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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
I have an Antec 300 Illusion case. There are two USB 2.0 connector
ports on the front. I'm thinking that I may want to upgrade them to USB 3.0. Has anyone upgraded USB 2 ports on a chassis to USB 3? I'd like to get some idea of what would need to be done. I could, of course, add a USB 3.0 hub instead, but it'd be nice to keep down the amount of clutter on my desk. Thanks, John |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:57:32 -0000 (UTC), "Yes"
wrote: I have an Antec 300 Illusion case. There are two USB 2.0 connector ports on the front. I'm thinking that I may want to upgrade them to USB 3.0. Has anyone upgraded USB 2 ports on a chassis to USB 3? I'd like to get some idea of what would need to be done. I could, of course, add a USB 3.0 hub instead, but it'd be nice to keep down the amount of clutter on my desk. Thanks, John An extension cable for the 4 more signal pins than USB2. Presuming the KISS principle and a couple backplane ports. https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-.../dp/B00NH12O5I You'll need a MB equipped with USB3 headers to cable a similar setup, similarly dangling out of where your case USB2 headers, if not a replacement then presently used on front USB3 paneled cases. I'd figured for the first but hadn't looked it up. For my purposes 3M is far too long, suspecting Ebay may have something in my range for a tenth the price. Clutter as horror is subject to relevancy given peculiar viewpoint. I personally like consoles, for instance, with a long gangway and a chair to roll around Command Central. Nothing being no more secured or tightened down than it really need be, most of all then for easy accessibility plucking, of course, where one other than Maintenance actually matters. |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
Yes wrote:
I have an Antec 300 Illusion case. There are two USB 2.0 connector ports on the front. I'm thinking that I may want to upgrade them to USB 3.0. Has anyone upgraded USB 2 ports on a chassis to USB 3? I'd like to get some idea of what would need to be done. I could, of course, add a USB 3.0 hub instead, but it'd be nice to keep down the amount of clutter on my desk. The problem is getting the case mounting ports that fit that case. The USB port may not have its own bracket with tangs to snap into a hole in the case. Rather it will be soldered onto a PCB that is positioned behind the case. http://i53.tinypic.com/2ik886t.jpg My guess (since I couldn't find an inside view of that spot inside the case) is there is one PCB that has the USB ports, audio jacks, and LED soldered onto it and the wires run from the PCB. Do you have any spare drive bays? If so, you can get a drive bay hub that has one, or more, USB3 ports, like: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820223120 That adds 2 USB3 ports, 4 USB2 ports, an eSATA connection, and a card reader. This one only had an average rating so you might want to hunt around for other choices. If you have no spare SATA ports on the mobo then the eSATA connector in this drive hub would be dead. Same if you don't have any spare USB2 headers on the mobo. Sometimes there are USB2 headers on the mobo that are unused. You could connect those to this drive bay hub along with the USB3 header on the mobo. If your mobo only has USB2 headers then the mobo has no USB3 support which means you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard. Some USB3 cards have an internal USB3 connector you could use to go to the USB drive hub; however, often the internal USB connector is shared with one of the external USB ports on that card. You mention the case but not the motherboard, so no idea what you'll have to do to add USB3 support. No mention of what USB headers are already used on the mobo. If the mobo has it, run an unused USB3 header on the mobo to the USB drive hub. If not, you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard which will already give you USB3 external ports on the backside. If you get one with a USB3 internal port then you can move one of the backside (shared) USB3 ports to the front-facing USB drive hub. |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
VanguardLH wrote:
