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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
Hello!
I have a computer with parts described below: *** Processor AMD Athlon XP (Barton) 2800+ Fan: Gigabyte 3D Cooler *** Mainboard Gigabyte 7N400 Pro2 (rev. 2.0) FK *** Memory 2 x 512 MB, TwinMOS Model: M2G9J16-MK PC3200(CL2.5) DDR-DIMM Dual Channel *** Graphics Card ATI Radeon 9500 Saphire *** Case Chieftec 2BD-601A-CMO1-X-1 Power supplier: Chieftec, ATX-1136H, max.load: 360W *** HDD Some model of Samsung (SATA). *** Others DVD recorder TDK, FDD 1,44''. My problem occurs, when I set in setup, FSB Frequency to 166MHz (the processor is shown as AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+, during starting of my computer): - Windows XP during starting hangs up or the computer restarts -- after a few tries of starting, Windows is deffinitelty out of order. I could not start VGA mode or service mode. - Fedora Core during starting shows memory page faults and nothing else. Once, it was possible to run Fedora but many errors were showing on the screen and applications were closing with errors. - SETUP works perfect. If I set FSB to 133MHz (processor is shown as 2200+), everything works OK. Jumpers CLK_SW and CLK_RATIO are set to AUTO. Configuration of SETUP: *** Advanced Chipset Features System performance [Normal] FSB Frequency [133MHz] - problem is when I set to 166MHz CPU Interface Optimal Memory Frequency By SPD Resulting Frequency 400MHz Memory Timings Normal T(RAS) 8 T(RCD) 3 T(RP) 3 CAS Latency 2,5 AGP Frequency [Normal] AGP 8X Support [Enabled] AGP Fast Write Capacity [Enabled] CPU Thermal_Throttlig [50.0%] .... *** Frequency/Voltage Control VCORE OverVoltage Control [Normal] DIMM OverVoltage Control [Normal] AGM Over Voltage Control [Normal] I tried to set higher VCORE and DIMM. I checked memory with "memTest". I experimented with 166MHz and lower ratios set with jumpers. I reseted CMOS. I used "System Performance" in manual mode and set lower frequency to memory. I set "System Perfornamce" to turbo. I set "Memory Timings" to turbo. Unfortunately, described experiments did not help. Please, help me. Thanks in advance. Robbo |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
Robbo wrote:
Hello! I have a computer with parts described below: *** Processor AMD Athlon XP (Barton) 2800+ Fan: Gigabyte 3D Cooler *** Mainboard Gigabyte 7N400 Pro2 (rev. 2.0) FK *** Memory 2 x 512 MB, TwinMOS Model: M2G9J16-MK PC3200(CL2.5) DDR-DIMM Dual Channel *** Graphics Card ATI Radeon 9500 Saphire *** Case Chieftec 2BD-601A-CMO1-X-1 Power supplier: Chieftec, ATX-1136H, max.load: 360W *** HDD Some model of Samsung (SATA). *** Others DVD recorder TDK, FDD 1,44''. My problem occurs, when I set in setup, FSB Frequency to 166MHz (the processor is shown as AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+, during starting of my computer): - Windows XP during starting hangs up or the computer restarts -- after a few tries of starting, Windows is deffinitelty out of order. I could not start VGA mode or service mode. - Fedora Core during starting shows memory page faults and nothing else. Once, it was possible to run Fedora but many errors were showing on the screen and applications were closing with errors. - SETUP works perfect. If I set FSB to 133MHz (processor is shown as 2200+), everything works OK. Jumpers CLK_SW and CLK_RATIO are set to AUTO. Configuration of SETUP: *** Advanced Chipset Features System performance [Normal] FSB Frequency [133MHz] - problem is when I set to 166MHz CPU Interface Optimal Memory Frequency By SPD Resulting Frequency 400MHz Memory Timings Normal T(RAS) 8 T(RCD) 3 T(RP) 3 CAS Latency 2,5 AGP Frequency [Normal] AGP 8X Support [Enabled] AGP Fast Write Capacity [Enabled] CPU Thermal_Throttlig [50.0%] ... *** Frequency/Voltage Control VCORE OverVoltage Control [Normal] DIMM OverVoltage Control [Normal] AGM Over Voltage Control [Normal] I tried to set higher VCORE and DIMM. I checked memory with "memTest". I experimented with 166MHz and lower ratios set with jumpers. I reseted CMOS. I used "System Performance" in manual mode and set lower frequency to memory. I set "System Perfornamce" to turbo. I set "Memory Timings" to turbo. Unfortunately, described experiments did not help. Please, help me. Thanks in advance. Robbo 7N400 Pro2 is an Nforce2 board. Memory timing should not be [By SPD]. It should be under manual control. A perfectly good relationship, is to run the memory "Sync" or "100%". I.e. If the processor is 166MHz, the memory is 166MHz as well. That is what Sync does. The memory transfers at DDR333 as a result, if the FSB is FSB333. Dual channel should be stable at DDR333 setting. You can verify with memtest86+ or other utility of your choosing. If that still throws errors, increase the Vdimm a bit. Some motherboards allow adjusting the Vdimm over a few steps. Anywhere from 2.6 to 2.7V is safe. Run a memory test again. Reduce the voltage