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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
On 4/3/2011 9:54 PM, Paul wrote:
g wrote: Currently that user is connected to a VGA port using a DVI adapter something like VGA port-DVI adapter-Wire from monitor He does not face any image degradation now. He is a typical office user, doing work in MS-Office, browsing the Web, watching some videos etc. Can I assume it would be OK to overlook the DVI(HDCP part)? You can ignore it, until you receive your next service request :-) It's possible he will never run into a problem. If he inserts an HD commercial movie, say on a Blu Ray disc, the movie player program he uses may put up a status message, instead of playing the movie. I don't know if can play a Blu-Ray disc. He has only a DVD writer LCD monitors come with the two finishes on the face. You can buy LCD monitors with a "matte" finish, which is intended as a glare solution. Or you can buy monitors with a "crystal" or "glass" finish, which doesn't make the image as fuzzy as matte does. For older users, under the right lighting conditions, a "crystal" finish can be superior, because it offers less parallax effects to text characters. ("Matte" looks like you're looking through two layers of material.) Thanks, instead of getting a anti-glare filter how about using a matte screen protector such as http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/24.0%...spect-Ratio%29 They appear to be a low cost option. Can you please offer some advice on it? When installing monitors, and choosing the finish type, you look at the local lighting conditions. For example, if I was in a location with lots of overhead fluorescent or high pressure lighting, there would be multiple reflections of lights coming off the monitor. I might go for a matte finish in that case (although I might have to compromise on that, if some other feature was more important to have). If the lighting is more controlled, the older gentleman is in a private office, a desk lamp can be strategically placed for lighting so the bulb doesn't bounce off the screen, that might allow a monitor with a "crystal" finish. Right now, I'm using a monitor with a "crystal" finish, and I have overhead incandescent lighting, and I see no reflection at all from that. A manufacturer could always try to add an AR coating to the exterior of a "crystal" finish monitor, but the problem with AR coatings in general, is they can be attacked by common household cleaners (things like ammonia). In my life, I've ruined a couple monitor faces, by cleaning them with ammonia based cleansers. This web page, was prepared by someone who contacted various tech supports at the LCD manufacturers, and got their advice. Some tech supports weren't prepared for the question, while others had at least some advice to offer. My "crystal" finish monitor can be cleaned with Windex, because it is plain glass on the outside. My monitor is "sneeze proof" because cleanup is a breeze. http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200...CDCleaning.htm "The following cleaners are acceptable: * Water * IPA (Isoprophyl Alcohol) * Hexane --- exposure limits ??? * Petroleum Benzine --- carcinogen ? The following cleaners are unacceptable: * Acetone * Ethyl alcohol * Toluene * Ethyl acid * Ammonia --- Why Windex might not be appropriate... * Methyl chloride" HTH, Paul Thanks a lot. That is very helpful. We use only water as a cleaner. We use a damp cloth and wipe the screens |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
g wrote:
Thanks, instead of getting a anti-glare filter how about using a matte screen protector such as http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/24.0%...spect-Ratio%29 It looks to be frameless, and has exact dimensions listed. So it probably fits within the recessed area of the screen. (My monitor has no recess, so I'd need a product with a frame, or some other attachment method like an adhesive.) It's $44, so that's a relief. There is a picture of a similar product here, so you can see what it looks like under reflective light conditions. You should be able to make up your mind, by looking at the pictures. http://www.photodon.com/c/LCD-Protec...l#photocompare Paul |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
Paul wrote:
g wrote: Thanks, instead of getting a anti-glare filter how about using a matte screen protector such as http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/24.0%...spect-Ratio%29 It looks to be frameless, and has exact dimensions listed. So it probably fits within the recessed area of the screen. (My monitor has no recess, so I'd need a product with a frame, or some other attachment method like an adhesive.) It's $44, so that's a relief. There is a picture of a similar product here, so you can see what it looks like under reflective light conditions. You should be able to make up your mind, by looking at the pictures. http://www.photodon.com/c/LCD-Protec...l#photocompare Paul That's what I get for being in a rush. It appears to attach via an adhesive on one side. "Silicone resin adhesion - No residue from glue or paste" I don't know whether that is a good thing or not. Maybe it doubles as "fly paper" when you're finished with it :-) Paul |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
On 4/5/2011 10:54 AM, Paul wrote:
Paul wrote: g wrote: Thanks, instead of getting a anti-glare filter how about using a matte screen protector such as http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/24.0%...spect-Ratio%29 It looks to be frameless, and has exact dimensions listed. So it probably fits within the recessed area of the screen. (My monitor has no recess, so I'd need a product with a frame, or some other attachment method like an adhesive.) It's $44, so that's a relief. There is a picture of a similar product here, so you can see what it looks like under reflective light conditions. You should be able to make up your mind, by looking at the pictures. http://www.photodon.com/c/LCD-Protec...l#photocompare Paul That's what I get for being in a rush. It appears to attach via an adhesive on one side. "Silicone resin adhesion - No residue from glue or paste" I don't know whether that is a good thing or not. Maybe it doubles as "fly paper" when you're finished with it :-) Paul So, if we get it we would need a silicone resin adhesion(we don't have that so need to buy that) to glue it with the monitor or some regular tape would do? More important would it function as a anti-glare filter at a low cost or does it have caveats which means getting a anti-glare filter would be better in the long run for the monitor? Thanks for your advice and time. |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
g wrote:
On 4/5/2011 10:54 AM, Paul wrote: Paul wrote: g wrote: Thanks, instead of getting a anti-glare filter how about using a matte screen protector such as http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/24.0%...spect-Ratio%29 It looks to be frameless, and has exact dimensions listed. So it probably fits within the recessed area of the screen. (My monitor has no recess, so I'd need a product with a frame, or some other attachment method like an adhesive.) It's $44, so that's a relief. There is a picture of a similar product here, so you can see what it looks like under reflective light conditions. You should be able to make up your mind, by looking at the pictures. http://www.photodon.com/c/LCD-Protec...l#photocompare Paul That's what I get for being in a rush. It appears to attach via an adhesive on one side. "Silicone resin adhesion - No residue from glue or paste" I don't know whether that is a good thing or not. Maybe it doubles as "fly paper" when you're finished with it :-) Paul So, if we get it we would need a silicone resin adhesion(we don't have that so need to buy that) to glue it with the monitor or some regular tape would do? More important would it function as a anti-glare filter at a low cost or does it have caveats which means getting a anti-glare filter would be better in the long run for the monitor? Thanks for your advice and time. Did you look at the picture ? The monitor on the left, has the film applied. http://www.photodon.com/MXFilmOniMacCompare05-250.jpg When viewed looking straight into the monitor, you don't see the film then. So if you're sitting right in front of the monitor, and not off to the side, it doesn't seem to be affecting the image. http://www.photodon.com/MXFilmOniMacCompare02-250.jpg When you buy the $44 item, it comes with a peel-off protective sheet on the back. Under the protective sheet, is a slightly-adhesive layer. That is what holds the film in place. So the adhesive is pre applied and ready to go. There is nothing else to buy. I make fun of it, because so many adhesives start off with the grand objective of leaving no residue, but few live up to their billing. On the short term, a lot of adhesives function as they should. But left in place long enough, attacked by UV light or ozone, can change the composition and result in a residue. So the question for you is, go back and look at the first picture again. Would your user accept a monitor, with that kind of finish on the outside ? It's too bad 3M doesn't sell a kit, with a big piece of anti-glare in it, some hook arms, and leave it to the user to cut it to size. The nice thing about a solution that hangs from the monitor, is it is easy to remove on a moment's notice. I wonder if you went to a plastics store, whether they would sell a product like that (something that can be cut to size). We have at least one store here, that stocks all kinds of plastic products. Everything st that place is expensive, so it's not really a good place for hobbyists or home projects. (On the other hand, if I go to a glass shop, I can still afford window glass :-) ) Paul |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
On 4/6/2011 9:59 AM, Paul wrote:
g wrote: On 4/5/2011 10:54 AM, Paul wrote: Paul wrote: g wrote: Thanks, instead of getting a anti-glare filter how about using a matte screen protector such as http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/24.0%...spect-Ratio%29 It looks to be frameless, and has exact dimensions listed. So it probably fits within the recessed area of the screen. (My monitor has no recess, so I'd need a product with a frame, or some other attachment method like an adhesive.) It's $44, so that's a relief. There is a picture of a similar product here, so you can see what it looks like under reflective light conditions. You should be able to make up your mind, by looking at the pictures. http://www.photodon.com/c/LCD-Protec...l#photocompare Paul That's what I get for being in a rush. It appears to attach via an adhesive on one side. "Silicone resin adhesion - No residue from glue or paste" I don't know whether that is a good thing or not. Maybe it doubles as "fly paper" when you're finished with it :-) Paul So, if we get it we would need a silicone resin adhesion(we don't have that so need to buy that) to glue it with the monitor or some regular tape would do? More important would it function as a anti-glare filter at a low cost or does it have caveats which means getting a anti-glare filter would be better in the long run for the monitor? Thanks for your advice and time. Did you look at the picture ? The monitor on the left, has the film applied. http://www.photodon.com/MXFilmOniMacCompare05-250.jpg When viewed looking straight into the monitor, you don't see the film then. So if you're sitting right in front of the