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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
I hope this is not too much of a dumb Q, but is there a way to find out if
BOTH cores of a CPU are working properly, correctly, or even @ all? I am running a Black Ed. 6400+ (NEVER clocked or any other 'teasings' done) w/ a AC Freezer 64 Pro sitting atop it. It is just my PC seems way to slow for what I built & I am just know kind of realizing it ... PC personally built back in March w/ ALL new hardware from Newegg & Crucial. =) Thank you for any direction someone may be able to point me in. Sniper NY (No, not the city) .. -- __________________________________________________ _____ There is no right or wrong, just the consequences of your actions ... |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:04:31 -0500, Sniper wrote:
I hope this is not too much of a dumb Q, but is there a way to find out if BOTH cores of a CPU are working properly, correctly, or even @ all? I am running a Black Ed. 6400+ (NEVER clocked or any other 'teasings' done) w/ a AC Freezer 64 Pro sitting atop it. It is just my PC seems way to slow for what I built & I am just know kind of realizing it ... PC personally built back in March w/ ALL new hardware from Newegg & Crucial. =) What OS? if you're running Linux type 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'. That will give you current speed and a bunch of other things. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
Sniper wrote:
I hope this is not too much of a dumb Q, but is there a way to find out if BOTH cores of a CPU are working properly, correctly, or even @ all? I am running a Black Ed. 6400+ (NEVER clocked or any other 'teasings' done) w/ a AC Freezer 64 Pro sitting atop it. It is just my PC seems way to slow for what I built & I am just know kind of realizing it ... PC personally built back in March w/ ALL new hardware from Newegg & Crucial. =) Thank you for any direction someone may be able to point me in. Sniper NY (No, not the city) If the OS is Windows, you can check the specifics with CPUZ. Here is a 6400+ screen shot. http://computermonger.com/wp-content.../cpuz_6400.png CPUZ is here. http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php If you disable Cool N' Quiet, that makes the processor use the top multiplier all the time. The Black Edition is supposed to have an unlocked multiplier (for easy overclocking), but you should still check the BIOS to make sure the processor is being properly recognized. Check that the motherboard BIOS version is recent enough to recognize a 6400+ properly. Cool N' Quiet works by reducing the FID and VID when the computer is idle. When you're doing something compute intensive, then it would use the x16 multiplier value. When the computer is idle, the multiplier can be reprogrammed to a lower value. That helps keep the processor cooler when the power is not needed. The VID (Vcore voltage) is adjusted around the same time that the multiplier is changed. A lower voltage can be used when the multiplier drops. They aren't exactly in lockstep, because the multiplier would drop first, and then the Vcore value is reduced a few microseconds afterwards. When you have an Athlon64 on Windows, there are things like the "CPU driver" to install. The exact recipe might depend on the Service Pack level of the OS. This thread was an attempt to gather the necessary info. I recommend reading the posts at the end of the thread first, to get some idea what is needed for SP3. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 For multiplier control while in Windows, I used CrystalCPUID with my Core2. AFAIK it should work with the 6400+ as well. I found it to be a bit easier to use. http://crystaldew.info/category/software/crystalcpuid/ http://crystalmark.info/download/ --- CrystalCPUID415.zip RMClock is another tool that allows defining a power profile and FID/VID settings. It is worth getting just for the graphical display, even if you cannot figure out what to do with the rest of it :-) http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml HTH, Paul |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
Windows XP Home.
Antec NEOPOWER 500W PSU. ATI HD 2600 graphics ... |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
Windows XP Home.
Antec NEOPower 500W PS ATI HD 2600 Pro .. |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
CPU(z) ID Screens are nearly identical. So I feel good there.
