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Old November 13th 09, 12:42 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Yousuf Khan[_2_]
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

Intel pays AMD $1.25 billion, renews their cross-license agreement for
another 5 years, and drops any breach-of-contract lawsuits against AMD
(for spinning off its manufacturing arm into Global Foundaries). AMD is
now free to become completely fab-less. Some sort of private dispute
arbitrating mechanism has been setup between Intel and AMD.

However, government regulators might still go after Intel with their own
anti-trust cases.

Yousuf Khan

Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes - washingtonpost.com
"SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Intel Corp will pay rival chipmaker Advanced
Micro Devices Inc $1.25 billion to settle all outstanding legal
disputes, in a move that can hasten the resolution of Intel's antitrust
troubles."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111207822.html
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Old November 13th 09, 03:50 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Myers
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

On Nov 12, 6:42*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Intel pays AMD $1.25 billion, renews their cross-license agreement for
another 5 years, and drops any breach-of-contract lawsuits against AMD
(for spinning off its manufacturing arm into Global Foundaries). AMD is
now free to become completely fab-less. Some sort of private dispute
arbitrating mechanism has been setup between Intel and AMD.

However, government regulators might still go after Intel with their own
anti-trust cases.

* * * * Yousuf Khan

Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes - washingtonpost.com
"SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Intel Corp will pay rival chipmaker Advanced
Micro Devices Inc $1.25 billion to settle all outstanding legal
disputes, in a move that can hasten the resolution of Intel's antitrust
troubles."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR200...


Or

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...12-711668.html

It's subscription-only, but I'm sure that everyone here has a
subscription.

Same news, really, but from a source unlikely to be sympathetic to
anti-trust regulation.

Intel just bought off AMD. Without AMD's cooperation, government
regulators will have a much harder times making their cases. Good
deal for both companies. Lots of insider trading on this one, I'm
sure.

I'm relieved, Yousuf, I wondered how long you'd be able to contain
yourself.

Dell no longer offers really good deals on really good Intel
processors. You have to wade through crap, only to find out you can
get the good stuff at a lower price elsewhere.

Maybe AMD can now make something real out of the ATI connection.
That's the really bad news for Intel.

Robert.
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Old November 13th 09, 04:18 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Yousuf Khan[_2_]
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

Robert Myers wrote:
Same news, really, but from a source unlikely to be sympathetic to
anti-trust regulation.

Intel just bought off AMD. Without AMD's cooperation, government
regulators will have a much harder times making their cases. Good
deal for both companies. Lots of insider trading on this one, I'm
sure.


Where do you get the idea that AMD won't cooperate anymore? Just because
they got some pocket change, they're going to be sympathetic to Intel
now? The Wall Street Journal would have to be pretty delusioned if they
think this is the end for Intel. They already have guilty convictions in
Japan, Korea and the EU that will never go away.

Yousuf Khan
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Old November 13th 09, 04:47 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Myers
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

On Nov 12, 10:18*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Robert Myers wrote:
Same news, really, but from a source unlikely to be sympathetic to
anti-trust regulation.


Intel just bought off AMD. *Without AMD's cooperation, government
regulators will have a much harder times making their cases. *Good
deal for both companies. *Lots of insider trading on this one, I'm
sure.


Where do you get the idea that AMD won't cooperate anymore? Just because
they got some pocket change, they're going to be sympathetic to Intel
now? The Wall Street Journal would have to be pretty delusioned if they
think this is the end for Intel. They already have guilty convictions in
Japan, Korea and the EU that will never go away.


That's part of the payoff deal, Yousuf. It settles "outstanding
complaints," which would include Japan, Korea, and the EU. US anti-
trust regulators will continue to pursue Intel, because they aren't
part of the "outstanding complaints." Just how much enthusiasm the US
will have for such an enterprise is another matter. No one lost most
of their 401(k) because of Intel, and the US has lots more important
regulatory issues on the stove.

The snarky comment about subscriptions to the wsj was about arguing
about business issues with people who don't read the financial press.

Robert.


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Old November 17th 09, 01:17 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Del Cecchi
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes


"Robert Myers" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 10:18 pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Robert Myers wrote:
Same news, really, but from a source unlikely to be sympathetic to
anti-trust regulation.


Intel just bought off AMD. Without AMD's cooperation, government
regulators will have a much harder times making their cases. Good
deal for both companies. Lots of insider trading on this one, I'm
sure.


Where do you get the idea that AMD won't cooperate anymore? Just
because
they got some pocket change, they're going to be sympathetic to
Intel
now? The Wall Street Journal would have to be pretty delusioned if
they
think this is the end for Intel. They already have guilty
convictions in
Japan, Korea and the EU that will never go away.


That's part of the payoff deal, Yousuf. It settles "outstanding
complaints," which would include Japan, Korea, and the EU. US anti-
trust regulators will continue to pursue Intel, because they aren't
part of the "outstanding complaints." Just how much enthusiasm the US
will have for such an enterprise is another matter. No one lost most
of their 401(k) because of Intel, and the US has lots more important
regulatory issues on the stove.

The snarky comment about subscriptions to the wsj was about arguing
about business issues with people who don't read the financial press.

Robert.
-----------------

Me, I read it for the political commentary and coverage. The text
of the press release about the settlement should be widely available.

The club Intel had to force a settlement was the dispute as to whether
the cross licensing agreement AMD and Intel had could be used by third
parties like the spun off fab. All it would take is a little luck in
choice of judge and Intel gets an injunction prohibiting Global
Foundaries from making x86 chips using Intel patents until the case is
resolved.