Yes wrote: I have an Antec 300 Illusion case. There are two USB 2.0 connector ports on the front. I'm thinking that I may want to upgrade them to USB 3.0. Has anyone upgraded USB 2 ports on a chassis to USB 3? I'd like to get some idea of what would need to be done. I could, of course, add a USB 3.0 hub instead, but it'd be nice to keep down the amount of clutter on my desk. The problem is getting the case mounting ports that fit that case. The USB port may not have its own bracket with tangs to snap into a hole in the case. Rather it will be soldered onto a PCB that is positioned behind the case. http://i53.tinypic.com/2ik886t.jpg My guess (since I couldn't find an inside view of that spot inside the case) is there is one PCB that has the USB ports, audio jacks, and LED soldered onto it and the wires run from the PCB. Do you have any spare drive bays? If so, you can get a drive bay hub that has one, or more, USB3 ports, like: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820223120 That adds 2 USB3 ports, 4 USB2 ports, an eSATA connection, and a card reader. This one only had an average rating so you might want to hunt around for other choices. If you have no spare SATA ports on the mobo then the eSATA connector in this drive hub would be dead. Same if you don't have any spare USB2 headers on the mobo. Sometimes there are USB2 headers on the mobo that are unused. You could connect those to this drive bay hub along with the USB3 header on the mobo. If your mobo only has USB2 headers then the mobo has no USB3 support which means you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard. Some USB3 cards have an internal USB3 connector you could use to go to the USB drive hub; however, often the internal USB connector is shared with one of the external USB ports on that card. You mention the case but not the motherboard, so no idea what you'll have to do to add USB3 support. No mention of what USB headers are already used on the mobo. If the mobo has it, run an unused USB3 header on the mobo to the USB drive hub. If not, you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard which will already give you USB3 external ports on the backside. If you get one with a USB3 internal port then you can move one of the backside (shared) USB3 ports to the front-facing USB drive hub. I have an ASUS M4A89GTD PRO USB3 mobo. It has two USB 3 ports and an eSATA connector on the back side of the case plus USB and SATA connectors on the mobo. The reason for my question is that 1. it's difficult for me to reach the USB 3 ports on the back of the case, 2. the USB 3 device I have has a short cable (say 6 inches) which makes it awkward to plug in and use given my pc's location and 3. I didn't know what upgrading the chassis' existing USB 2 connectors to USB 3.0 might entail. If the upgrading of a USB 2 port on the front to a USB 3 port were only a matter of getting a new set of wiring suitable for USB 3, then that would be tempting to do. On the other hand, I've seen external hubs that plug into the external USB 3 connector and have an external AC/DC power brick to provide the power for more USB 3 devices. I could accommodate that if need be. At the moment, I'm rather shell shocked and not particularly looking forward to messing around the wiring inside my pc. As many of the regulars here know, I had a severe problem in early May involving my PSU when I tried to add on another HD to my pc. After all was said and done, I lost two of my three hard drives (drive C:\ still works), lost my DVD burner drive, lost the internal fan at the top of the case, replaced the PSU and, after several weeks dealing with two DOA HD drives, received one that works. All in all, I feel a bit down and jinxed at the moment, particularly facing the task to reconstruct several data files. Other replies pointed out some alternatives such as an internal hub fitting into a drive bay. That idea had not crossed my mind. Ditto, the cable suggestion from Paul. My mobo has PCI-e slots on it that are not usable due to the location of the graphics card. When I moved the graphics card from its existing position to the other same type slot on the mobo, I chickened out. The graphics card was immediately above the PSU fan (the PSU is mounted at the bottom of the chassis), and the distance between the card and the PSU fan looked very narrow. I was worried about air circulation and possible overheating of the graphics card. John |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 07:18:02 -0000 (UTC), "Yes"
