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Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I have the right stick?



 
 
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Old June 16th 07, 11:01 AM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
Another Dave
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I havethe right stick?

Jonathan wrote:

However, what arrived in the envelope was non only unbranded (which I
expected - when 2Gb of RAM is £66 inc postage with the google
discount, I wasn't worried at first!). On the back of the RAM is
"Middle East Memory Ltd" and the email address


Memory is the only thing I never buy cheap. Buy the stuff from Crucial
that they recommend.

I regard my time (even leisure time) as valuable; wasting hours fiddling
around with dodgy memory for the sake of 10 or 20 pounds isn't worth it.

ebuyer are happy to take them back as faulty, but is it something I'm
doing wrong?


Yes - buying Ebuyer memory. Get your money back and start again. I went
through exactly what you're doing - never again

Another Dave.

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Old June 16th 07, 05:21 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I have the right stick?

In article , John Jordan says...
Conor wrote:
In article , John Jordan says...

but with Crucial you have no way of
knowing what you're going to get.


Pick up the phone and ring the 0800 number...


I guess that might be useful if you were trying to get single-sided
sticks in preference to double sided, but it's still ridiculous that
they don't put the information on their online specs.

Shouldn't matter as the aim of the game is compatibility and if you use
the selector tool, that's what you'll get.


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Old June 16th 07, 08:33 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know Ihave the right stick?

Another Dave wrote:
Memory is the only thing I never buy cheap. Buy the stuff from Crucial that
they recommend.

I regard my time (even leisure time) as valuable; wasting hours fiddling
around with dodgy memory for the sake of 10 or 20 pounds isn't worth it.


Dave, I would agree, except I'd want to go further.

If you have dodgy memory in a PC, and you use an operating system that
writes to media (which is sort of common), then it's quite possible for
the dodgy memory to make the OS write nonsense over anything on that
media.

If you have data on a PC, and it's not backed up, you don't really have
it. You certainly don't if the memory is dodgy.

So even if your time isn't worth £20, is your data worth that much?

Been there, done that, found out how good my backups were¹. I've now got
ECC memory from Crucial...

James.

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they were, so I couldn't download them), Good Enough.

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Old June 16th 07, 11:28 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I havethe right stick?

Conor wrote:
In article , John Jordan says...


I guess that might be useful if you were trying to get single-sided
sticks in preference to double sided, but it's still ridiculous that
they don't put the information on their online specs.


Shouldn't matter as the aim of the game is compatibility and if you use
the selector tool, that's what you'll get.


I don't think they take account of the DS/SS issue - I can recall a case
where they sent Johannes a pair of double-sided 512MB sticks when
single-sided sticks may well have worked.


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Old June 17th 07, 07:24 AM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I have the right stick?

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:01:27 +0100, Conor wrote:

In article .com,
Jonathan says...

I found the Crucial Scanner thing http://www.crucial.com/uk/systemscanner/index.asp
but it only wanted to recommend Ballistix sticks, or kits with parts
that ebuyer didn't have.
Bearing in mind the memory is going to have to go back to ebuyer, can
you please let me know what to search on?
I used the memory finder tool at http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/list...x?model=MD8083
which recommended a CT434183 stick, but ebuyer don't have that part.
There's this, though: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/65719/rb/0 -
but again, it doesn't say how many chips, just that it's called
CRUCIAL 1GB DDR PC3200 400MHz 184-PIN UNBUFF 128MX64 Memory

Buy your memory from Crucial. Get the stuff the scanner recommends. It
is a no quibble money back guarantee if it doesn't work and it also has
a lifetime guarantee.


I recently bought the recommended memory for a Shuttle SN41G2 from Crucial
using the selector. It looks to be the same spec as above. Whilst it
worked fine I had the reassurance of the guarantee. Downside is it cost
£98. I'm sure with more research I'd could have purchased suitable RAM for
less than £50. I'm still trying to convince myself it was worth paying
double for the no quibble guarantee.


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Old June 17th 07, 12:24 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
Conor
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I have the right stick?

In article , John Jordan says...
Conor wrote:
In article , John Jordan says...


I guess that might be useful if you were trying to get single-sided
sticks in preference to double sided, but it's still ridiculous that
they don't put the information on their online specs.


