If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
Never anonymous Bud wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:47:16 GMT, "tony" wrote: What can I say, I like silent drives. Can't have that with a Seagate. Can with Maxtor. Even if it were true that Maxtors fail more often, I'd rather replace twice as often than listen to a Seagate popcorn machine inside of my PC. Seagate, Hitachi, and WD all had drives cooler than Maxtor. In fact, a Maxtor was the HOTTEST drive tested... http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/10/...rld/page8.html And a different test, more drives, SAME results.. http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/09/...nd/page35.html And a different site, now the Maxtors with lowest AND highest temps, AND loudest drives (spread from quietest to loudest is only 5db!)! http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sho...px?i=2577&p=14 Trouble with this sort of test is you really need a spread of, say, 20 of each identical model to get a good indication. I've had two identical Maxtors manufactured at the same site on the same day, running together with temperatures probably as much as 15 deg Centigrade difference. Even with my Seagate drives, there can be a significant temp. difference. (Lying on a clean, open surface, about 6cm from each other with no real external influences.) Odie -- Retrodata www.retrodata.co.uk Globally Local Data Recovery Experts |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
"J. Clarke" writes:
If you investigate I believe that you will find that Seagate sets their SATA drives on max performance and their PATA drives on min noise. They don't "disable the acoustic management features", they just don't let you adjust them. I doubt that any other drive vendor does these days either after the Seagate lawsuit. What's this lawsuit about? WRT patents and all, won't Seagate get access to all the patents and licenses that Maxtor has? Kai -- Kai Harrekilde-Petersen khp(at)harrekilde(dot)dk |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
Never anonymous Bud wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:22 GMT, "tony" wrote: Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives: will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have. will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates. will run as hot as the Seagates. will fail as often as the Seagates. will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates. Complete bull****, and based on experience with MANY drives over the past few years. ONLY Maxtors have died on me. Died Early, and died HARD! I've had bad luck with Maxtors in recent years as well. I buy WD now. |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:22 GMT, "tony" wrote:
"YKhan" wrote in message oups.com... Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction. Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives: will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have. will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates. will run as hot as the Seagates. will fail as often as the Seagates. will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates. What utter rubbish - none of your noise complaints have any merit at all; every drive is different and you can get a dud or a slightly noisier one from any mfr - the WD I got recently drones/throbs like an old radial engine and can be felt through the case. The Seagate I got to replace it is slightly noisier than other Seagates I've seen/heard but nothing obtrusive... silent compared with *that* WD example. The only Maxtor I've bought in the last few years is long dead. Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed. Hey at least if/when it does go, with Seagate in control you might get an easy RMA procedure - Seagate allows the entire process on-line, including diags; Maxtor tells you to get in the 'phone queue. -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
Kai Harrekilde-Petersen wrote:
"J. Clarke" writes: If you investigate I believe that you will find that Seagate sets their SATA drives on max performance and their PATA drives on min noise. They don't "disable the acoustic management features", they just don't let you adjust them. I doubt that any other drive vendor does these days either after the Seagate lawsuit. What's this lawsuit about? Google "convolve seagate". Some outfit called "Convolve" showed Seagate some acoustic management technology including a control panel allowing end-users to change the acoustic management settings under software control. Seagate incorporated acoustic management in their drives about the same time. Convolve is claiming that Seagate stole their idea. Currently the suit seems to have been stalled for about a year now while Convolve tries to weasel out of revealing certain information requested by Seagate's lawyers. WRT patents and all, won't Seagate get access to all the patents and licenses that Maxtor has? Maxtor does not own Convolve, which in 2001 was awarded a patent for the technology in question. Kai -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
chrisv wrote:
Never anonymous Bud wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:22 GMT, "tony" wrote: Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives: will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have. will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates. will run as hot as the Seagates. will fail as often as the Seagates. will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates. Complete bull****, and based on experience with MANY drives over the past few years. ONLY Maxtors have died on me. Died Early, and died HARD! I've had bad luck with Maxtors in recent years as well. I buy WD now. I ran into a lot of bad drives in the DiamondMax 9 series - about a third of the 112 drives I bought (a single purchase) failed within the first month. With such a high failure rate, I had several situations where the replacement of a replacement drive failed. I was lucky to have a good relationship with the vendor who let me exchange them all for Seagate drives. However, that experience doesn't bias me against Maxtor because over the years I have also been in similar situations with 3.5" PATA and SATA drives from IBM, Hitachi, Fujitsu, and Seagate. Every drive manufacturer seems to crank out a bad product line every decade or so. Samsung is missing from my list above - possibly only because I have never really used non-laptop Samsung drives in any significant quantity. I also vaguely recall using a small batch of ??? Sony ??? hard drives 15+ years ago that had died like flies. Not really sure of the brand - just something I would associate more with non-computer electronics than with computers. Mitsubishi maybe ? |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... tony wrote Arno Wagner wrote What can I say, I like silent drives. Can't have that with a Seagate. Can with Maxtor. Even if it were true that Maxtors fail more often, I'd rather replace twice as often than listen to a Seagate popcorn machine inside of my PC. If quiet is the issue, go Samsung. They are the quietest drives on the market. BTW, I have yet to get a quiet Maxtor, but I stopped buying them about 2 years ago. Have they changed? Well now is becoming the time to investigate other brands perhaps since Maxtor is being sucked up by Seagate. Does Samsung have the features and technology though that Seagate and Maxtor do (SATA, 7200 RPM, NCQ, high density, hot-swap etc)? Yep http://www.samsung.com/Products/Hard...es/SP2504C.asp Looks adequate spec-wise. I'll have to get one of those and live with it awhile I think. Tony |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
"GSV Three Minds in a Can" wrote in message ... Bitstring , from the wonderful person tony said "Arno Wagner" wrote in message ... I agree. IMO they should just get rid of the Maxtors designs and retool everything to the Seagate models. God forbid! That would be like imposing water torture on PC users again after Maxtor had saved them from it (I'm talking about the annoying noise Seagates make (7200.7s)). Dunno what you are doing to your 7200.7s but mine are way quieter than Hitachi, Quantum (OK, those are old), or ATA IVs. I don't know if Maxtor would be even quieter, since I wouldn't install them on a bet at the moment (although their warranty swap-out system is rated highly - apparently it gets a lot of practise) It's the documented annoying idle seek noise that makes the Seagate drives unacceptable. (As well as the inability to set the acoustic management params to "silent" mode). Tony |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
"George Macdonald" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:22 GMT, "tony" wrote: "YKhan" wrote in message oups.com... Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction. Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives: will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have. will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates. will run as hot as the Seagates. will fail as often as the Seagates. will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates. What utter rubbish - none of your noise complaints have any merit at all; The first 2 are documented by Seagate (or at least they will tell you if you pressure them). And those are the critical things for me. It's one thing to be quiet consistently, quite another to be changing volume (popcorn noise) all the time: It's very annoying. The Seagate 7200.7s never really idle at all: they go into "annoying mode" after a few minutes of idling. See this thread for more info, I believe it's the same situation: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...330596cbf9a018 Tony |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
Seagate buys Maxtor
Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Odie Ferrous wrote: tony wrote: "YKhan" wrote in message oups.com... Seagate gets Maxtor - vnunet.com http://www.vnunet.com/crn/news/21478...te-gets-maxtor Storage vendor Seagate has entered into an agreement to aquire rival vendor Maxtor in an all stock transaction. Argh, I hope that does not mean that the Maxtor line of drives: will get the annoying noise that the Seagates have. will have the acoustic management feature turned off like the Seagates. will run as hot as the Seagates. will fail as often as the Seagates. will get louder and louder every year in use like the Seagates. Knock on wood I guess and keep fingers crossed. Tony, You are 1. A troll, or 2. You have Seagate and Maxtor the wrong way around in your message, or 3. You are in a coma. Maxtor (after Excelstor) are currently the worst drives on the planet. In my experience Maxtors are reliable _only_ if they are cooled really well. They draw too much power for disks in normal systems. I had one 200GB drive heat itself up to the point where it stopped working an external Aluminium enclosure and with light disk load. A Seagate and a Samsung disk in the same enclosure are reliable and not too warm even with heavy load. This means that in most settings Maxtors will be unreliable and die early, since in many PC systems cooling and airflow in the case is not too good. I don't see much difference between the power consumption of Maxtors and Seagates. Seagate taking over Maxtor will adversely affect my business - but it will keep a lot of others *IN* business. I agree. IMO they should just get rid of the Maxtors designs and retool everything to the Seagate models. Arno -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Seagate buys Maxtor | VWWall | General | 5 | December 21st 05 11:50 PM |
Maxtor hdd crash (track 0 corruption ?) | fjh | Storage (alternative) | 27 | October 15th 05 12:10 AM |
SCSI HD: Maxtor or Seagate? | Ar Q | Storage (alternative) | 15 | June 24th 05 02:58 AM |
Western Digital, Maxtor or Seagate | @drian | Homebuilt PC's | 26 | October 20th 03 06:24 PM |
Western Digital, Maxtor, Seagate - guess who spams? | tiburón | Homebuilt PC's | 7 | September 29th 03 11:19 PM |