wrote: I have an ASUS M4A89GTD PRO USB3 mobo. Damn -- $359... https://www.amazon.com/Asus-M4A89GTD.../dp/B003964KK8 If an older model for Amazon's hm, discretionary merchant-pricing slots. ASUS calling it a Pro/USB3 is a little redundant. I figured when I got a socket three, although Gigabyte and somewhat more dated by present driver standards, is it was probably how things are just done for USB3 convenience: you get USB3 stuck on the back-plane. Least I did, two plus two, for the extra dedicated USB3 ports sandwiched into thereabouts, alongside usual two USB2 ports adjacent the NetWerk RJ45 connection. Wow, you've got 12 USB2 (8-ports MID-board pin arrays), which is kind of totally something. . .I guess. ...Firewire, cool - the "standard" for sound recording gear for some time. Onboard graphics -- I like, the way to go, at least for me. But I only just paid $50 for the Gigabyte AM3 because the floor dropped out on octal cores, a little while ago, due to Ryzen. A low-wattage variant, primo -- octal bulldozer type, AKA .not. a 250-watt monstrosity, for an unheard-of $90 splurge, plus ensuring any driver related issues are grandfathered in. ...Probably goes like a duck into water in typical *nix box configs. Offhand, a Phenom six-cores sounds conceivably older, maybe a year or two, in the ASUS config. I can't believe, though, a build like that would eat two HDD, DVD, and case fan. Outer Limits stuff. Digging into PCs plain ain't done right if it ain't fun. And scared don't count when it's out of bounds;- most rules fall under: if you can pay then that's the ticket to play. |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
Flasherly wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 07:18:02 -0000 (UTC), "Yes" wrote: I have an ASUS M4A89GTD PRO USB3 mobo. Damn -- $359... https://www.amazon.com/Asus-M4A89GTD.../dp/B003964KK8 If an older model for Amazon's hm, discretionary merchant-pricing slots. ASUS calling it a Pro/USB3 is a little redundant. I figured when I got a socket three, although Gigabyte and somewhat more dated by present driver standards, is it was probably how things are just done for USB3 convenience: you get USB3 stuck on the back-plane. Least I did, two plus two, for the extra dedicated USB3 ports sandwiched into thereabouts, alongside usual two USB2 ports adjacent the NetWerk RJ45 connection. Wow, you've got 12 USB2 (8-ports MID-board pin arrays), which is kind of totally something. . .I guess. ...Firewire, cool - the "standard" for sound recording gear for some time. Onboard graphics -- I like, the way to go, at least for me. But I only just paid $50 for the Gigabyte AM3 because the floor dropped out on octal cores, a little while ago, due to Ryzen. A low-wattage variant, primo -- octal bulldozer type, AKA .not. a 250-watt monstrosity, for an unheard-of $90 splurge, plus ensuring any driver related issues are grandfathered in. ...Probably goes like a duck into water in typical *nix box configs. Offhand, a Phenom six-cores sounds conceivably older, maybe a year or two, in the ASUS config. I can't believe, though, a build like that would eat two HDD, DVD, and case fan. Outer Limits stuff. Digging into PCs plain ain't done right if it ain't fun. And scared don't count when it's out of bounds;- most rules fall under: if you can pay then that's the ticket to play. I can't say I'm surprised at Amazon's price, but I have a very low opinion of their pricing on a lot of items anyway. I bought my mobo back in 2010 or so. It was a lot less costly then :-) IIRC, ASUS offered two similarly named mobos at the time when I bought it; perhaps one was for the European market and one for the U.S. ??? - shrug. Regardless, my mobo has held up well over the years and still does what I want it to do. Where it shows its age is wrt new tech. Data transfer speed is something I like, so it'd be nice to have USB 3.1 capability. And I seem to recall reading something about similar progress for SATA transfer speeds. My mobo of course handles USB 3.0, not the newer USB 3.1. In retrospect, the mobo is probably not a good match with the case because the PSU is located on the bottom. The mobo has two slots for a graphics card. I tried the suggestion to move the graphics card to the other slot in order to make the PCI-e slots accessible. Doing so freed up access to the PCI-e slots but created what seems to me a different problem - the graphics card was immediately above the fan of the PSU. There was a narrow gap between the card and the PSU. I was worried that the flow of the air from the PSU would overheat the graphics card - the PSU fan and the graphics card's fan faced other directly - so I placed the card back to where I had it to begin with. John |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 16:07:56 -0000 (UTC), "Yes"