Shouldn't matter as the aim of the game is compatibility and if you use
the selector tool, that's what you'll get.


I don't think they take account of the DS/SS issue - I can recall a case
where they sent Johannes a pair of double-sided 512MB sticks when
single-sided sticks may well have worked.

Yes they do take account of the DS/SS issue. Why do you think Johannes
would benefit from having SS over DS? Do you think it makes any
difference?

I think you're trying to find a problem with something above your
technical competency.


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Old June 17th 07, 12:27 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
Conor
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I have the right stick?

In article , Dean
says...

I recently bought the recommended memory for a Shuttle SN41G2 from Crucial
using the selector. It looks to be the same spec as above. Whilst it
worked fine I had the reassurance of the guarantee. Downside is it cost
£98. I'm sure with more research I'd could have purchased suitable RAM for
less than £50. I'm still trying to convince myself it was worth paying
double for the no quibble guarantee.

Well when you're building systems, you only need to build a handful and
have all the problems generic RAM from Scan/Aria/et al seem to always
have and you'll buy Crucial every time. Generic RAM either doesn't work
or fails within 12-18 months - most of that is because the cheaper
stuff uses chips recovered from faulty DIMMS in manufacture.

Crucial RAM is NOT that much more than generic. It's certainly within a
couple of quid and if you're just buying RAM, then the lack of a £6.95
+VAT postage charge makes it cheaper. I have yet in 8 years of
commercial building to have any problems with Crucial RAM whatsoever.
For me, that's worth the extra money.


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Old June 17th 07, 04:18 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I havethe right stick?

Conor wrote:

Yes they do take account of the DS/SS issue. Why do you think Johannes
would benefit from having SS over DS? Do you think it makes any
difference?


For DDR400 at least, the more sides or ranks you have in a channel, the
less likely it is to work at SPD speeds and timings. This is explicitly
stated in AMD's Athlon 64 technical specs, and is also true for other
memory controllers. DDR400 was always a borderline technology.

Because all recent DDR chipsets support 512mbit chip density, the 512MB
PC3200 sticks with the best overall compatibility are single sided,
8-chip. Crucial just sent me 8 or 16 chip sticks at random, as far as I
can tell.


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Old June 17th 07, 04:37 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
John Jordan
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I havethe right stick?

Conor wrote:

Well when you're building systems, you only need to build a handful and
have all the problems generic RAM from Scan/Aria/et al seem to always
have and you'll buy Crucial every time. Generic RAM either doesn't work
or fails within 12-18 months - most of that is because the cheaper
stuff uses chips recovered from faulty DIMMS in manufacture.

Crucial RAM is NOT that much more than generic. It's certainly within a
couple of quid and if you're just buying RAM, then the lack of a £6.95
+VAT postage charge makes it cheaper.


Crucial charge 50 quid atm for a 1GB PC3200 stick compared to ~35 quid
for an unbranded stick, so I guess it's tempting. I've been through the
generic RAM business though, and I agree that it's not worth it.

Other branded memory at least doesn't have the cell and PCB faults of
generic memory, but Crucial has better single-stick compatibility IME
than Corsair, Kingston or OCZ.


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Old June 17th 07, 04:51 PM posted to uk.comp.vendors,uk.comp.homebuilt
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Default Ebuyer unbranded memory doesn't work - how do I even know I have the right stick?

On 2007-06-17, John Jordan wrote:
Conor wrote:

Yes they do take account of the DS/SS issue. Why do you think Johannes
would benefit from having SS over DS? Do you think it makes any
difference?


For DDR400 at least, the more sides or ranks you have in a channel, the
less likely it is to work at SPD speeds and timings. This is explicitly
stated in AMD's Athlon 64 technical specs, and is also true for other
memory controllers. DDR400 was always a borderline technology.

Because all recent DDR chipsets support 512mbit chip density, the 512MB
PC3200 sticks with the best overall compatibility are single sided,
8-chip. Crucial just sent me 8 or 16 chip sticks at random, as far as I
can tell.


I think sides != ranks. Rank is the important thing. Sides is not so
relevant. Happy to be corrected.

Lordy


 




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