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"William" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message et... "William" wrote in message ... The reason that your cable box does not have stereo audio out on the RF ** feed is because Dolbe Digital owns the patents on the stereo encoder technology used in the RF converters. They require a royalty to be paid to use their technology. Most manufactures simply DO NOT OFFER STEREO AUDIO on their RF output. This includes all low-end to medium-end VHS VCR's, DVD players, cable boxes, and just about any other equipment with RF converters built into them. (Cameras, video routers, and whatever has RF output on them.) ** Their are a few RF converter with stereo sound, but you will pay a price to get them. It's been that way since the advent of stereo TV sound back ** in the 80's. Any why you have component Audio/Video output on all cable ** boxes, DVD's, VHS units, and anything else not too cheep to bother. William Sigh, where do I start to clean up this stream of misinformation. 1) Dolbe (sic) does not own the patents on the broadcast stereo sound system. It uses DBX compression on the difference channel. DBX is a separate company. 2) Until very recently, there were allot of parts as well as an expensive filter required to construct a stereo encoder. Decoder chips have been available for quite awhile and quite inexpensive. A moderately priced encoder IC has been recently introduced. The royalty to DBX is quite small and far less then the mpeg decoder royalty paid on every DVD player. 3) May I suggest you invest in a spelling and grammar checker. David David: ** Your use of Ad hominem attack methods are not new to me, and only tell me of your character and not the validity of my comments. Your rush to add your two-cents has only shown your shallowness and need to belittle others. Save it for some one less educated than myself. And yes, I do use a spelling ** checker. What a cheep shot. ** The information I have given is correct in the time table given, and does in fact influence the decisions manufacturers use when they produce stereo encoders. I have followed this market for a very long time and have read the discussions over the years. All you have done is to expand upon the information given and proven my point even further. You have not contradicted anything. If you have trouble expressing yourself without attacking someone else in order to make yourself feel superior, I suggest you find yourself a good psychologist and vent your frustrations out on them. Do not play games with me. Save your insults for someone else, they only tell me of your character and nothing about the subject being discussed. I don't know what it is about the Internet, but it brings out the worst in character. Be careful what you say, I have had the displeasure of taking on a few NewYorkers in my days, they are experts in shredding people apart like you. William This is certainly not worth a flame war, but let me point out a few things I have marked above with ** by the line: -Dolbe is Dolby. -Their is not the correct usage. You want There in that position. -cheep is what baby chickens do. You want cheap in that position. -Look up 'Ad hominem'. This was a critique of the information in your posting, not you. -cheep again -any why ?? -I repeat, it is not a Dolby licensing issue. This was erroneous information. This is my last post on this topic here. David |
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"David" wrote in message ... "William" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message et... "William" wrote in message ... The reason that your cable box does not have stereo audio out on the RF ** feed is because Dolbe Digital owns the patents on the stereo encoder technology used in the RF converters. They require a royalty to be paid to use their technology. Most manufactures simply DO NOT OFFER STEREO AUDIO on their RF output. This includes all low-end to medium-end VHS VCR's, DVD players, cable boxes, and just about any other equipment with RF converters built into them. (Cameras, video routers, and whatever has RF output on them.) ** Their are a few RF converter with stereo sound, but you will pay a price to get them. It's been that way since the advent of stereo TV sound back ** in the 80's. Any why you have component Audio/Video output on all cable ** boxes, DVD's, VHS units, and anything else not too cheep to bother. William Sigh, where do I start to clean up this stream of misinformation. 1) Dolbe (sic) does not own the patents on the broadcast stereo sound system. It uses DBX compression on the difference channel. DBX is a separate company. 2) Until very recently, there were allot of parts as well as an expensive filter required to construct a stereo encoder. Decoder chips have been available for quite awhile and quite inexpensive. A moderately priced encoder IC has been recently introduced. The royalty to DBX is quite small and far less then the mpeg decoder royalty paid on every DVD player. 3) May I suggest you invest in a spelling and grammar checker. David David: ** Your use of Ad hominem attack methods are not new to me, and only tell me of your character and not the validity of my comments. Your rush to add your two-cents has only shown your shallowness and need to belittle others. Save it for some one less educated than myself. And yes, I do use a spelling ** checker. What a cheep shot. ** The information I have given is correct in the time table given, and does in fact influence the decisions manufacturers use when they produce stereo encoders. I have followed this market for a very long time and have read the discussions over the years. All you have done is to expand upon the information given and proven my point even further. You have not contradicted anything. If you have trouble expressing yourself without attacking someone else in order to make yourself feel superior, I suggest you find yourself a good psychologist and vent your frustrations out on them. Do not play games with me. Save your insults for someone else, they only tell me of your character and nothing about the subject being discussed. I don't know what it is about the Internet, but it brings out the worst in character. Be careful what you say, I have had the displeasure of taking on a few NewYorkers in my days, they are experts in shredding people apart like you. William This is certainly not worth a flame war, but let me point out a few things I have marked above with ** by the line: -Dolbe is Dolby. -Their is not the correct usage. You want There in that position. -cheep is what baby chickens do. You want cheap in that position. -Look up 'Ad hominem'. This was a critique of the information in your posting, not you. -cheep again -any why ?? -I repeat, it is not a Dolby licensing issue. This was erroneous information. This is my last post on this topic here. David David: Much better. Thank you William |