The CrystalCPUID website is a 'mess' ... I am @ a loss as to how navigate it., DL a prog, anything for that matter. I checked my BIOS. Cool n' Quiet is set to AUTO. The only other option is 'Disable'. I manually set the multiplier to x16 & everything booted nicely. My PC @ a glance ... parolly more info than anyone needs to know, but I'll try to KISS. AMD 6400+ Black w/ Artic Colling's Freezer 64 Pro 92cm w/ Artic Silver 5 Therm Paste Asus M2A-VM BIOS = Pheonix Tech, Ltd. Some long alpha-numeric sequence ending in "Revision 1705" & Date = 03/28/2008 *** IDK why, but I am scared to death to F w/ Flashing the BIOS to a newer version; that is if one is available, I should check, I know how to do that.*** Crucial 2GB )2x1GB) Ballistix PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Antec NEOPOWER 500W PS - modular 2x Samsung SH-223S (SATA) Main HDD = Hitachi Deskstar 300GB, 7200 (SATA) Secondary HDD - Seagate 'Cuda 500GB, 7200 (SATA) - BOTH HDDs are 3GB/s. Sapphire ATI HD 2600 Pro (graphics) 128MB 128-bit ... Creative Blaster Audigy SE 24k LogiSYS 10/100/1000 Ethernet PCI card ... Logitech G11 Keybord & MX510 Mousie Logitech 2.1 Z-4s GREAT ventilation systemw w/ a Cooler Mater Elite 330 case w/ additional high RPM intake & outtake fans (I LOVE this case) & I run Norton 360 to protect everything ... seems to work flawlessly for me .... Not much more I can think of ... Btw, might anyone think I pick't some decent parts? I will fully admit that Intel & Nvidia likely may have better parts, but I am an AMD & ATI Fanboy throught & through ... Ugh, I will stop here ... "Paul" wrote in message ... Sniper wrote: I hope this is not too much of a dumb Q, but is there a way to find out if BOTH cores of a CPU are working properly, correctly, or even @ all? I am running a Black Ed. 6400+ (NEVER clocked or any other 'teasings' done) w/ a AC Freezer 64 Pro sitting atop it. It is just my PC seems way to slow for what I built & I am just know kind of realizing it ... PC personally built back in March w/ ALL new hardware from Newegg & Crucial. =) Thank you for any direction someone may be able to point me in. Sniper NY (No, not the city) If the OS is Windows, you can check the specifics with CPUZ. Here is a 6400+ screen shot. http://computermonger.com/wp-content.../cpuz_6400.png CPUZ is here. http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php If you disable Cool N' Quiet, that makes the processor use the top multiplier all the time. The Black Edition is supposed to have an unlocked multiplier (for easy overclocking), but you should still check the BIOS to make sure the processor is being properly recognized. Check that the motherboard BIOS version is recent enough to recognize a 6400+ properly. Cool N' Quiet works by reducing the FID and VID when the computer is idle. When you're doing something compute intensive, then it would use the x16 multiplier value. When the computer is idle, the multiplier can be reprogrammed to a lower value. That helps keep the processor cooler when the power is not needed. The VID (Vcore voltage) is adjusted around the same time that the multiplier is changed. A lower voltage can be used when the multiplier drops. They aren't exactly in lockstep, because the multiplier would drop first, and then the Vcore value is reduced a few microseconds afterwards. When you have an Athlon64 on Windows, there are things like the "CPU driver" to install. The exact recipe might depend on the Service Pack level of the OS. This thread was an attempt to gather the necessary info. I recommend reading the posts at the end of the thread first, to get some idea what is needed for SP3. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 For multiplier control while in Windows, I used CrystalCPUID with my Core2. AFAIK it should work with the 6400+ as well. I found it to be a bit easier to use. http://crystaldew.info/category/software/crystalcpuid/ http://crystalmark.info/download/ --- CrystalCPUID415.zip RMClock is another tool that allows defining a power profile and FID/VID settings. It is worth getting just for the graphical display, even if you cannot figure out what to do with the rest of it :-) http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml HTH, Paul |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:59:26 -0500, Sniper wrote:
AMD 6400+ Black w/ Artic Colling's Freezer 64 Pro 92cm w/ Artic Silver 5 Therm Paste Asus M2A-VM The AMD 6400+ is not listed as supported on that motherboard: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...l=M2A-VM&os=17 BIOS = Pheonix Tech, Ltd. Some long alpha-numeric sequence ending in "Revision 1705" & Date = 03/28/2008 *** IDK why, but I am scared to death to F w/ Flashing the BIOS to a newer version; that is if one is available, I should check, I know how to do that.*** Bios version 2201 is the latest for that board. Don't ASUS supply a utility for updating the bios from within Windows? I'd be a bit wary though since the 6400+ is not listed and version 2101 has a fix for detecting the cache on the 6500+ there is always the chance that things will go loopy with an update. Check that you can save the current Bios so that you can go back to it. -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
