P4 Extreme Edition discontinued

"JK" wrote in message
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Where did you see that?

Judd wrote:

There's a 3.73 MHz part coming late next month along with the 925XE


It's been in the news for some time. Q4 announcement likely to come soon.
925XE is supposed to have the 1 GHz bus and probable support for DDR2-667.
The new EE chip has a 2 MB L2 cache kind of like the Dothan's and is on a
90nm part. Should be a screamer. It's the first of the 700 series of
Pentiums.

Ed wrote:

I don't understand why the EE costs so much, how much more could it cost
them to make a EE, I thought Intel chips were supposed to get faster and
cheaper, 300mm wafers @ 90nm, what's the problem? Just pure greed?

They don't want them putting price pressure on their mainstream chips.
It's not like they really want to sell many EE's - they just want
something that looks good in the benchmarks, so it's less apparent
that they are getting their butts kicked by the A64.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:54 -0600, "Judd" wrote:


"JK" wrote in message
...
Where did you see that?

Judd wrote:

There's a 3.73 MHz part coming late next month along with the 925XE


It's been in the news for some time. Q4 announcement likely to come soon.
925XE is supposed to have the 1 GHz bus and probable support for DDR2-667.
The new EE chip has a 2 MB L2 cache kind of like the Dothan's and is on a
90nm part. Should be a screamer. It's the first of the 700 series of
Pentiums.


"EE edition"... "XE edition"... sounds like car mfrs when they have a
turkey on their hands.... 'coming to you from the performance division of
Intel'?gulp. So is this thing going to have EM64T and will the 925XE
have the 36-bit data on FSB?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

"George Macdonald" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:54 -0600, "Judd" wrote:


"JK" wrote in message
...
Where did you see that?

Judd wrote:

There's a 3.73 MHz part coming late next month along with the 925XE


It's been in the news for some time. Q4 announcement likely to come
soon.
925XE is supposed to have the 1 GHz bus and probable support for
DDR2-667.
The new EE chip has a 2 MB L2 cache kind of like the Dothan's and is on a
90nm part. Should be a screamer. It's the first of the 700 series of
Pentiums.


"EE edition"... "XE edition"... sounds like car mfrs when they have a
turkey on their hands.... 'coming to you from the performance division of
Intel'?gulp. So is this thing going to have EM64T and will the 925XE
have the 36-bit data on FSB?

Rgds, George Macdonald

I'm almost sure it will have EM64T as it seems Intel will finally release it
for Prescott. I presume it will have the kludgy 36-bit Xeon MP borrowed
data too... or is it 40-bit?

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:10:04 -0500, Ed wrote:

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:51:24 -0400, George Macdonald
wrote:

Sorry, I can't help it, I've been brainwashed. ;p

What? You're not going to blame the AMD "gang of thugs" in this NG for
your err, bias?:-)


I blame Intel.

Good plan. Go after the deeep pockets! ;-)

--
Keith

JK wrote:

Judd wrote:

There's a 3.73 MHz part coming late next month along with the 925XE

Where did you see that?

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2117
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2152

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:48:18 -0600, "Judd" wrote:


"George Macdonald" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:54 -0600, "Judd" wrote:


"JK" wrote in message
...
Where did you see that?

Judd wrote:

There's a 3.73 MHz part coming late next month along with the 925XE


It's been in the news for some time. Q4 announcement likely to come
soon.
925XE is supposed to have the 1 GHz bus and probable support for
DDR2-667.
The new EE chip has a 2 MB L2 cache kind of like the Dothan's and is on a
90nm part. Should be a screamer. It's the first of the 700 series of
Pentiums.


"EE edition"... "XE edition"... sounds like car mfrs when they have a
turkey on their hands.... 'coming to you from the performance division of
Intel'?gulp. So is this thing going to have EM64T and will the 925XE
have the 36-bit data on FSB?

Rgds, George Macdonald

I'm almost sure it will have EM64T as it seems Intel will finally release it
for Prescott. I presume it will have the kludgy 36-bit Xeon MP borrowed
data too... or is it 40-bit?

It's 36-bit and according to the data sheets, the 925X does not have the
extra 4 bits on FSB. Can they add them for 925XE?... I dunno but from my
POV the marketing people at Intel are fiddling with disaster.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:34:52 -0400, JK wrote:

I saw prices around $825 for the P4 3.2 EE. Still too close to the
$1,000 P4 3.4 EE.

The two prices I quoted were from www.newegg.com, a nice handy shop
that I often use for quoting prices. I'm sure other spots might have
one chip or the other for a bit cheaper, particularly if you check the
Pricewatch bottom-feeders.

Imo the Athlon FX-51 is being discontinued since
the Athlon 64 3800+ is probably less expensive to make than the
FX-51, and seems to perform at least as well in almost all benchmarks.

Yeah, that's part of it too. Same deal goes for Intel's P4EE vs. P4
line. The 3.6GHz P4 beats out the 3.2GHz P4EE in most benchmarks but
is cheaper to produce and to sell. Since presumably this chip is
going to enter wide-scale production and availability soon, it makes
sense to discontinue the 3.2GHz P4EE.

With the prices and market segments for these Extreme Edition and FX
chips it really only makes sense to have a single, top-of-the-line
chip at any given time. Anything else is just too expensive and no
one is going to buy them.

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Tony Hill
hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:21:58 -0500, Ed wrote:
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:10:02 -0400, Keith wrote:

It could also be Extreme Envy. They had do do *something* to fill the
performace charts. Did anyone actually buy one?

I don't understand why the EE costs so much, how much more could it cost
them to make a EE, I thought Intel chips were supposed to get faster and
cheaper, 300mm wafers @ 90nm, what's the problem? Just pure greed?

Production price has VERY little to do with selling price, it almost
all comes down to market factors, product positioning and all those
other fun things that us CS, IT and engineering types like to avoid at
all costs.

I just ordered a nf3-250 mobo and 3200+ newcastle for under $300, I just
couldn't buy an Intel, not really sure why, must be because all my
friends have A64s, funny cause they wouldn't touch an AMD just a couple
years ago.

Peer pressure on CPU purchases? Eh, why not... It's worked for cars,
clothes, stereo equipment and any number of other things... :

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Tony Hill
hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca

"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...
This article states that the original P4EE is being discontinued.

Who cares? I think $100 is too much for a CPU. But $400+??! Ouch.
Indy cars are cool, but not very practical as grocery-getters. (I'm not a
3D gamer or anything like that though, but I think that segment may get
too much press rather than more practical computing).

AJ