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Old November 17th 09, 02:54 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
krw[_5_]
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:17:25 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Robert Myers" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 10:18 pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Robert Myers wrote:
Same news, really, but from a source unlikely to be sympathetic to
anti-trust regulation.


Intel just bought off AMD. Without AMD's cooperation, government
regulators will have a much harder times making their cases. Good
deal for both companies. Lots of insider trading on this one, I'm
sure.


Where do you get the idea that AMD won't cooperate anymore? Just
because
they got some pocket change, they're going to be sympathetic to
Intel
now? The Wall Street Journal would have to be pretty delusioned if
they
think this is the end for Intel. They already have guilty
convictions in
Japan, Korea and the EU that will never go away.


That's part of the payoff deal, Yousuf. It settles "outstanding
complaints," which would include Japan, Korea, and the EU. US anti-
trust regulators will continue to pursue Intel, because they aren't
part of the "outstanding complaints." Just how much enthusiasm the US
will have for such an enterprise is another matter. No one lost most
of their 401(k) because of Intel, and the US has lots more important
regulatory issues on the stove.

The snarky comment about subscriptions to the wsj was about arguing
about business issues with people who don't read the financial press.

Robert.
-----------------

Me, I read it for the political commentary and coverage. The text
of the press release about the settlement should be widely available.

The club Intel had to force a settlement was the dispute as to whether
the cross licensing agreement AMD and Intel had could be used by third
parties like the spun off fab. All it would take is a little luck in
choice of judge and Intel gets an injunction prohibiting Global
Foundaries from making x86 chips using Intel patents until the case is
resolved.


So IBM buys GF and makes a pile more money. ;-)
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Old November 17th 09, 03:33 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Myers
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

On Nov 16, 8:54*pm, krw wrote:

So IBM buys GF and makes a pile more money. *;-)


Leaving aside the pile of money that IBM doesn't have that it would
take to do that, it's hard for me to understand why or how IBM would
suddenly become competent (and profitable) as a manufacturer of mass
market chips.

No matter how incompetent (stubborn, hidebound, bumbling, whatever)
Intel may have been on the computer architecture/electrical
engineering front, it knows how to make lots of cutting edge chips at
a decent gross margin. That's apparently what's important to the
company, and that, aside from marketing, is what they apparently do
well. Their success at keeping that gross margin up is also what Wall
Street watches closely.

It isn't obvious to me what there is in any of these financial shell
games that will change any of that fundamental reality. If Global
Foundries can make high end chips with the same gross margins at
Intel, that will be the real development. There's a reason why IBM is
reduced to the role of R&D lab/technical adviser rather than
manufacturer.

Robert.

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Old November 17th 09, 05:09 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
krw[_5_]
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:33:45 -0800 (PST), Robert Myers
wrote:

On Nov 16, 8:54*pm, krw wrote:

So IBM buys GF and makes a pile more money. *;-)


Leaving aside the pile of money that IBM doesn't have that it would
take to do that, it's hard for me to understand why or how IBM would
suddenly become competent (and profitable) as a manufacturer of mass
market chips.


I see you're still as dumb as ever, Robert.

snip more bull****
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Old November 17th 09, 06:23 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Myers
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

On Nov 16, 11:09*pm, krw wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:33:45 -0800 (PST), Robert Myers

wrote:
On Nov 16, 8:54*pm, krw wrote:


So IBM buys GF and makes a pile more money. *;-)


Leaving aside the pile of money that IBM doesn't have that it would
take to do that, it's hard for me to understand why or how IBM would
suddenly become competent (and profitable) as a manufacturer of mass
market chips.


I see you're still as dumb as ever, Robert.


If there is some chapter in the history of IBM successes I have failed
to notice, please let us know. They were very profitable as a
manufacturer of punch cards between the two world wars, but they sold
even those at an obscene markup before it became illegal as trading
with the enemy.

Robert.

Robert.

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Old November 17th 09, 03:25 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Redelmeier
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Default news: Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion, settle disputes

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Robert Myers wrote in part:
No matter how incompetent (stubborn, hidebound, bumbling, whatever)
Intel may have been on the computer architecture/electrical
engineering front, it knows how to make lots of cutting edge chips
at a decent gross margin. That's apparently what's important
to the company, and that, aside from marketing, is what they
apparently do well. Their success at keeping that gross margin
up is also what Wall Street watches closely.


Your creative misinterpretation never ceases to amaze!

AFAICS (I'm not inside Intel, nor are you), their main
disasters (iAPX432, i860/960, IA-64, P4) have been marketing
driven ("gee, we see a market for these"), not from engineering
("how could we ever do that, why would we bother?")

Intels architecture, EE and process have been nothing less than
consistantly (30+ years) outstanding, rising to even the most
lunatic challenges from marketing, endorsed by management.
Which pulled them through their disasters. It is marketing
who has been as you describe "incompetent, stubborn, hidebound,
bumbling" and I would add illegal.

It isn't obvious to me what there is in any of these financial
shell games that will change any of that fundamental reality.
If Global Foundries can make high end chips with the same gross
margins at Intel, that will be the real development. There's a
reason why IBM is reduced to the role of R&D lab/technical adviser
rather than manufacturer.


Chip margins are composed of two separate things -- manufacturing
efficiency and product market dynamics. You can be as good as you
like, but if you're not printing the right masks, you'll wind up
like DRAM or flash. Intel has both.


-- Robert R


 




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