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"David" wrote in message
... "William" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message et... "William" wrote in message ... The reason that your cable box does not have stereo audio out on the RF ** feed is because Dolbe Digital owns the patents on the stereo encoder technology used in the RF converters. They require a royalty to be paid to use their technology. Most manufactures simply DO NOT OFFER STEREO AUDIO on their RF output. This includes all low-end to medium-end VHS VCR's, DVD players, cable boxes, and just about any other equipment with RF converters built into them. (Cameras, video routers, and whatever has RF output on them.) ** Their are a few RF converter with stereo sound, but you will pay a price to get them. It's been that way since the advent of stereo TV sound back ** in the 80's. Any why you have component Audio/Video output on all cable ** boxes, DVD's, VHS units, and anything else not too cheep to bother. William Sigh, where do I start to clean up this stream of misinformation. 1) Dolbe (sic) does not own the patents on the broadcast stereo sound system. It uses DBX compression on the difference channel. DBX is a separate company. 2) Until very recently, there were allot of parts as well as an expensive filter required to construct a stereo encoder. Decoder chips have been available for quite awhile and quite inexpensive. A moderately priced encoder IC has been recently introduced. The royalty to DBX is quite small and far less then the mpeg decoder royalty paid on every DVD player. 3) May I suggest you invest in a spelling and grammar checker. David David: ** Your use of Ad hominem attack methods are not new to me, and only tell me of your character and not the validity of my comments. Your rush to add your two-cents has only shown your shallowness and need to belittle others. Save it for some one less educated than myself. And yes, I do use a spelling ** checker. What a cheep shot. ** The information I have given is correct in the time table given, and does in fact influence the decisions manufacturers use when they produce stereo encoders. I have followed this market for a very long time and have read the discussions over the years. All you have done is to expand upon the information given and proven my point even further. You have not contradicted anything. If you have trouble expressing yourself without attacking someone else in order to make yourself feel superior, I suggest you find yourself a good psychologist and vent your frustrations out on them. Do not play games with me. Save your insults for someone else, they only tell me of your character and nothing about the subject being discussed. I don't know what it is about the Internet, but it brings out the worst in character. Be careful what you say, I have had the displeasure of taking on a few NewYorkers in my days, they are experts in shredding people apart like you. William This is certainly not worth a flame war, but let me point out a few things I have marked above with ** by the line: -Dolbe is Dolby. -Their is not the correct usage. You want There in that position. -cheep is what baby chickens do. You want cheap in that position. -Look up 'Ad hominem'. This was a critique of the information in your posting, not you. -cheep again -any why ?? -I repeat, it is not a Dolby licensing issue. This was erroneous information. This is my last post on this topic here. David Agreed. Dolby has patent on surround sound which is used through stereo but to my knowledge they don't own the patent on TV stereo. Would need to see links to beleive this. Even if they had a patent on it, it should have run out before this box was made. I've seen very inexpensive stereo RF modulators long before this box. It could still be money though. Seemed likely to me it was a way to keep from having multiple fully functioning outlets but wouldn't argue the point. |
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"T Shadow" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message ... "William" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message et... "William" wrote in message ... The reason that your cable box does not have stereo audio out on the RF ** feed is because Dolbe Digital owns the patents on the stereo encoder technology used in the RF converters. They require a royalty to be paid to use their technology. Most manufactures simply DO NOT OFFER STEREO AUDIO on their RF output. This includes all low-end to medium-end VHS VCR's, DVD players, cable boxes, and just about any other equipment with RF converters built into them. (Cameras, video routers, and whatever has RF output on them.) ** Their are a few RF converter with stereo sound, but you will pay a price to get them. It's been that way since the advent of stereo TV sound back ** in the 80's. Any why you have component Audio/Video output on all cable ** boxes, DVD's, VHS units, and anything else not too cheep to bother. William Sigh, where do I start to clean up this stream of misinformation. 1) Dolbe (sic) does not own the patents on the broadcast stereo sound system. It uses DBX compression on the difference channel. DBX is a separate company. 