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![]() "Mr.E Solved!" wrote in message ... John Lewis wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:43:50 -0400, Folk wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:37:34 -0400, "Mr.E Solved!" wrote: Folk wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:45:34 GMT, (John Lewis) wrote: Verizon provides me a near fault-free service with no bandwidth caps or erratic upload bandwidth, so I have no real inclination to change ISP providers [...] So, I say farewell to a couple of my favorite alt. groups.. I never understood people who based their ISP decisions on the quality of their Usenet service. Most folks long ago wised up and went with a third-party email service so that changing ISP's or crappy ISP related mail service wasn't a big issue, so why don't they do the same with Usenet? If all you're interested in is text based groups, then there are scores of independent Usenet providers who can hook you up for next to nothing. Even premium Usenet provider who offer all the groups and no download limits (or at least reasonable download limits) can be had for around $10/month. By your logic ISPs should not even offer email, nor should anyone pick an ISP based on their email service.. since you can get email at any third party provider. Regardless of the breach of contract by cutting out an enumerated service, regardless of the same old witch-hunt war-cry of child-sex vagaries, this is an attack on the free exchange of information. Not everyone has the same priorities as you Folk, nor do they roll over as easily when they tell you you're in for a rogering. Tell us Folk, what services exactly should ISPs provide for the end user? Looks like a couple of people already provided the answer that you already knew (based on my post ) that I would provide. My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. A very valid reason actually, for those of us who have long-term memorable email addresses and excellent spam filters. It just seems odd to me that the OP would bid farewell to a newsgroup just because his ISP decided to do something stupid. Traffic on the particular alt. (computer/console-hardware) groups to which I subscribe has shrunk significantly over the past year or two, so the loss to me is not great and there are other forums available in which I actively participate. The Verizon decision to eliminate ALL alt. groups from their newservers instead of selectively filtering well-known culprit-groups - a technically trivial task - bears the hall-marks of a truly arrogant company that does not put their customers first. John Lewis Correct, as the hidden motive as always is profit. Here are Verizon's motivations: 1) USEnet carries a huge percentage of internet traffic, proportionally large for the number of users. (alt.binaries.*) Yep. 2) USEnet is non-commercial by charter and any attempts to commercialize USEnet will fail. Yep. 3) USEnet is distributed and thusly prohibitively difficult to fall under complete corporate or covert control. Yep. 4) USEnet is not popular therefore its elimination will go mostly unnoticed. Not popular with business, you mean. Odd thing it, it should be. It constitutes a comm line for people everywhere. aka unrestricted community. 5) USEnet can be accessed by other means, so they feel no responsibility in maintaining access. Perhaps, but no one seems to want to list links for that. 6) USEnet can provide cover for illegal and immoral acts Unfortunately. That's too bad. They can hire people to monitor that. 7) Part of a larger, more sinister overarching plan to commercialize and profit off of all human activities and output, a creativity tax if you will. For that they should be prohibited. 8) Verizon loses money every time someone uses the internet from their Verizon account. Waaaa. Tough for them. They do not understand the Internet and the function it serves. Many of the technical problems are trivial and already solved, even already implemented. Laws already exist a hundred times over, the world over to punish actual criminals of any possible human activity imaginable including those who use USEnet. The only real concern is bandwidth: by failing to invest in infrastructure Verizon and other ISPs find themselves in a similar position as an airline that has overbooked the available number of seats on a flight. When you get bumped off a flight you are required to be overcompensated by law, to teach the airlines to better manage their booking systems. With Internet access, instead of getting you on the next flight and vouchers or discounts for future travel Verizon simply cuts off a few destinations for everyone since "You all really don't want to go there anyway and if you do, fly with someone else since you are probably smuggling something and you have too much luggage. Besides, we really really need the planes elsewhere." Invest in infrastructure. |
