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Old April 3rd 15, 12:40 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On 3/4/15 7:06 PM, Paul wrote:
I don't see the intentional fraud here.

If I told you I was making cherry flavored or
chocolate flavored processors, would you
believe they were the next great thing ?
What would your common sense tell you ?
That such a move was purely speculative
and "mostly marketing fluff". The APU is
no different.


Um... well.. it's up to the judge and the jury. Buy their votes using
AMD's lost stock value! evil smile

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Old April 3rd 15, 02:22 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On 3/4/15 1:48 AM, Paul wrote:
AMD should have stated in their public documents,
of the risks associated with the introduction
(technical push) of APUs. Which would cover them
against a class action like this.


I suspected that Intel sent business spies and fake investors into AMD
to kill it from inside using the APU hoax ....

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Old April 3rd 15, 03:35 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:54:38 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:

On 3/4/15 2:08 AM, Flasherly wrote:
In a generally encompassing manner of speaking;- death is the only
certainty anyone, rich or otherwise, can rightly expect to realize.


I wonder to where the lost stock value of AMD had gone....


Arrogance.

That's all it takes to make a bet: One to say what the other won't,
and a contract together to bind their mouths where the money goes.

(Haven't you heard of the investment mechanism of shorting someone?)
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Old April 3rd 15, 03:37 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On 3/4/15 10:35 PM, Flasherly wrote:
I wonder to where the lost stock value of AMD had gone....


Arrogance.
That's all it takes to make a bet: One to say what the other won't,
and a contract together to bind their mouths where the money goes.


NO.. I meant the actually money flow. To where had that amount of AMD
money gone? Back to AMD's fake investors?

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Old April 3rd 15, 05:14 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:


NO.. I meant the actually money flow. To where had that amount of AMD
money gone? Back to AMD's fake investors?


I'm trying to understand your question. The phrase "fake investors" is
a non sequitur. The lawsuit said they invested money in return for
stock in AMD. Therefore presumably the money the investors paid went
into AMD, and AMD spent the money in whatever way AMD chose to do so.

Depending upon how the lawsuit plays out, the answers regarding how AMD
spent the money might be explained but probably won't.
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Old April 3rd 15, 05:41 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:37:52 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
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NO.. I meant the actually money flow. To where had that amount of AMD
money gone? Back to AMD's fake investors?


If it's imbalanced (not being widely traded), sometimes the "jobbers"
pick it up (agent/interests at the exchange) to improve market flow,
mechanistic liquidity.

It's a lot of micro-second trading, anyway, for larger institution
means and resources. Computer modeling. A precision formulae and
subscription to work within proprietary methodologies.

If you can't lose that way, given adequate means (money), there're
local (to me, anyway) firms that can be "challenged" for a real-time
trading chair, effective to working directly within the exchanges, for
pretty close to real-time, no delay "institutional" transfers.

Nothing's fake. It's money. No one leaves money in a big box, on
some street corner, labeled for fake, or otherwise, so it's always
accounted.

Although the dramatics of swimming or sinking in a bloodbath are very
real, egregious practises are nonetheless punishable and entail prison
terms. Not quite the brand of capitalism seen practised in China,
where "fake crooks" directly have been intercepted and summarily
executed.

Here, there's the most lawyers and consequent prisoners housed in
institutions, per capita in the world. Having it all, the status and
supreme recognitions, minons at call for the snap of the fingers -- I
suppose it's too great an addiction to resist -- means a regular
revolving door and reserved room at Heartbreak Hotel for many.

Capitalism, though it would be a mistake to presume otherwise,
literally will strip the shirt off your back. And enjoy doing it.

I feel your pain, though. And, I've been to Asia, where there's no
lack of love for recreational gambling. (I traded in Asian gold and
sapphires at an early age -- like a duck to water;- I'm OK as long as
I stay out of backalleys, parts where trade may involve carrying a
weapon.)
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Old April 3rd 15, 09:31 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:37:52 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:

On 3/4/15 10:35 PM, Flasherly wrote:
I wonder to where the lost stock value of AMD had gone....


Arrogance.
That's all it takes to make a bet: One to say what the other won't,
and a contract together to bind their mouths where the money goes.


NO.. I meant the actually money flow. To where had that amount of AMD
money gone? Back to AMD's fake investors?


Unless AMD issued "new" stocks based on the "promotion", the increased
interest in the stock simply means that people who previously held AMD
stock thought the new prices being offered were attractive, and so
sold their stock to the new investors at the premium price. So the
inflated prices paid simply went to the people or institutions who
held stock. Very unlikely you'd be able to get them to give back the
profit they made. In fact, they're probably the same people who bought
back AMD after the stock prices trashed. Remember, for a stock price
to drop there's two things that have to happen... someone must be
willing to sell the stock for that lower price.... and someone must be
willing to buy it for that lower price.
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Old April 4th 15, 09:08 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 1:48:37 AM UTC+8, Paul wrote:

All they would have to do, is ask anyone with a
modicum of technical knowledge about the product,
to determine it wasn't going to sell. It's not
like the AMD description of APU made a lot of
sense.

The investors certainly didn't do their homework.
The K10.5 was a tiny bit faster than Phenom II for some things, but
against Sandy Bridge, it was going to struggle.
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Old April 4th 15, 09:46 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On 4/4/15 12:41 AM, Flasherly wrote:
Capitalism, though it would be a mistake to presume otherwise,
literally will strip the shirt off your back. And enjoy doing it.

I feel your pain, though. And, I've been to Asia, where there's no
lack of love for recreational gambling. (I traded in Asian gold and
sapphires at an early age -- like a duck to water;- I'm OK as long as
I stay out of backalleys, parts where trade may involve carrying a
weapon.)


The problem should be honesty, not capitalism? Monks and nuns and even
descendents of Mr. Mohammad could lie about their wealth as well.

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Old April 4th 15, 12:33 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:46:00 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:

The problem should be honesty, not capitalism? Monks and nuns and even
descendents of Mr. Mohammad could lie about their wealth as well.


Honesty comprises a matter of balances and concessions over a field of
idealism involving generalities at variance. A social contract is all
that binds honesty. In a natural state, outside from people living
together with their many laws regarding honesty, all honesty is but a
reason better to survive all else possible that not living together
entails. An overriding reason, ipso facto, and contributing factor to
why for the most people are now cosmopolitan. Wealth being first
sustenance and means withal to survive, for a society, all societies,
needful to protect such assurance, that its respective citizenry may
keep, to survive by, a common means accorded honestly to acquire
wealth. People eventually abandon nationalisms that little respects
them, which is why there are a good many nations in the advertising
business of selling themselves as best fit for the job.

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