2) Until very recently, there were allot of parts as well as an expensive filter required to construct a stereo encoder. Decoder chips have been available for quite awhile and quite inexpensive. A moderately priced encoder IC has been recently introduced. The royalty to DBX is quite small and far less then the mpeg decoder royalty paid on every DVD player. 3) May I suggest you invest in a spelling and grammar checker. David David: ** Your use of Ad hominem attack methods are not new to me, and only tell me of your character and not the validity of my comments. Your rush to add your two-cents has only shown your shallowness and need to belittle others. Save it for some one less educated than myself. And yes, I do use a spelling ** checker. What a cheep shot. ** The information I have given is correct in the time table given, and does in fact influence the decisions manufacturers use when they produce stereo encoders. I have followed this market for a very long time and have read the discussions over the years. All you have done is to expand upon the information given and proven my point even further. You have not contradicted anything. If you have trouble expressing yourself without attacking someone else in order to make yourself feel superior, I suggest you find yourself a good psychologist and vent your frustrations out on them. Do not play games with me. Save your insults for someone else, they only tell me of your character and nothing about the subject being discussed. I don't know what it is about the Internet, but it brings out the worst in character. Be careful what you say, I have had the displeasure of taking on a few NewYorkers in my days, they are experts in shredding people apart like you. William This is certainly not worth a flame war, but let me point out a few things I have marked above with ** by the line: -Dolbe is Dolby. -Their is not the correct usage. You want There in that position. -cheep is what baby chickens do. You want cheap in that position. -Look up 'Ad hominem'. This was a critique of the information in your posting, not you. -cheep again -any why ?? -I repeat, it is not a Dolby licensing issue. This was erroneous information. This is my last post on this topic here. David Agreed. Dolby has patent on surround sound which is used through stereo but to my knowledge they don't own the patent on TV stereo. Would need to see links to beleive this. Even if they had a patent on it, it should have run out before this box was made. I've seen very inexpensive stereo RF modulators long before this box. It could still be money though. Seemed likely to me it was a way to keep from having multiple fully functioning outlets but wouldn't argue the point. T: Manufactures go --out of their way-- to cut out one 1/8 wt resistor off of their design. We are not talking about the cost of one IC here, we are talking about an assembly production line of oh, say 500,000 units. Maybe 2 million units times whatever that single IC, or royalty costs. Then consider a full 'year line' of multiple types of VCR's, DVD's, or Cable boxes for a given manufacturer, such as Sony, or Panasonic, or Hitachi, or whatever. You could be talking 50 to 80 million units or more. You think they don't consider the cost of a few cents important? I worked in this market when Stereo TV came out. I saw what happened. It's not about the NAME of the manufacturer who has the patent, it's the cost. PERIOD. The name argument forwarded here is a "straw-man argument", nothing more. Just how long do you think patents are good for. Ever heard of two-key-rollover? What about GIF file format? Care to think of intellectual ideas? (Just how long has the mouse for Disney been prohibited from general use? ) I highly recommend classes in Interpersonal Communications, Logic, Psychology, User Profiling, Group Dynamics, and a few more for those who wish to improve their communications skills. William |
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"William" wrote in message ... "T Shadow" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message ... "William" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message et... "William" wrote in message ... The reason that your cable box does not have stereo audio out on the RF ** feed is because Dolbe Digital owns the patents on the stereo encoder technology used in the RF converters. They require a royalty to be paid to use their technology. Most manufactures simply DO NOT OFFER STEREO AUDIO on their RF output. This includes all low-end to medium-end VHS VCR's, DVD players, cable boxes, and just about any other equipment with RF converters built into them. (Cameras, video routers, and whatever has RF output on them.) ** Their are a few RF converter with stereo sound, but you will pay a price to get them. It's been that way since the advent of stereo TV sound back ** in the 80's. Any why you have component Audio/Video output on all cable ** boxes, DVD's, VHS units, and anything else not too cheep to bother. William Sigh, where do I start to clean up this stream of misinformation. 1) Dolbe (sic) does not own the patents on the broadcast stereo sound system. It uses DBX compression on the difference channel. DBX is a separate company. 2) Until very recently, there were allot of parts as well as an expensive filter required to construct a stereo encoder. Decoder chips have been available for quite awhile and quite inexpensive. A moderately priced encoder IC has been recently introduced. The royalty to DBX is quite small and far less then the mpeg decoder royalty paid on every DVD player. 