wrote: I can't say I'm surprised at Amazon's price, but I have a very low opinion of their pricing on a lot of items anyway. I bought my mobo back in 2010 or so. It was a lot less costly then :-) IIRC, ASUS offered two similarly named mobos at the time when I bought it; perhaps one was for the European market and one for the U.S. ??? - shrug. Regardless, my mobo has held up well over the years and still does what I want it to do. Where it shows its age is wrt new tech. Data transfer speed is something I like, so it'd be nice to have USB 3.1 capability. And I seem to recall reading something about similar progress for SATA transfer speeds. My mobo of course handles USB 3.0, not the newer USB 3.1. In retrospect, the mobo is probably not a good match with the case because the PSU is located on the bottom. The mobo has two slots for a graphics card. I tried the suggestion to move the graphics card to the other slot in order to make the PCI-e slots accessible. Doing so freed up access to the PCI-e slots but created what seems to me a different problem - the graphics card was immediately above the fan of the PSU. There was a narrow gap between the card and the PSU. I was worried that the flow of the air from the PSU would overheat the graphics card - the PSU fan and the graphics card's fan faced other directly - so I placed the card back to where I had it to begin with. An older Asus than I'd first suspected. A bit. Mine, the Gigabyte, I'd as well suspect for design concepts dated closer to yours than not. (AMD's generation past on Bulldozer technology.) Perhaps a little more popular for a budget-builder's board, though, or less apt to pop in the Amazon's mystery-bin pricing rackets.... Gigabyte 78LMT (rev6.0) FX-8300 Octal (Hm, seems I can also run your processor.) Order Date: 5/26/2017 GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 (rev. 6.0) AM3+ AMD 760G + SB710 USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard 59.99 Wrong again...$178, as the board is probably originally worth half yours in the first place. ...If to linearly extrapolate on a factor of three, then makes your paid price roundabout (359/3=)$119. https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-7.../dp/B008TZZ4WC Amazon's just fine, more than fine, by the way. They're just another swinging player, swinging along where everyone has to follow the same simple rules as do you: To get over on them before they're on top of you and stay out of jail to continue to play. The game is named of course to date back to its obscure originality, called Caveat Emptor. I haven't bothered yet to install the USB3 point-zero drivers for mine, although I do exclusive use onboard video because I like it extra simple. Game play is far to proprietorially challenging for my league. I probably started to give on all that heat somewhere back with a 12-bay case, 4 DVD writers, and a slew of custom-wired, dinky-butted case fans, possibly ten, each I'd ingeniously thought out for placement, for that peculiar epoch in computing. As a result, I now put on one grapefruit-sized monster CPU cooler on all CPUs, regardless, for cheap $20 on-sale insurance, turn around, and just leave one case side, (the side opposite where the MB is mounted), off and removed. If laying the case on its side, on a table, letting heat arise up and out, so much the better;- I've both vertical- and horizontal-standing instances of removed case sides;- with one last residual case fan, a modern big-butted, and quiet, case fan dedicated to the HDD plane. And that's about all there is to not being bothered to button back up a case for all those scary-looking wires stuffed wherever is most convenient for stuff that gets jammed inside and out of sight. Easy-&-peasy, as you please, for doing less hard maintenance time. |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
Yes wrote:
Flasherly wrote: On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 07:18:02 -0000 (UTC), "Yes" wrote: I have an ASUS M4A89GTD PRO USB3 mobo. Damn -- $359... https://www.amazon.com/Asus-M4A89GTD.../dp/B003964KK8 If an older model for Amazon's hm, discretionary merchant-pricing slots. ASUS calling it a Pro/USB3 is a little redundant. I figured when I got a socket three, although Gigabyte and somewhat more dated by present driver standards, is it was probably how things are just done for USB3 convenience: you get USB3 stuck on the back-plane. Least I did, two plus two, for the extra dedicated USB3 ports sandwiched into thereabouts, alongside usual two USB2 ports adjacent the NetWerk RJ45 connection. Wow, you've got 12 USB2 (8-ports MID-board pin arrays), which is kind of totally something. . .I guess. ...Firewire, cool - the "standard" for sound recording gear for some time. Onboard graphics -- I like, the way to go, at least for me. But I only just paid $50 for the Gigabyte AM3 because the floor dropped out on octal cores, a little while ago, due to Ryzen. A low-wattage