monitor, and not off to the side, it doesn't seem to be affecting the image. http://www.photodon.com/MXFilmOniMacCompare02-250.jpg When you buy the $44 item, it comes with a peel-off protective sheet on the back. Under the protective sheet, is a slightly-adhesive layer. That is what holds the film in place. So the adhesive is pre applied and ready to go. There is nothing else to buy. I make fun of it, because so many adhesives start off with the grand objective of leaving no residue, but few live up to their billing. On the short term, a lot of adhesives function as they should. But left in place long enough, attacked by UV light or ozone, can change the composition and result in a residue. So the question for you is, go back and look at the first picture again. Would your user accept a monitor, with that kind of finish on the outside ? Thanks for clarifying. The user is not picky about the finish on the outside as long as there is no residue on the monitor. He just needs proper anti-glare. So, if the film can function as well as an anti-glare filter from 3M, then it is cost effective. Thanks for your advice and time. |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
On 4/9/2011 11:51 AM, Joel wrote:
wrote: My only guess that he may need to adjust the brightness of his monitor, and it may take few days to get used to with the new setting. This is based on my experience with newer/different monitors I have changed in decades of using computer. I tinkered with the brightness and color temperature a while ago, but the user was not satisfied. That's normal, because most people are not happy with whatever default setting so that's the reason why the monitors come with the adjusting to please different people. Then tens/hundreds of million of people have sastified with their personal choices If the minitor hasn't killed the owner now then I believe s/he will stay alive for awhile longer. To me it isn't the end of the world so s/he has to learn to live with whatever the world has to offer The userhas a tinderbox nature. If something does not act as fast as he wants on his computer, he blames me. Check with Amazaon or similar there you often see the feedbacks http://www.viewguard.com/en-us/search/Glare%20Screen/ Viewguard products matte screen protectors are cost effective. How do these screen protectors compare with the anti-glare filters? In general, protection means a piece of thin plastic to protect the screen being scratched from some sharp object, Anti-Glare is a special formular or design to reduce the glare on the surface of glass. Example - Protection, some wildlife photographers who do lot of shooting in the dirty condition (mud, dirty water, small flying rock etc.) they protect the lens by using a clear filter. - Anti-Glare, similar to monitor, GPS, eBook reader, the difference between Eyeglass with and without anti-glare look like these. a. Without anti-glare, in brighter condtion, or some light shine to it then it may turn into a mirror. b. With anti-glare, you can see all abjects behind the anti-glare class. Link below for example http://www.readingglassesetc.com/eyeglass-lenses.html There are many samples, but as a professional photographer, eBook, GPS, as well as anti-glare eyesgless owner I have some personal experience with those. Example 1. Photography, there is a special filter that you can add to the lens so you can be able to photograph object behind normal glass or through water. 2. When photography people wearing regular eyeglass you may have to photograph with different angle, or asking the person to remove the eyeglass etc.. If the personal wearing anti-glare eyesglass then it's a different story 3. Then the anti-glare glass vs Anti-glass COATING vs add-on. There are different choices, designs, qualilities for any of us to say this or that is the only answer. Thanks for the suggestions, we have to get the matte coating which would function as a anti-glare and be a low-cost option. I appreciate your advice and time. Also, if I am nit mistaken some manufacture has anti-glare LCD monitor and the price isn't much more expensive than normal. http://www.geardiary.com/2011/02/01/...nitor-from-hp/ Yes, the HP L1950 which the user has comes with a anti-glare feature as per http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/q.../12802_na.HTML But, it is not sufficient for the user. Thanks for your advice and time. |
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choosing size of anti-glare filter for a Dell XPS one and DellST2420L 24" W Full HD Monitor
On 4/18/2011 6:55 PM, Joel wrote:
wrote: 3. Then the anti-glare glass vs Anti-glass COATING vs add-on. There are different choices, designs, qualilities for any of us to say this or that is the only answer. Thanks for the suggestions, we have to get the matte coating which would function as a anti-glare and be a low-cost option. I appreciate your advice and time. I believe the COATING only available for eyeglasses and it's more than just a spray liquid. I also believe that some anti-glass uses on GPS is probably similar to eyeglasses that you don't want to clean it with alcohol or similar which may removing the anti-glare coating. Similar to the transition lens (transition eyeglasses) the expensive type is usually a thinner layer in between 2 glasses (sandwich) this will last for many years if not almost forever. The cheaper type is pretty much like a coating added to the surface of glass which may last for some months or around 1-2 years (depending on the quality), and it usually turn YELLOW and stop working (wearing out). Too many and it's hard to be able to list them all. Thanks for clarifying that. I thought the coating was for monitors and it was a low cost option. |
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