good memory for your chosen mobo, but these are often out-of-date. If you get your memory from Crucial using the Memory adviser tool: http://www.crucial.com/uk/ and it doesn't work etc., they will replace/refund with no hassle. One last thing: Mobo BIOS may need updating to support the latest CPUs, so check with the supplier which version is supplied. It's not unknown to find yourself needing to update the BIOS before the thing will boot - a "chicken and egg" situation you'll want to avoid. HTH, -- Rob |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
"Davy" schreef in bericht . 109.145... "Marcel Overweel" wrote in A Core 2 Duo is 'quad pumped', so the real bus speed (FSB) is: 1333MHz / 4 = 333 MHz. DDR memory (DDR1, 2 and 3) runs at 'double data rate', so with a FSB of 333Mhz, the memory wil run at 666MHz (if set to a 1:1 ratio). Marcel, thanks for that; I had not understood before. So that is how I should calculate the memory speed; but what about motherboard. Intel motherboards claim FSB support of 1333/1066/800 - does this mean that they support CPU with quoted (but incorrect) FSBs of 1333/1066/800 but run at quarter speed? Thanks, Davy Nope, it only says it supports the FSB's. On other words: the chipset on the mobo is capable of running the 'communication lines' to the cpu and memory up to the (quad pumped) speed of 1333MHz. It's never easy I guess most of these 1333 boards will support all normal cpu's (not the Xeon's) up to 1333, but to be sure you have to ask your vendor or look at the specs of the specific mainboard. Marcel |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
Davy wrote:
Some of you will have seen in previous posts that I am struggling to choose a motherboard. I am now attracted to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 - mostly cos of very favourable reviews. Being Intel P35 chip based it has a 1333Mhz FSB. Is there any point in buying this and a matched speed Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 CPU if I then buy DDR2 800 memory? The GA-P35-DS4 is only reported as supporting the E8200 with the F11 BIOS onwards. Shipping boards may well have older BIOSes. This doesn't necessarily mean that it won't boot an E8200 without a BIOS upgrade, but that does happen. -- John Jordan |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
"Davy" wrote...
Some of you will have seen in previous posts that I am struggling to choose a motherboard. I am now attracted to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 - mostly cos of very favourable reviews. Being Intel P35 chip based it has a 1333Mhz FSB. Is there any point in buying this and a matched speed Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 CPU if I then buy DDR2 800 memory? I am pretty set on DDR2 rather than DDR3 cos of the huge price difference and several reviews showing that the actual application performance increase is only about 5% at most. I need a stable reliable machine for mainstream office, audio and graphics work. No gaming and I don't intend to overclock. I have the P35-DS4, and am very happy with it. I think, though, that today you might spend just a few more $$ and go for the X38-DS4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E168 13128064 Though the P35-DS4 docs claim compatibility with the 45nm CPUs, the X38 chipset was built with them in mind from the beginning. Add in the second REAL PCIe-16x slot, and you have a better upgrade path built in. The only disappointment I have with mine is the on-board Realtek audio, which never worked. That's easily solved with your choice of add-in audio cards, though. |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
"John Jordan" wrote in message ... Davy wrote: Some of you will have seen in previous posts that I am struggling to choose a motherboard. I am now attracted to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 - mostly cos of very favourable reviews. Being Intel P35 chip based it has a 1333Mhz FSB. Is there any point in buying this and a matched speed Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 CPU if I then buy DDR2 800 memory? The GA-P35-DS4 is only reported as supporting the E8200 with the F11 BIOS onwards. Shipping boards may well have older BIOSes. This doesn't necessarily mean that it won't boot an E8200 without a BIOS upgrade, but that does happen. -- John Jordan I got the GA-P35-DS3 at it states the same, reported as supporting the E8200 with the F11 mine came with F10 and it booted ok with a E8200 I then flashed to F12. I have mine overclocked to 3.2Ghz Stock cooler. I could of went far more, no need tho. and its 100% stable :-) |
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Any point in having a 1333Mhz motherboard with DDR2 800?
"Marcel Overweel" wrote:
A Core 2 Duo is 'quad pumped', so the real bus speed (FSB) is: 1333MHz / 4 = 333 MHz. DDR memory (DDR1, 2 and 3) runs at 'double data rate', so with a FSB of 333Mhz, the memory wil run at 666MHz (if set to a 1:1 ratio). That's all very useful and concise IMO, thanks |
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