variant, primo -- octal bulldozer type, AKA .not. a 250-watt monstrosity, for an unheard-of $90 splurge, plus ensuring any driver related issues are grandfathered in. ...Probably goes like a duck into water in typical *nix box configs. Offhand, a Phenom six-cores sounds conceivably older, maybe a year or two, in the ASUS config. I can't believe, though, a build like that would eat two HDD, DVD, and case fan. Outer Limits stuff. Digging into PCs plain ain't done right if it ain't fun. And scared don't count when it's out of bounds;- most rules fall under: if you can pay then that's the ticket to play. I can't say I'm surprised at Amazon's price, but I have a very low opinion of their pricing on a lot of items anyway. I bought my mobo back in 2010 or so. It was a lot less costly then :-) IIRC, ASUS offered two similarly named mobos at the time when I bought it; perhaps one was for the European market and one for the U.S. ??? - shrug. Regardless, my mobo has held up well over the years and still does what I want it to do. Where it shows its age is wrt new tech. Data transfer speed is something I like, so it'd be nice to have USB 3.1 capability. And I seem to recall reading something about similar progress for SATA transfer speeds. My mobo of course handles USB 3.0, not the newer USB 3.1. In retrospect, the mobo is probably not a good match with the case because the PSU is located on the bottom. The mobo has two slots for a graphics card. I tried the suggestion to move the graphics card to the other slot in order to make the PCI-e slots accessible. Doing so freed up access to the PCI-e slots but created what seems to me a different problem - the graphics card was immediately above the fan of the PSU. There was a narrow gap between the card and the PSU. I was worried that the flow of the air from the PSU would overheat the graphics card - the PSU fan and the graphics card's fan faced other directly - so I placed the card back to where I had it to begin with. John Isn't the PSU fan "pulling" in the "exhaust" direction ? The warm cloud around the video, should be moving through the PSU. (Just as normally, a PSU would pull the warm cloud from the CPU, through the PSU cabinet.) And your motherboard has nice slots, as they're all Rev.2 type. https://s15.postimg.cc/8ueqc9mez/rev2_lanes.gif Older USB3 chips, have only a single lane (x1). The newer USB3.1 chips have x2 wiring and an x4 edge connector. So far, I haven't been "blown away" by the improvement. I don't have good enough test devices for that. Paul |
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On 10/06/2018 08:18, Yes wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: Yes wrote: I have an Antec 300 Illusion case. There are two USB 2.0 connector ports on the front. I'm thinking that I may want to upgrade them to USB 3.0. Has anyone upgraded USB 2 ports on a chassis to USB 3? I'd like to get some idea of what would need to be done. I could, of course, add a USB 3.0 hub instead, but it'd be nice to keep down the amount of clutter on my desk. The problem is getting the case mounting ports that fit that case. The USB port may not have its own bracket with tangs to snap into a hole in the case. Rather it will be soldered onto a PCB that is positioned behind the case. http://i53.tinypic.com/2ik886t.jpg My guess (since I couldn't find an inside view of that spot inside the case) is there is one PCB that has the USB ports, audio jacks, and LED soldered onto it and the wires run from the PCB. Do you have any spare drive bays? If so, you can get a drive bay hub that has one, or more, USB3 ports, like: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820223120 That adds 2 USB3 ports, 4 USB2 ports, an eSATA connection, and a card reader. This one only had an average rating so you might want to hunt around for other choices. If you have no spare SATA ports on the mobo then the eSATA connector in this drive hub would be dead. Same if you don't have any spare USB2 headers on the mobo. Sometimes there are USB2 headers on the mobo that are unused. You could connect those to this drive bay hub along with the USB3 header on the mobo. If your mobo only has USB2 headers then the mobo has no USB3 support which means you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard. Some USB3 cards have an internal USB3 connector you could use to go to the USB drive hub; however, often the internal USB connector is shared with one of the external USB ports on that card. You mention the case but not the motherboard, so no idea what you'll have to do to add USB3 support. No mention of what USB headers are already used on the mobo. If the