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Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U in W7?
I have inherited an oldie - the Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U
(?circa 2002?). It seems complete, and works pretty good. It came without any drivers which seem to be needed to upload recorded video and/or pictures to a PC. I found drivers which work okay on my PC in XP, but not on my other PC in W7: http://members.driverguide.com/match...VC+USB+Ver.1.0 I cannot find any drivers for W7. Anyone know of any? I have emailedSharp, but no response. Thanks JW |
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Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U in W7?
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I have inherited an oldie - the Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U (?circa 2002?). It seems complete, and works pretty good. It came without any drivers which seem to be needed to upload recorded video and/or pictures to a PC. I found drivers which work okay on my PC in XP, but not on my other PC in W7: http://members.driverguide.com/match...VC+USB+Ver.1.0 I cannot find any drivers for W7. Anyone know of any? I have emailedSharp, but no response. Thanks JW The DV interface is Firewire aka IEEE1394. You can record from that interface. I recommend a four wire connection, rather than six wire, so there is no danger of computer power, blowing out the Firewire port on the camcorder. It almost looks like the DV interface is four wire anyway, so you don't have a say in the matter, and only a safe connection can be made. VL-NZ150U http://files.sharpusa.com/Downloads/...z100u_150u.pdf This cable gets you from DV iLink port, to Firewire. This is a 6 pin to 4 pin, which means two pins on the six pin end aren't actually wired to anything. Only four of the six pins are used, on both ends. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA3SD1JG8671 The Firewire pins are VBUS,GND,A+,A-,B+,B-. The first two are optional, and provide power to peripherals. The A pair and B pair are transmit and receive differential interfaces, for the actual data transmission. On the DV port on your camera, it just has A+,A-,B+,B- for connecting to Firewire on some computer. Firewire cards for desktop computers can be purchased separately, if you don't happen to have a four or six pin Firewire port. You want to make sure the adapter cable you buy, fits the card you add to the computer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815150074 ******* The camcorder a bit of a *******ized design, with what looks like separated subsystems. sensor --+-- SD_card_photos_only --- USB mass storage to fetch photos | +-- Cassette_tape_video --- DV_Firewire_Out You can pull the SD card, and use a USB to SD adapter if you want. WinXP or later should have a USB Mass Storage driver already for that purpose. I like ones with fewer interfaces on them, in the hope of getting a better quality connector. This one does SD and microSD. The one I own, just does SD. It's quite possible, you don't need any USB driver from camcorder to USB, on WinXP or later. So using this adapter would be purely optional. The camcorder should already be doing USB mass storage. But if it isn't, this kind of adapter can help. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/20-208-470-Z05?$S640$ The Firewire protocol stack uses SBP-2 for disk drives. For video recording, the protocol is "61883". Both of these protocols should be built-in, on a WinXP or later computer. You generally press "Play" on the camcorder, so the protocol is live on the camera end, then attempt recording on the computer a fraction of a second later. Something like that. I've never had to do this. Recording is real-time, so transferring a half hour of video, takes a half hour over Firewire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_61883 Paul |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:09:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
The DV interface is Firewire aka IEEE1394. You can record from that interface. I recommend a four wire connection, rather than six wire, so there is no danger of computer power, blowing out the Firewire port on the camcorder. It almost looks like the DV interface is four wire anyway, so you don't have a say in the matter, and only a safe connection can be made. VL-NZ150U http://files.sharpusa.com/Downloads/...z100u_150u.pdf I have this manual in a pdf and I see on page 51 it shows the IEEE cable for video editing. As it happens, I got a lot of extras with the camcorder, including said cable. Looks the same. I have already successfully uploaded jpegs from the camcorder to my XP PC. I downloaded a working set of USB drivers to provide that. I assume that I can upload video the same way? I have AVS4YOU video-editor on that PC. I have not tried to upload a video clip from the camcorder to the XP PC. Plan to do that later today or tomorrow. However, as I said, the USB drivers do not work on my W7 PC. So I was hoping that someone might know if they even exist and wherefrom - considering the age of the camcorder. May not. I did email Sharp to no avail. As yet anyway. Weekend now. Are you saying that the camcorder will only upload video from its cassette to the PC using Fireware (and not USB)? I did not anticipate that. Sounds like it. sensor --+-- SD_card_photos_only --- USB mass storage to fetch photos | +-- Cassette_tape_video --- DV_Firewire_Out Thanks JW This cable gets you from DV iLink port, to Firewire. This is a 6 pin to 4 pin, which means two pins on the six pin end aren't actually wired to anything. Only four of the six pins are used, on both ends. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA3SD1JG8671 The Firewire pins are VBUS,GND,A+,A-,B+,B-. The first two are optional, and provide power to peripherals. The A pair and B pair are transmit and receive differential interfaces, for the actual data transmission. On the DV port on your camera, it just has A+,A-,B+,B- for connecting to Firewire on some computer. Firewire cards for desktop computers can be purchased separately, if you don't happen to have a four or six pin Firewire port. You want to make sure the adapter cable you buy, fits the card you add to the computer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815150074 ******* The camcorder a bit of a *******ized design, with what looks like separated subsystems. sensor --+-- SD_card_photos_only --- USB mass storage to fetch photos | +-- Cassette_tape_video --- DV_Firewire_Out You can pull the SD card, and use a USB to SD adapter if you want. WinXP or later should have a USB Mass Storage driver already for that purpose. I like ones with fewer interfaces on them, in the hope of getting a better quality connector. This one does SD and microSD. The one I own, just does SD. It's quite possible, you don't need any USB driver from camcorder to USB, on WinXP or later. So using this adapter would be purely optional. The camcorder should already be doing USB mass storage. But if it isn't, this kind of adapter can help. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/20-208-470-Z05?$S640$ The Firewire protocol stack uses SBP-2 for disk drives. For video recording, the protocol is "61883". Both of these protocols should be built-in, on a WinXP or later computer. You generally press "Play" on the camcorder, so the protocol is live on the camera end, then attempt recording on the computer a fraction of a second later. Something like that. I've never had to do this. Recording is real-time, so transferring a half hour of video, takes a half hour over Firewire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_61883 Paul |
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Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U in W7?