until you find the stability point, and only use enough voltage to remain error free. Excess voltage only makes the memory hot for nothing. If is still isn't stable at 166MHz, via a Sync or 100% setup, the chipset also supports lower memory settings. You can set the memory manually to 133MHz, when the FSB is 166MHz (i.e. 83%). This isn't all bad, since dual channel does give the ability to get enough bandwidth to fill in the gaps. In dual channel, the memory is twice as wide as the FSB, so can keep up if it runs half as fast. (In other words, dual channel is really overkill for AthlonXP. More memory bandwidth, than the FSB can really use.) In terms of BIOS settings, I do not recommend selecting either "50%" or "200%" for memory clock. Use values between those two bounds, being careful to stay within the spec limits of the memory. Some boards have been known to freeze, at the extremes. Paul |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:31:21 +0200, "Robbo"
wrote: Hello! I have a computer with parts described below: *** Processor AMD Athlon XP (Barton) 2800+ Fan: Gigabyte 3D Cooler *** Mainboard Gigabyte 7N400 Pro2 (rev. 2.0) FK *** Memory 2 x 512 MB, TwinMOS Model: M2G9J16-MK PC3200(CL2.5) DDR-DIMM Dual Channel *** Graphics Card ATI Radeon 9500 Saphire *** Case Chieftec 2BD-601A-CMO1-X-1 Power supplier: Chieftec, ATX-1136H, max.load: 360W *** HDD Some model of Samsung (SATA). *** Others DVD recorder TDK, FDD 1,44''. My problem occurs, when I set in setup, FSB Frequency to 166MHz (the processor is shown as AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+, during starting of my computer): - Windows XP during starting hangs up or the computer restarts -- after a few tries of starting, Windows is deffinitelty out of order. I could not start VGA mode or service mode. Had it ever ran stabily? If so, what has changed since then? If this was the state of the system when you installed either OS, you might now want to reinstall them as there may be file corruption (from what seems to be memory errors). - Fedora Core during starting shows memory page faults and nothing else. Once, it was possible to run Fedora but many errors were showing on the screen and applications were closing with errors. - SETUP works perfect. If I set FSB to 133MHz (processor is shown as 2200+), everything works OK. Jumpers CLK_SW and CLK_RATIO are set to AUTO. Use jumpers and/or bios settings to set the memory frequency to 166MHz aka DDR333 or 100%. Set the timings manually to 2.5,3,3,9. Raise the voltage to 2.6V. Try different memory slots. |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
Robbo wrote:
Hello! I have a computer with parts described below: *** Processor AMD Athlon XP (Barton) 2800+ Fan: Gigabyte 3D Cooler *** Mainboard Gigabyte 7N400 Pro2 (rev. 2.0) FK *** Memory 2 x 512 MB, TwinMOS Model: M2G9J16-MK PC3200(CL2.5) DDR-DIMM Dual Channel *** Graphics Card ATI Radeon 9500 Saphire *** Case Chieftec 2BD-601A-CMO1-X-1 Power supplier: Chieftec, ATX-1136H, max.load: 360W *** HDD Some model of Samsung (SATA). *** Others DVD recorder TDK, FDD 1,44''. My problem occurs, when I set in setup, FSB Frequency to 166MHz (the processor is shown as AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+, during starting of my computer): - Windows XP during starting hangs up or the computer restarts -- after a few tries of starting, Windows is deffinitelty out of order. I could not start VGA mode or service mode. - Fedora Core during starting shows memory page faults and nothing else. Once, it was possible to run Fedora but many errors were showing on the screen and applications were closing with errors. - SETUP works perfect. If I set FSB to 133MHz (processor is shown as 2200+), everything works OK. Jumpers CLK_SW and CLK_RATIO are set to AUTO. Configuration of SETUP: *** Advanced Chipset Features System performance [Normal] FSB Frequency [133MHz] - problem is when I set to 166MHz CPU Interface Optimal Memory Frequency By SPD Resulting Frequency 400MHz Memory Timings Normal T(RAS) 8 T(RCD) 3 T(RP) 3 CAS Latency 2,5 AGP Frequency [Normal] AGP 8X Support [Enabled] AGP Fast Write Capacity [Enabled] CPU Thermal_Throttlig [50.0%] ... *** Frequency/Voltage Control VCORE OverVoltage Control [Normal] DIMM OverVoltage Control [Normal] AGM Over Voltage Control [Normal] I tried to set higher VCORE and DIMM. I checked memory with "memTest". I experimented with 166MHz and lower ratios set with jumpers. I reseted CMOS. I used "System Performance" in manual mode and set lower frequency to memory. I set "System Perfornamce" to turbo. I set "Memory Timings" to turbo. Unfortunately, described experiments did not help. Please, help me. Thanks in advance. Robbo All nForce2 boards I have seen that have done this (I have several) have capacitors that have gone out-of-spec. This stops that board from running at higher FSB speeds. I would bet that it's the same in your case. You may be able to see swollen or