AMD future

Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.
2. Using 64bit software the P4 will be even more behind.
3. The Athlon doesn't have a FSB per say... but if you want to talk in Intel
terms (i.e. 200mhz fsb quad pumped... not really 800mhz fsb) the Athlon
would be something like 1600mhz fsb.
4. The Athlon64/FX will give you better benchmark results to impress your
friends.
5. The Athlon64/FX can have the multiplier adjusted with software where as
all P4 are multiplier locked.


"The Spectre" wrote in message
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Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?




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1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.
2. Using 64bit software the P4 will be even more behind.
3. The Athlon doesn't have a FSB per say... but if you want to talk in Intel
terms (i.e. 200mhz fsb quad pumped... not really 800mhz fsb) the Athlon
would be something like 1600mhz fsb.
4. The Athlon64/FX will give you better benchmark results to impress your
friends.
5. The Athlon64/FX can have the multiplier adjusted with software where as
all P4 are multiplier locked.


"The Spectre" wrote in message
.. .
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?




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"The Spectre" wrote in message
.. .
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing

Intel and Microsoft might tend to disagree with you there, 2005 q1 intel
will release their 64 bit chips/chipsets that will work with the amd64
instruction set. Microsoft SHOULD finally roll out Win XP64 q2 of next
year

The intel P4 overclocks like mad

And they should, at the prices they charge...

A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome

If their chips did less work per clock cycle then maybee it would stay
cooler and they could keep up the gap?.. Raw MHZ isnt that important except
for synthetic benchmarks.

New P4's will have added instructions

Yea?.. SSE4? or what.. AMD64 will be their next big instruction set to add

P4 front side bus is bigger

Yea, ?

Most benchmarks show P4 ahead

Yes they do, the 3200 p4 looks like a GREAT chip.. the EE could be great too
if it wasnt so damn'd expensive.

Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

Yea, 1st quarter (maybee) for intel and 3rd quarter (maybee) for AMD..
6 months can be a huge time in the processor world so it might make a big
difference.

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

Shrug, Via is going to have quad core chips smaller than the athlons/p4's..
Microsoft is working with ibm and they are going to make their own chips
probably (New Rival?)..
New Optical Processors are working NOW and are roughly 1000 times faster
than these speedy p4's that everyone loves to brag about. 1000 times faster
means that this company has probably somewhere along the lines of 5/6 years
to shrink it down so I dont think this love for intel or amd will matter
once that happens. Lets not talk about holographic processors or single
electron processors.. There is something better around the corner all the
time.

the Athlons were far ahead of intels p4 early on and now the p4 3200 can
really do damage compared to amd systems.
But 5 unlock'd 2500+ bartons sell for the same as the p4 3200 ht

"The Spectre" wrote in message
.. .
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing

Intel and Microsoft might tend to disagree with you there, 2005 q1 intel
will release their 64 bit chips/chipsets that will work with the amd64
instruction set. Microsoft SHOULD finally roll out Win XP64 q2 of next
year

The intel P4 overclocks like mad

And they should, at the prices they charge...

A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome

If their chips did less work per clock cycle then maybee it would stay
cooler and they could keep up the gap?.. Raw MHZ isnt that important except
for synthetic benchmarks.

New P4's will have added instructions

Yea?.. SSE4? or what.. AMD64 will be their next big instruction set to add

P4 front side bus is bigger

Yea, ?

Most benchmarks show P4 ahead

Yes they do, the 3200 p4 looks like a GREAT chip.. the EE could be great too
if it wasnt so damn'd expensive.

Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

Yea, 1st quarter (maybee) for intel and 3rd quarter (maybee) for AMD..
6 months can be a huge time in the processor world so it might make a big
difference.

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

Shrug, Via is going to have quad core chips smaller than the athlons/p4's..
Microsoft is working with ibm and they are going to make their own chips
probably (New Rival?)..
New Optical Processors are working NOW and are roughly 1000 times faster
than these speedy p4's that everyone loves to brag about. 1000 times faster
means that this company has probably somewhere along the lines of 5/6 years
to shrink it down so I dont think this love for intel or amd will matter
once that happens. Lets not talk about holographic processors or single
electron processors.. There is something better around the corner all the
time.

the Athlons were far ahead of intels p4 early on and now the p4 3200 can
really do damage compared to amd systems.
But 5 unlock'd 2500+ bartons sell for the same as the p4 3200 ht

If you can afford the high end Intels then go for it. When considering bang
for the buck, I don't see how anyone could consider a Intel. Have you seen
this? http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1 It shows a
$120 P4 getting absolutely smoked by an $85 dollar Barton. In mosts of the
tests the P4 was beaten by the lowly $40 Duron.

Oh, one more thing. You can't get an Nforce chipset on an Intel. That's the
clincher for me right there.

Dave


"The Spectre" wrote in message
.. .
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

If you can afford the high end Intels then go for it. When considering bang
for the buck, I don't see how anyone could consider a Intel. Have you seen
this? http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1 It shows a
$120 P4 getting absolutely smoked by an $85 dollar Barton. In mosts of the
tests the P4 was beaten by the lowly $40 Duron.

Oh, one more thing. You can't get an Nforce chipset on an Intel. That's the
clincher for me right there.

Dave


"The Spectre" wrote in message
.. .
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

DaveL wrote:

If you can afford the high end Intels then go for it. When considering
bang
for the buck, I don't see how anyone could consider a Intel. Have you
seen
this? http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1 It shows a
$120 P4 getting absolutely smoked by an $85 dollar Barton. In mosts of
the
tests the P4 was beaten by the lowly $40 Duron.



No doubt, at the low end of "leftovers", AMD's rule. Intel chips never get
down into the sub $100 level where AMD chips sell for 6 months after they
were selling for $400+ when released. I use them for lots of machines and
they work great. For a performance machine with software you can use today,
on the high end I don't think it's the best route.

Buy the time windows 64 comes out (and linux -apps- are written for 64 bit)
you'll be able to buy an AMD64 for less than $100.
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DaveL wrote:

If you can afford the high end Intels then go for it. When considering
bang
for the buck, I don't see how anyone could consider a Intel. Have you
seen
this? http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1 It shows a
$120 P4 getting absolutely smoked by an $85 dollar Barton. In mosts of
the
tests the P4 was beaten by the lowly $40 Duron.



No doubt, at the low end of "leftovers", AMD's rule. Intel chips never get
down into the sub $100 level where AMD chips sell for 6 months after they
were selling for $400+ when released. I use them for lots of machines and
they work great. For a performance machine with software you can use today,
on the high end I don't think it's the best route.

Buy the time windows 64 comes out (and linux -apps- are written for 64 bit)
you'll be able to buy an AMD64 for less than $100.
--

Stacey

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:48 -0500, The Spectre wrote:

Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

So build your Intel system and go away.

No one needs 64 bit computing

yep, and in the late 70's no one needed 16bit, and in the 80's no one
needed 32bit. Wise up.

The intel P4 overclocks like mad

If you say so.

A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome New P4's
will have added instructions P4 front side bus is bigger Most benchmarks
show P4 ahead

I don't know what you're talking about. There's hundreds of sites that
show the P4 being put to shame by AMD's FX51. I'havent seen one that
procl;aims the P4 to be the winner.

Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

Upcoming doesn't count now and there's no data on it.

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

I know that with AMD, you get what you pay for and more. With Intel, you
pay for name and the blue people and don't get much for your money. $1000
will get you the new P4EE. Go for it, it's not my money.:-)

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