mobo has it, run an unused USB3 header on the mobo to the USB drive hub. If not, you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard which will already give you USB3 external ports on the backside. If you get one with a USB3 internal port then you can move one of the backside (shared) USB3 ports to the front-facing USB drive hub. I have an ASUS M4A89GTD PRO USB3 mobo. It has two USB 3 ports and an eSATA connector on the back side of the case plus USB and SATA connectors on the mobo. The above board does not have an internal USB3 connector, if it had you would have been able to simply plug in the likes of this; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-USB-3-...oAAOSwc-tY2QfW A PCIe card could be acquired to implement the missing Internal USB3 connector, example; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHIC-Dual...sAAOSwnHda4Zyl However the above being quite a bit of cost, other options are; 1, Buy a USB3 Hub, example; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Ports-U...rbls z7jtLFzA 2, Simply buy a USB3 extension cable, eg; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G-Shield-...tQ--tgyT2XAjKA |
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Upgrading USB 2 to USB 3 ports on a computer case
Patrick wrote:
On 10/06/2018 08:18, Yes wrote: VanguardLH wrote: Yes wrote: I have an Antec 300 Illusion case. There are two USB 2.0 connector ports on the front. I'm thinking that I may want to upgrade them to USB 3.0. Has anyone upgraded USB 2 ports on a chassis to USB 3? I'd like to get some idea of what would need to be done. I could, of course, add a USB 3.0 hub instead, but it'd be nice to keep down the amount of clutter on my desk. The problem is getting the case mounting ports that fit that case. The USB port may not have its own bracket with tangs to snap into a hole in the case. Rather it will be soldered onto a PCB that is positioned behind the case. http://i53.tinypic.com/2ik886t.jpg My guess (since I couldn't find an inside view of that spot inside the case) is there is one PCB that has the USB ports, audio jacks, and LED soldered onto it and the wires run from the PCB. Do you have any spare drive bays? If so, you can get a drive bay hub that has one, or more, USB3 ports, like: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820223120 That adds 2 USB3 ports, 4 USB2 ports, an eSATA connection, and a card reader. This one only had an average rating so you might want to hunt around for other choices. If you have no spare SATA ports on the mobo then the eSATA connector in this drive hub would be dead. Same if you don't have any spare USB2 headers on the mobo. Sometimes there are USB2 headers on the mobo that are unused. You could connect those to this drive bay hub along with the USB3 header on the mobo. If your mobo only has USB2 headers then the mobo has no USB3 support which means you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard. Some USB3 cards have an internal USB3 connector you could use to go to the USB drive hub; however, often the internal USB connector is shared with one of the external USB ports on that card. You mention the case but not the motherboard, so no idea what you'll have to do to add USB3 support. No mention of what USB headers are already used on the mobo. If the mobo has it, run an unused USB3 header on the mobo to the USB drive hub. If not, you'll have to add a USB3 daughtercard which will already give you USB3 external ports on the backside. If you get one with a USB3 internal port then you can move one of the backside (shared) USB3 ports to the front-facing USB drive hub. I have an ASUS M4A89GTD PRO USB3 mobo. It has two USB 3 ports and an eSATA connector on the back side of the case plus USB and SATA connectors on the mobo. The above board does not have an internal USB3 connector, if it had you would have been able to simply plug in the likes of this; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-USB-3-...oAAOSwc-tY2QfW A PCIe card could be acquired to implement the missing Internal USB3 connector, example; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHIC-Dual...sAAOSwnHda4Zyl However the above being quite a bit of cost, other options are; 1, Buy a USB3 Hub, example; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Ports-U...rbls z7jtLFzA 2, Simply buy a USB3 extension cable, eg; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G-Shield-...tQ--tgyT2XAjKA Yes, option 1 is what I was talking about in my OP. Option 2 is one I had forgotten about. I'm already using a USB 2.0 extender on my other computer. John |
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