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FYI: Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
John Lewis wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:43:50 -0400, Folk wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:37:34 -0400, "Mr.E Solved!" wrote: Folk wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:45:34 GMT, (John Lewis) wrote: Verizon provides me a near fault-free service with no bandwidth caps or erratic upload bandwidth, so I have no real inclination to change ISP providers [...] So, I say farewell to a couple of my favorite alt. groups.. I never understood people who based their ISP decisions on the quality of their Usenet service. Most folks long ago wised up and went with a third-party email service so that changing ISP's or crappy ISP related mail service wasn't a big issue, so why don't they do the same with Usenet? If all you're interested in is text based groups, then there are scores of independent Usenet providers who can hook you up for next to nothing. Even premium Usenet provider who offer all the groups and no download limits (or at least reasonable download limits) can be had for around $10/month. By your logic ISPs should not even offer email, nor should anyone pick an ISP based on their email service.. since you can get email at any third party provider. Regardless of the breach of contract by cutting out an enumerated service, regardless of the same old witch-hunt war-cry of child-sex vagaries, this is an attack on the free exchange of information. Not everyone has the same priorities as you Folk, nor do they roll over as easily when they tell you you're in for a rogering. Tell us Folk, what services exactly should ISPs provide for the end user? Looks like a couple of people already provided the answer that you already knew (based on my post ) that I would provide. My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. A very valid reason actually, for those of us who have long-term memorable email addresses and excellent spam filters. It just seems odd to me that the OP would bid farewell to a newsgroup just because his ISP decided to do something stupid. Traffic on the particular alt. (computer/console-hardware) groups to which I subscribe has shrunk significantly over the past year or two, so the loss to me is not great and there are other forums available in which I actively participate. The Verizon decision to eliminate ALL alt. groups from their newservers instead of selectively filtering well-known culprit-groups - a technically trivial task - bears the hall-marks of a truly arrogant company that does not put their customers first. John Lewis Correct, as the hidden motive as always is profit. Here are Verizon's motivations: 1) USEnet carries a huge percentage of internet traffic, proportionally large for the number of users. (alt.binaries.*) 2) USEnet is non-commercial by charter and any attempts to commercialize USEnet will fail. 3) USEnet is distributed and thusly prohibitively difficult to fall under complete corporate or covert control. 4) USEnet is not popular therefore its elimination will go mostly unnoticed. 5) USEnet can be accessed by other means, so they feel no responsibility in maintaining access. 6) USEnet can provide cover for illegal and immoral acts 7) Part of a larger, more sinister overarching plan to commercialize and profit off of all human activities and output, a creativity tax if you will. 8) Verizon loses money every time someone uses the internet from their Verizon account. Many of the technical problems are trivial and already solved, even already implemented. Laws already exist a hundred times over, the world over to punish actual criminals of any possible human activity imaginable including those who use USEnet. The only real concern is bandwidth: by failing to invest in infrastructure Verizon and other ISPs find themselves in a similar position as an airline that has overbooked the available number of seats on a flight. When you get bumped off a flight you are required to be overcompensated by law, to teach the airlines to better manage their booking systems. With Internet access, instead of getting you on the next flight and vouchers or discounts for future travel Verizon simply cuts off a few destinations for everyone since "You all really don't want to go there anyway and if you do, fly with someone else since you are probably smuggling something and you have too much luggage. Besides, we really really need the planes elsewhere." Invest in infrastructure. |
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Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
"Blig Merk" wrote in message ... It isn't just Verizon. There is a big list of the major ISP's doing the same thing. This will eventually kill off Usenet since Usenet is not based on central servers but is distributed across multiple ISP newsgroup servers. This was part of the strength of using it to distribute pirate binaries since shutting out one point only meant a piece of the whole file was lost for awhile until it would be picked up at another point. Now, if all the major ISP's agree to not carry those pieces, then those groups eventually dry up and disappear. The only problem is that it will probably start taking down other non- related newsgroups. Usenet has been dying for years anyway. It used to be the place for historical computer events a long time ago. Google groups has a reference showing historical computer events that happened on. This is one list of firsts that happened on Usenet: http://yak.net/fqa/297.html Becaue of fags like you |
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Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
It's not just Verizon.
Road Runner (Time-Warner, Northeast Ohio) cut off ***ALL*** newsgroups with no warning as of today. ALL of them. The entire service is simply gone. No more newsgroups on Time-Warner Road Runner unless you use some 3rd party server. Ding Dong wrote: "Blig Merk" wrote in message ... It isn't just Verizon. There is a big list of the major ISP's doing the same thing. This will eventually kill off Usenet since Usenet is not based on central servers but is distributed across multiple ISP newsgroup servers. This was part of the strength of using it to distribute pirate binaries since shutting out one point only meant a piece of the whole file was lost for awhile until it would be picked up at another point. Now, if all the major ISP's agree to not carry those pieces, then those groups eventually dry up and disappear. The only problem is that it will probably start taking down other non- related newsgroups. Usenet has been dying for years anyway. It used to be the place for historical computer events a long time ago. Google groups has a reference showing historical computer events that happened on. This is one list of firsts that happened on Usenet: http://yak.net/fqa/297.html Becaue of fags like you ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
"John Lewis" wrote in message ... You know Google is a ****ass company based on almost one thing..Spam. They spam everything, the entire Internet is full of Google originated spam. ****ing block Google with Protowall or Peer Guardian or some other packet blocker or method if you know how. HTML Gateways and Google Groups are for Internet Nubs and the main reasons why ISP's are dumping groups and Usenet service altogether. Why let some asshole company make money from you for free so you can use a pretty HTML ad infested privacy killing interface as they ad-sense your IP? how many great usenet group were just abandoned to the spammers? Thousands..mainly thanks to Google that POS Spamming company. www.dogpile.com www.yahoo.com www.msn.com |
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Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
Another way to block Google.