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![]() "Frank" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:07:48 +0100, Mark Morrison said... On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:22:03 -0400, Folk wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:45:34 GMT, (John Lewis) wrote: Verizon provides me a near fault-free service with no bandwidth caps or erratic upload bandwidth, so I have no real inclination to change ISP providers [...] So, I say farewell to a couple of my favorite alt. groups.. I never understood people who based their ISP decisions on the quality of their Usenet service. Most folks long ago wised up and went with a third-party email service so that changing ISP's or crappy ISP related mail service wasn't a big issue, so why don't they do the same with Usenet? If all you're interested in is text based groups, then there are scores of independent Usenet providers who can hook you up for next to nothing. Even premium Usenet provider who offer all the groups and no download limits (or at least reasonable download limits) can be had for around $10/month. I switched to Giganews years ago, but I also use it for binaries. I stopped using Roadrunner's news servers over a year ago, and hooked up with a paid Usenet provider also (Newsguy). Tried Giganews, and they were good, but frankly other providers offer comparable service and are less expensive. I get 50 Gig through Newsguy for $8 month, and the closet account at Giganews was 25 Gigs for $13 month. Newsguy also has a 10 Gig / $3 month option, compared to 2 Gig / $8 month at Giganews. I also liked the fact that Newsguy rolls over my unused dload capacity each month, and Giganews didn't. For what it's worth, Newsguy is offering a free month of newsgroup access to Roadrunner & Verizon customers... http://newsguy.com/freemonth.htm - F Thanks. This is the first useful post in all of this whining drivel. |
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![]() "Google Spams The Internet" wrote in message news:ZLc8k.28054$Jx.482@pd7urf1no... Another way to block Google. Thanks sittingduck http://usenet4all.se/ NEAT! Information No more google groups posts on this server. If you want to read postings from google then use google. Screw Google use www.dogpile.com www.yahoo.com www.msn.com http://improve-usenet.org/index.html http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/06...illing-usenet/ |
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:16:39 -0600, "Graystar"
wrote: My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. Horsehockey. People have email addresses for business, pal. It IS a valid reason. Sometimes essential. Just because it does not fit YOUR model, doesn't mean it isn't valid. If your business email address is important to you, then you should have your own domain. doesn't really cut it. |
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:24:24 -0600, "Graystar"
wrote: Thanks. This is the first useful post in all of this whining drivel. Too stupid too Google for Usenet providers? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...enet+providers |
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![]() "Folk" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:16:39 -0600, "Graystar" wrote: My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. Horsehockey. People have email addresses for business, pal. It IS a valid reason. Sometimes essential. Just because it does not fit YOUR model, doesn't mean it isn't valid. If your business email address is important to you, then you should have your own domain. doesn't really cut it. A domain is not essential to all businesses. Clearly, your dexterity at spelling equals triheens. |
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![]() "Folk" wrote in message On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:24:24 -0600, "Graystar" wrote: Thanks. This is the first useful post in all of this whining drivel. Too stupid too Google for Usenet providers? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...enet+providers Aaah yes, another case of insipid oneirataxia with a useless post. |
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:32:08 -0600, "Graystar"
wrote: "Folk" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:16:39 -0600, "Graystar" wrote: My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. Horsehockey. People have email addresses for business, pal. It IS a valid reason. Sometimes essential. Just because it does not fit YOUR model, doesn't mean it isn't valid. If your business email address is important to you, then you should have your own domain. doesn't really cut it. A domain is not essential to all businesses. Read much? Clearly, your dexterity at spelling equals triheens. The domain name misspelling was for effect, but then... |
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![]() "Folk" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:32:08 -0600, "Graystar" wrote: "Folk" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:16:39 -0600, "Graystar" wrote: My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. Horsehockey. People have email addresses for business, pal. It IS a valid reason. Sometimes essential. Just because it does not fit YOUR model, doesn't mean it isn't valid. If your business email address is important to you, then you should have your own domain. doesn't really cut it. A domain is not essential to all businesses. Read much? Clearly, your dexterity at spelling equals triheens. The domain name misspelling was for effect, but then... Not much of an 'effect' and to no point. If I wanted to talk to a vegetable, I'd have bought one at the market. Go back to your TRS-80 pocket computer |
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