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:35:23 -0400, Paul wrote:
wrote: I have this manual in a pdf and I see on page 51 it shows the IEEE cable for video editing. As it happens, I got a lot of extras with the camcorder, including said cable. Looks the same. I have already successfully uploaded jpegs from the camcorder to my XP PC. I downloaded a working set of USB drivers to provide that. I assume that I can upload video the same way? I have AVS4YOU video-editor on that PC. I have not tried to upload a video clip from the camcorder to the XP PC. Plan to do that later today or tomorrow. However, as I said, the USB drivers do not work on my W7 PC. So I was hoping that someone might know if they even exist and wherefrom - considering the age of the camcorder. May not. I did email Sharp to no avail. As yet anyway. Weekend now. Are you saying that the camcorder will only upload video from its cassette to the PC using Fireware (and not USB)? I did not anticipate that. Sounds like it. sensor --+-- SD_card_photos_only --- USB mass storage to fetch photos | +-- Cassette_tape_video --- DV_Firewire_Out Thanks JW I'm reading the manual, just like you, and so my interpretation is just a guess. I don't see any evidence the unit is unified, and "any interface can access any storage facility". It looks to me like the cassette is hooked to firewire, and the SD photo card is hooked to USB. While the camcorder is hooked to USB on the working computer, you could look at the drivers used and so on, to see if they're standard ones that came with the OS. You look in Device Manager, for those details (Start : Run : devmgmt.msc). For example, Intel used to distribute an INFINST driver, with a "USB driver" in it. But all the Intel driver did was: 1) Assign an Intel branded name to an entry in Device Manager. That is just a text string at the bottom of the INF file. 2) Call the standard Microsoft INF file, to do the rest of the installation. An "include" call to USBPORT.INF. In other words, the driver was doing nothing special. And whether you would expect anything special, depends on whether the product is "steered by USB" or it is just file transfer. For file transfer, the USB Mass Storage (or later, MTP protocol) is used to move images. But if the camera "Play", "Record", "Stop" were accessible over USB, then the USB driver would be "custom" and absolutely essential. Given the chopped up nature of the design, and the fact it is not unified, my guess is the USB is just the "mass storage" flavor. Typically, they distribute a USB driver for Win98 users for such cases, whereas later OSes are likely to work with just the built-in OS drivers. Windows 7 would be the same, and have similar functions to the WinXP ones on USB. ******* Another way to check out the camera, is with Uwe's utility. You can run USBTreeView when the camera is plugged into the USB port. The utility is modeled after USBView and UVCView utilities. http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html The "config" space for the USB device will attempt to bury you in data... Some examples here. http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1511...torage-device/ In "Interface Descriptor", this is the one that caught my eye. bInterfaceClass: 0x08 And this decoder table tells me the device in the MSFN example is USB mass storage. http://www.usb.org/developers/defined_class 08h Interface Mass Storage The driver for accessing "08h" devices is already in the OS, for Win2K/WinXP/Vista/Win7/Win8. For Win98, you need a separate driver. For decoding other parameters in the USBTreeView, try this page. http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb5.shtml HTH, Paul I made a quick try, using the IEEE cable from camcoder to my XP PC. It uploaded a short WMV video clip I recorded quite nicely, including audio. Now, if I could only get it to work on my W7 PC. This may just be another reason to keep my XP around. Thanks JW |
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Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U in W7?
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:42:35 -0400, wrote: I made a quick try, using the IEEE cable from camcoder to my XP PC. It uploaded a short WMV video clip I recorded quite nicely, including audio. Now, if I could only get it to work on my W7 PC. This may just be another reason to keep my XP around. I haven't seen you say that your W7 PC has a FireWire port. If indeed there's no FireWire port on the W7 machine, then I can say with confidence that you won't be able to load the video from the camcorder. If the Windows 7 machine had a 1394a port (for the cable in question), then the driver stack appears to share some common features with the older stack. It still has a 61883. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx What's missing I thought, was they removed Firewire networking stack. At one time, you could connect two PCs with a Firewire cable, and the machines would be assigned IP addresses as if it was Ethernet. There were even provisions for MAC addresses. But since nobody seemed to use that, it got removed (not implemented) in later OSes. But people still transfer video over Firewire, as well as run high-end audio workstations via Firewire, so there is still some usage of the other stacks. As well as SBP2 for disk drives. My Firewire disk enclosure is so old, it is limited to 137GB or less hard drives. And doesn't get used any more. Paul |
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Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U in W7?
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:27:38 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: I haven't seen you say that your W7 PC has a FireWire port. If indeed there's no FireWire port on the W7 machine, then I can say with confidence that you won't be able to load the video from the camcorder. Agreed Yes I have an added 3-port firewire PCI card added, reflected in W7 Device Manager. JW |
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Sharp Camcorder VL-NZ159U in W7?
In message , Paul
writes: [] file transfer. For file transfer, the USB Mass Storage (or later, MTP protocol) is used to move images. But [] Is "MTP protocol" an example of PNS syndrome? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I remember a lot of questions on a vocalist forum about the problems singing "There is a balm in Gilead" without making it sound like a security alert. - Linda Fox in UMRA, 2010-11-19 |
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