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  #21  
Old January 7th 04, 06:34 AM
tc
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I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32. Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've tried. But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice references to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could that be

a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is checked

too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and

Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq appears

on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find out

if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get the

hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find out

if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the workgroup name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not, install it and

put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck the NAME

of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the router. (Maybe

it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft

Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or Protocol.

(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service lets you

add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6

Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS

Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't got 2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give you a

list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many things to

try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried 3

different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500

desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and the

Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can all see

each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see past the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other by name

and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged by IP

address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the last 2

digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the networks

add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP installation CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any other

computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet, you should

be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and the

other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference be?

Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq Presario 1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into our home

network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on it

summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I have

tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of advice on the

Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard drive and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario 1800 with

XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not finding

what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July 2001...

Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by phone?)

Nan














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  #22  
Old January 7th 04, 06:41 AM
tc
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Posts: n/a
Default

You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32. Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've tried.

But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice references

to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could that

be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is checked

too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and

Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq

appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find

out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find

out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is

not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the workgroup

name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not, install it

and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck the

NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the router.

(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View

Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft

Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click

called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or

Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service lets you

add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6

Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS

Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't got 2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give you a

list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many things to

try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried 3

different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500

desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and the

Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can all see

each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see past

the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other by

name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged by IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the last 2

digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP installation CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any other

computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet, you

should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and the

other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference be?

Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq Presario

1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into our home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on it

summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I have

tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of advice on

the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard drive

and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario 1800

with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not finding

what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July 2001...

Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by phone?)

Nan














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  #23  
Old January 7th 04, 08:08 AM
Whelan
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Default

I'm not sure about that ... but most shared folders (music, photos, docs)
are on the FAT32 partitions. And the old Gateway (FAT32) can tap into
everything.

My main concern is that I'd like to be able to PRINT.
Nan

"Trai' La Trash" wrote in message
...
You do know NTFS can read Fat32 but Fat32 can't see NTFS right?

"just checking the obvious that's all"

Dave
"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've tried.

But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice references

to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could that

be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is checked

too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and

Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq

appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find

out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find

out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is

not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the workgroup

name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not, install it

and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck the

NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the router.

(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View

Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft

Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click

called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or

Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service lets you

add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6

Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS

Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't got 2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give you a

list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many things to

try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried 3

different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500

desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and the

Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can all see

each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see past

the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other by

name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged by IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the last 2

digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP installation CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any other

computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet, you

should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and the

other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference be?

Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq Presario

1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into our home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on it

summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I have

tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of advice on

the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard drive

and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario 1800

with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not finding

what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July 2001...

Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by phone?)

Nan














---

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  #24  
Old January 7th 04, 09:01 AM
Whelan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about "adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the router and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address for the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP addresses, not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was

checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32.

Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've tried.

But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's

name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice

references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could

that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is checked

too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and

Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq

appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find

out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to find

out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is

not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the workgroup

name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not, install it

and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck the

NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the router.

(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View

Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft

Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click

called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or

Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service lets

you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6

Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS

Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't got

2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give you a

list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many things

to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried 3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500

desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can all

see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see past

the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other by

name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged by

IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the last 2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the

networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP installation

CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet, you

should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and the

other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference be?

Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq Presario

1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into our

home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on it

summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I

have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of advice on

the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard drive

and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario 1800

with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not finding

what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July

2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by phone?)

Nan














---

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  #25  
Old January 7th 04, 07:14 PM
tc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies to you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if any are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the router

and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address for

the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP addresses,

not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was

checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32.

Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's

name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice

references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could

that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq

appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get

the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup

is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the workgroup

name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not, install

it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck

the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the router.

(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View

Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click

called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or

Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service lets

you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't

got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give you

a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried 3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can all

see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other by

name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged by

IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the last

2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the

networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP installation

CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet, you

should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and

the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference

be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into our

home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I

have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of advice

on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario 1800

with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July

2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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  #26  
Old January 7th 04, 10:14 PM
Kevin Childers
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Check for hidden spaces in the computer names and workgroups.
Occasionally an leading or trailing space ends up causing a bit of problem
connecting to the workgroup and/or the other computers in the workgroup.

KC


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the router

and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address for

the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP addresses,

not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was

checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32.

Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's

name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice

references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could

that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq

appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get

the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to use

this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup

is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the workgroup

name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not, install

it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck

the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the router.

(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View

Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click

called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or

Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service lets

you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't

got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give you

a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried 3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can all

see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other by

name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged by

IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the last

2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the

networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP installation

CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet, you

should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and

the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference

be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into our

home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I

have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of advice

on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario 1800

with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July

2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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  #27  
Old January 8th 04, 02:34 AM
Whelan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't because of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its

database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies to

you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if any

are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another

computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the router

and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address for

the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP addresses,

not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was

checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32.

Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's

name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice

references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could

that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get

the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck

the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service

lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't

got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give

you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried

3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and

the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can

all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other

by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged

by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the

last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the

networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet,

you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and

the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference

be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into

our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on

it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I

have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario

1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July

2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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  #28  
Old January 8th 04, 02:48 AM
Kevin Childers
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

You could always buy a stand alone print server device? Not the best
solution, but an option should all else fail.

KC

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't because

of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its

database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies to

you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If

you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if any

are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another

computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address

for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I

can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service,

and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I

get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service

lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft

IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give

you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell

4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and

the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can

all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the

last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet,

you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router

and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into

our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro

on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week

I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario

1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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  #29  
Old January 8th 04, 03:17 AM
Thagor
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I have a 4p router with parallel port print server on my net that works
flawless. My sharing is all turned off and all systems print directly to the
router. In most cases you can get the router with print server built-in for
less than the cost of a stand alone net print server. Check the prices, I
paid $40 US for mine.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't because

of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its

database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies to

you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If

you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if any

are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another

computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address

for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I

can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service,

and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I

get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service

lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft

IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give

you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell

4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and

the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can

all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the

last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet,

you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router

and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into

our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro

on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week

I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario

1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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  #30  
Old January 8th 04, 05:57 AM
tc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I give up. Maybe one of the services that XP requires is turned off. I don't
know which ones do what so I can't help there. If you have a real copy of
XP, have you tried a repair install?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't because

of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its

database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies to

you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If

you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if any

are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another

computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address

for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I

can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service,

and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I

get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service

lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft

IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give

you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell

4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and

the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can

all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the

last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet,

you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router

and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into

our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro

on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week

I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario

1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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