leaky capacitors but sometimes they don't show any visual signs that anything is wrong. IME it's often the slightly smaller capacitors near the RAM slots that cause this particular fault, although if they've started failing then all caps will probably need replacing. If you're handy with a soldering iron and can source the parts (www.badcaps.com is one source) then you may be able to fix it yourself. Only you can decide if the system is valuable enough to warrant paying someone else to do it for you as opposed to using it at the slower speed. Be aware though that, if it *is* indeed caps, there's a chance that it'll stop working at 133Mhz sometime in the future. I have an Force 2 Ultra 400 board that used to run at 200Mhz FSB but, about 18 months ago, did what yours is doing now. Now it's running at 166Mhz and passes all tests and has been running fine since. However, it has a T'bred B CPU in it which has an unlocked mutilper so I just increased the multi and it's still running at (faster than) rated speed. Also, it's my second machine so doesn't get used much, I don't know if it would still be going at 166 if it was on 24/7 like the one I replaced the caps on. Luck, -- Shaun. |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
My problem occurs, when I set in setup, FSB Frequency
to 166MHz (the processor is shown as AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+, during starting of my computer): - Windows XP during starting hangs up or the computer restarts -- after a few tries of starting, Windows is deffinitelty out of order. I could not start VGA mode or service mode. Had it ever ran stabily? If so, what has changed since then? No. I have got this computer for a few years, but it had CLK jumper set to 100MHz. A few days ago, I saw that it is set incorrectly (don't say that I am stupid -- I know it) it and wanted to set correctly. Robbo |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
Thank you for all answers.
I asked the same question to the other news group (pl.comp.pecet). Conclusion is that this type of mother board with this memory / processor does not work on 166MHz. Somebody had similar problem and answer was that it is impossible. Someone found answer of "expert" on some hardware related web page to exactly my problem with my configuration but it not available for free, so maybe this answer could be useful, but will not check that. The other possible cause is, as "misfit" has said, damaged or missed capacitors. So, I will set 2200+ and give up with 2800+. Thanks once again. Robbo |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:40:08 +0200, "Robbo"
wrote: Thank you for all answers. I asked the same question to the other news group (pl.comp.pecet). Conclusion is that this type of mother board with this memory / processor does not work on 166MHz. Somebody had similar problem and answer was that it is impossible. Someone found answer of "expert" on some hardware related web page to exactly my problem with my configuration but it not available for free, so maybe this answer could be useful, but will not check that. The other possible cause is, as "misfit" has said, damaged or missed capacitors. So, I will set 2200+ and give up with 2800+. Thanks once again. Robbo There is no reasonable conclusion that it can't support 166MHz FSB, it is spec'd capable of that as well as 200MHz FSB (DDR400) and is probably even stable to 220MHz FSB if not more. It might be a Barton issue or memory compatibility issue, if you are certain it is stable at the reduced speed you might try updating the bios (make sure this is the right bios for your board). http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/M...A-7N400%20Pro2 "Usually" bad capacitors will be visibly vented on top, a residue on the bottom, or sitting canted when they raise off the plug. |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
kony wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:40:08 +0200, "Robbo" wrote: Thank you for all answers. I asked the same question to the other news group (pl.comp.pecet). Conclusion is that this type of mother board with this memory / processor does not work on 166MHz. Somebody had similar problem and answer was that it is impossible. Someone found answer of "expert" on some hardware related web page to exactly my problem with my configuration but it not available for free, so maybe this answer could be useful, but will not check that. The other possible cause is, as "misfit" has said, damaged or missed capacitors. So, I will set 2200+ and give up with 2800+. Thanks once again. Robbo There is no reasonable conclusion that it can't support 166MHz FSB, it is spec'd capable of that as well as 200MHz FSB (DDR400) Agreed. Both RAM and chipset are rated to 200Mhz and should be able to do 166 in their sleep. and is probably even stable to 220MHz FSB if not more. It might be a Barton issue I doubt it's a "Barton issue" Kony. I've run heaps of Bartons on