3) May I suggest you invest in a spelling and grammar checker. David David: ** Your use of Ad hominem attack methods are not new to me, and only tell me of your character and not the validity of my comments. Your rush to add your two-cents has only shown your shallowness and need to belittle others. Save it for some one less educated than myself. And yes, I do use a spelling ** checker. What a cheep shot. ** The information I have given is correct in the time table given, and does in fact influence the decisions manufacturers use when they produce stereo encoders. I have followed this market for a very long time and have read the discussions over the years. All you have done is to expand upon the information given and proven my point even further. You have not contradicted anything. If you have trouble expressing yourself without attacking someone else in order to make yourself feel superior, I suggest you find yourself a good psychologist and vent your frustrations out on them. Do not play games with me. Save your insults for someone else, they only tell me of your character and nothing about the subject being discussed. I don't know what it is about the Internet, but it brings out the worst in character. Be careful what you say, I have had the displeasure of taking on a few NewYorkers in my days, they are experts in shredding people apart like you. William This is certainly not worth a flame war, but let me point out a few things I have marked above with ** by the line: -Dolbe is Dolby. -Their is not the correct usage. You want There in that position. -cheep is what baby chickens do. You want cheap in that position. -Look up 'Ad hominem'. This was a critique of the information in your posting, not you. -cheep again -any why ?? -I repeat, it is not a Dolby licensing issue. This was erroneous information. This is my last post on this topic here. David Agreed. Dolby has patent on surround sound which is used through stereo but to my knowledge they don't own the patent on TV stereo. Would need to see links to beleive this. Even if they had a patent on it, it should have run out before this box was made. I've seen very inexpensive stereo RF modulators long before this box. It could still be money though. Seemed likely to me it was a way to keep from having multiple fully functioning outlets but wouldn't argue the point. T: Manufactures go --out of their way-- to cut out one 1/8 wt resistor off of their design. We are not talking about the cost of one IC here, we are talking about an assembly production line of oh, say 500,000 units. Maybe 2 million units times whatever that single IC, or royalty costs. Then consider a full 'year line' of multiple types of VCR's, DVD's, or Cable boxes for a given manufacturer, such as Sony, or Panasonic, or Hitachi, or whatever. You could be talking 50 to 80 million units or more. You think they don't consider the cost of a few cents important? I worked in this market when Stereo TV came out. I saw what happened. It's not about the NAME of the manufacturer who has the patent, it's the cost. PERIOD. The name argument forwarded here is a "straw-man argument", nothing more. Just how long do you think patents are good for. Ever heard of two-key-rollover? What about GIF file format? Care to think of intellectual ideas? (Just how long has the mouse for Disney been prohibited from general use? ) I highly recommend classes in Interpersonal Communications, Logic, Psychology, User Profiling, Group Dynamics, and a few more for those who wish to improve their communications skills. William I recommend supplying a link. |
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I recommend supplying a link. To what? I hope your original query has been answered to your satisfaction as to why your cable box has no stereo out on its RF cable output. I was only trying to explain the conditions in the market why it does not. I have answered this question hundreds of times over the years and know the validity of it. Sorry you had to witness that drive-by-shooting that went on between David and myself. Have a good day. William |
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- David Stood up at show and tell, in , and said: "William" wrote in message ... The reason that your cable box does not have stereo audio out on the RF feed is because Dolbe Digital owns the patents on the stereo encoder technology used in the RF converters. They require a royalty to be paid to use their technology. Most manufactures simply DO NOT OFFER STEREO AUDIO on their RF output. This includes all low-end to medium-end VHS VCR's, DVD players, cable boxes, and just about any other equipment with RF converters built into them. (Cameras, video routers, and whatever has RF output on them.) Their are a few RF converter with stereo sound, but you will pay a price to get them. It's been that way since the advent of stereo TV sound back in the 80's. Any why you have component Audio/Video output on all cable boxes, DVD's, VHS units, and anything else not too cheep to bother. William Sigh, where do I start to clean up this stream of misinformation. 1) Dolbe (sic) does not own the patents on the broadcast stereo sound system. It uses DBX compression on the difference channel. DBX is a separate company. 2) Until very recently, there were allot of parts as well as an expensive filter required to construct a stereo encoder. Decoder chips have been available for quite awhile and quite inexpensive. A moderately priced encoder IC has been recently introduced. The royalty to DBX is quite small and far less then the mpeg decoder royalty paid on every DVD player. 3) May I suggest you invest in a spelling and grammar checker. For someone that doesn't seem to know how to spell 'alot' or (more grammatically correct) 'a lot', your #3 statement seems a bit 'ironic'. BTW, 'alot' is a verb. David |
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Strontium wrote:
For someone that doesn't seem to know how to spell 'alot' or (more grammatically correct) 'a lot', your #3 statement seems a bit 'ironic'. BTW, 'alot' is a verb. No. "Allot" is a verb that means "to parcel out." "Alot" isn't a word at all, though it seems to be used as one a lot on Usenet. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Happy to Help Favog |
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- Bill Anderson Stood up at show and tell, in , and said: Strontium wrote: For someone that doesn't seem to know how to spell (more grammatically correct) 'a lot', your #3 statement seems a bit 'ironic'. BTW, 'al[l]ot' is a verb. No. "Allot" is a verb that means "to parcel out." "Alot" isn't a word at all, though it seems to be used as one a lot on Usenet. Fixed. |
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