Sniper wrote:
CPU(z) ID Screens are nearly identical. So I feel good there. The CrystalCPUID website is a 'mess' ... I am @ a loss as to how navigate it., DL a prog, anything for that matter. I checked my BIOS. Cool n' Quiet is set to AUTO. The only other option is 'Disable'. I manually set the multiplier to x16 & everything booted nicely. My PC @ a glance ... parolly more info than anyone needs to know, but I'll try to KISS. AMD 6400+ Black w/ Artic Colling's Freezer 64 Pro 92cm w/ Artic Silver 5 Therm Paste Asus M2A-VM BIOS = Pheonix Tech, Ltd. Some long alpha-numeric sequence ending in "Revision 1705" & Date = 03/28/2008 *** IDK why, but I am scared to death to F w/ Flashing the BIOS to a newer version; that is if one is available, I should check, I know how to do that.*** Crucial 2GB )2x1GB) Ballistix PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Antec NEOPOWER 500W PS - modular 2x Samsung SH-223S (SATA) Main HDD = Hitachi Deskstar 300GB, 7200 (SATA) Secondary HDD - Seagate 'Cuda 500GB, 7200 (SATA) - BOTH HDDs are 3GB/s. Sapphire ATI HD 2600 Pro (graphics) 128MB 128-bit ... Creative Blaster Audigy SE 24k LogiSYS 10/100/1000 Ethernet PCI card ... Logitech G11 Keybord & MX510 Mousie Logitech 2.1 Z-4s GREAT ventilation systemw w/ a Cooler Mater Elite 330 case w/ additional high RPM intake & outtake fans (I LOVE this case) & I run Norton 360 to protect everything ... seems to work flawlessly for me ... Not much more I can think of ... Btw, might anyone think I pick't some decent parts? I will fully admit that Intel & Nvidia likely may have better parts, but I am an AMD & ATI Fanboy throught & through ... Ugh, I will stop here ... I think I forgot to use the English button. The page may be easier to read now. Click the exe link, and the current release of the program will be fetched from http://release.crystaldew.info/CrystalCPUID http://crystalmark.info/download/index-e.html CrystalCPUID * exe [x86 Vista/2003/XP/2000/NT4/Me/98/95 en/ja] * ... * ... Using that interface, you end up downloading the CrystalCPUID415.zip file. http://release.crystaldew.info/index.php?dir=abcd/ Anyway, that program allows multiplier changes in Windows, but it takes some screwing around to use it. So if the processor core is running at 3200MHz, it should be fast. Try SuperPI and see what you get. http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/ http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/super_pi_mod-1.5.zip You unzip and execute the EXE. Click "Calculate". Select 1 million digits from the menu. On my Core2 (with a pretty slow motherboard), I get 24 seconds at 2.6GHz and 18 seconds or so at 3.46GHz. Use SuperPI to see what kind of numbers you get. While SuperPI is running, you can also observe the graphical display in RMClock, to see if the frequency or something else is changing. It might change if Cool N' Quiet is completely enabled. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...n999/power.jpg Paul |
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Problems w/ a Dual Core 6400+ ???
Rodney Pont wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:59:26 -0500, Sniper wrote: AMD 6400+ Black w/ Artic Colling's Freezer 64 Pro 92cm w/ Artic Silver 5 Therm Paste Asus M2A-VM The AMD 6400+ is not listed as supported on that motherboard: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...l=M2A-VM&os=17 BIOS = Pheonix Tech, Ltd. Some long alpha-numeric sequence ending in "Revision 1705" & Date = 03/28/2008 *** IDK why, but I am scared to death to F w/ Flashing the BIOS to a newer version; that is if one is available, I should check, I know how to do that.*** Bios version 2201 is the latest for that board. Don't ASUS supply a utility for updating the bios from within Windows? I'd be a bit wary though since the 6400+ is not listed and version 2101 has a fix for detecting the cache on the 6500+ there is always the chance that things will go loopy with an update. Check that you can save the current Bios so that you can go back to it. That's a good point (I missed that). That CPUSupport list has nothing that draws more than 95W. The 6400+ is a 125W processor. There is a chance of blowing the Vcore regulator. Using that same CPUSupport page, you can search for motherboards that really support the 6400+. And Asus has a separate page, where they show a generation of boards that corrects for the mistakes they made previously. A number of manufacturers made boards with weak Vcore regulators, and Anandtech featured a short article, where they damaged some before checking out the equivalent of the CPUSupport web page for the boards. The fact there is nothing above 95W on the CPUSupport web page, is how you tell the Vcore is weak. http://event.asus.com/mb/140w/ Paul |
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