nForce2 Ultra 400 chipsets and they'll run on pretty much any FSB the board/RAM is capable of. (My XP2500+ is currently running on 210 x 11 stably for better than XP3200+ speeds at *less* than default vcore) or memory compatibility issue, if you are certain it is stable at the reduced speed you might try updating the bios (make sure this is the right bios for your board). http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/M...A-7N400%20Pro2 "Usually" bad capacitors will be visibly vented on top, a residue on the bottom, or sitting canted when they raise off the plug. This seems to be true for the bigger CPU power filtering capacitors (usually) clustered around the CPU socket. However, it has been my experience after re-capping quite a few boards that the caps that sometimes effect maximum FSB speeds are smaller caps, often located near the RAM slots/NB, and that these caps usually appear normal but test out-of-spec. I put this down to the bigger caps having more current going into them which causes evaporation of the electrolyte, causes internal pressure. However, the faulty electrolyte formula also fails through use /without/ evaporating and pressurising the aluminium can. The smaller ali cans are less likely to distort as they use the same thickness ali as the bigger ones but, being smaller, don't have the larger, easilly distorted surfaces. Same goes for the plugs of the caps. They're held in the can in the same way as their larger brothers but with far less electrolyte to evaporate, therefore far less potential pressure. Also they're usually used in applications where they're getting far less current. I wish I could find a source of the newer 'solid electolyte' caps used in a lot of newer boards that I could retro-fit to my nForce2 Ultra 400 boards. Hell, it's bad enough trying to get standard low-ESR caps. I had to get some of the caps I used from badcaps.com at vastly higher prices than I'm used to paying and then get them sent to a friend who lives in the continental USA and get him to forward them to me. (badcaps won't ship outside the cont. USA.) (I contacted Rubycon's NZ agent and asked about availability of 3,300uF 10mm diameter low-ESR caps and they told me, via email, that they didn't have any in NZ and a minimum quantity order was 2,000 units, with an expected delivery time ex-Japan of three months. When I replied asking for a price and how they'd like payment (even though I was only needing ~20 at the time I figured there had to be others in NZ who would perhaps buy some off me) they didn't answer that or subsequent emails.) But you're right. Usually (90% when it's the larger caps IME) there are visual signs of failing capacitors on motherboards. Cheers, -- Shaun. |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
Robbo wrote:
Thank you for all answers. I asked the same question to the other news group (pl.comp.pecet). Conclusion is that this type of mother board with this memory / processor does not work on 166MHz. Huh? There are literally millions of people around the world who would disagree with that. Somebody had similar problem and answer was that it is impossible. Sorry but this is pure, unadulterated bull****. I hate the way that GoogleGroups has let imbeciles post to usenet. (Often the cause of 'bull****' in NGs these days). I have a board here with the same chipset, (actually three of them) same rated RAM and Barton CPUs (as well as a TbredB) that will all run on any FSB between 100 and 200 (as long as the CPU is able to handle the resulting speed. All mine are not multiplier locked so that's no problem). That "somebody" simply had a problem. Someone found answer of "expert" on some hardware related web page to exactly my problem with my configuration but it not available for free, so maybe this answer could be useful, but will not check that. I doubt it. It's just a con to get money out of you. The other possible cause is, as "misfit" has said, damaged or missed capacitors. I think this by far the most likely cause. Have you visually checked the caps? As I've said in my reply to Kony, they don't always show but still... a visual check could give you a definitive answer. So, I will set 2200+ and give up with 2800+. Have you tried increasing the multiplier in BIOS? Early model Bartons weren't multiplier-locked. You may just have one of those and could possibly raise the multiplier to set it closer to the default CPU speed, albeit on a lower FSB. It's default 12.5x isn't it? You could try 15.5x to give you (nearly) the same CPU speed as it was intended to run. Fingers crossed. Thanks once again. You're welcome. Good luck -- Shaun. |
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Problem with setting Athlon 2800+ to 166MHz
Robbo wrote:
*** Mainboard Gigabyte 7N400 Pro2 (rev. 2.0) FK Have you tried "Ctrl+F1" once in setup ? Gigabyte boards requires this for advanced feature setup. |
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