Thanks sittingduck http://usenet4all.se/ Information No more google groups posts on this server. If you want to read postings from google then use google. Screw Google use www.dogpile.com www.yahoo.com www.msn.com http://improve-usenet.org/index.html http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/06...illing-usenet/ |
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Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
Barry Watzman wrote:
It's not just Verizon. Road Runner (Time-Warner, Northeast Ohio) cut off ***ALL*** newsgroups with no warning as of today. ALL of them. The entire service is simply gone. No more newsgroups on Time-Warner Road Runner unless you use some 3rd party server. Ding Dong wrote: "Blig Merk" wrote in message ... It isn't just Verizon. There is a big list of the major ISP's doing the same thing. This will eventually kill off Usenet since Usenet is not based on central servers but is distributed across multiple ISP newsgroup servers. This was part of the strength of using it to distribute pirate binaries since shutting out one point only meant a piece of the whole file was lost for awhile until it would be picked up at another point. Now, if all the major ISP's agree to not carry those pieces, then those groups eventually dry up and disappear. The only problem is that it will probably start taking down other non- related newsgroups. Usenet has been dying for years anyway. It used to be the place for historical computer events a long time ago. Google groups has a reference showing historical computer events that happened on. This is one list of firsts that happened on Usenet: http://yak.net/fqa/297.html Becaue of fags like you ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** My Australian ISP shut off Usenet last year, after lots of media coverage of porn, etc. However they did start again after a couple of months, with the binaries missing. I find newsgroups like these important information sources. The lack of binaries is no loss, for me. Although I don't like being censored. You never know when "they" will stop. |
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FYI: Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:07:48 +0100, Mark Morrison said...
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:22:03 -0400, Folk wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:45:34 GMT, (John Lewis) wrote: Verizon provides me a near fault-free service with no bandwidth caps or erratic upload bandwidth, so I have no real inclination to change ISP providers [...] So, I say farewell to a couple of my favorite alt. groups.. I never understood people who based their ISP decisions on the quality of their Usenet service. Most folks long ago wised up and went with a third-party email service so that changing ISP's or crappy ISP related mail service wasn't a big issue, so why don't they do the same with Usenet? If all you're interested in is text based groups, then there are scores of independent Usenet providers who can hook you up for next to nothing. Even premium Usenet provider who offer all the groups and no download limits (or at least reasonable download limits) can be had for around $10/month. I switched to Giganews years ago, but I also use it for binaries. I stopped using Roadrunner's news servers over a year ago, and hooked up with a paid Usenet provider also (Newsguy). Tried Giganews, and they were good, but frankly other providers offer comparable service and are less expensive. I get 50 Gig through Newsguy for $8 month, and the closet account at Giganews was 25 Gigs for $13 month. Newsguy also has a 10 Gig / $3 month option, compared to 2 Gig / $8 month at Giganews. I also liked the fact that Newsguy rolls over my unused dload capacity each month, and Giganews didn't. For what it's worth, Newsguy is offering a free month of newsgroup access to Roadrunner & Verizon customers... http://newsguy.com/freemonth.htm - F |
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Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
Why not cut out all the yakking and
post some links to subscription Usenet Newsgroup services that have everything. Money talks. So do Subscribers. Best way to get back at the ISPs is to make them suffer by losing subscribers. It worked to slam AOHell... so do it to the rest of them until they "learn" that freedom is required, demanded, and will not be abridged or amended. They can slam spammers, malware purveyors, terrorists & conspirators, but not to do so by diminishing services to subscribers. IMVHO. "John Lewis" wrote in message I am a Verizon Online (DSL) subscriber and have just read their announcement, quoted befow verbatim:- ================================================== ============== Dear Verizon Online Customer, As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service. On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using our Newsgroup service. comp.* humanities.* misc.* news.* rec.* sci.* soc.* talk.* More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at: http://www.big-8.org/. This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy. There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190 IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy. We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in the future. Sincerely, Verizon Online ================================================== ==== Since the only alt. groups to which I subscribe are computer/console hardware-related, this is not particularly discomforting for me. There are alternate forums for such discussions. However, I sympathise with those who subscribe to many of the (non-porn) social groups. Verizon could have easily implemented fiters for the few dozen "nasties" (sex/porn, binaries, etc ) in the many thousands of alt. newsgroups. A sledgehammer to crack a nut.... However, for me there is also the practical problem of replying to postings that may also have been crossposted to alt. groups. To comply fully with the "IMPORTANT" paragraph in Verizon's directive, I believe I will have to manually check the reply-header of all my replies to eliminate any reference to the alt. domain if present. Thanks Verizon for nothing. Verizon provides me a near fault-free service with no bandwidth caps or erratic upload bandwidth, so I have no real inclination to change ISP providers. So, I say farewell to a couple of my favorite alt. groups unless Verizon has a change of heart stimulated by pocket-book considerations (which I doubt) John Lewis |
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FYI: Verizon are jerks.... eliminating the .alt groups
"Folk" wrote in message On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:37:34 -0400, "Mr.E Solved!" wrote: Folk wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:45:34 GMT, (John Lewis) wrote: Verizon provides me a near fault-free service with no bandwidth caps or erratic upload bandwidth, so I have no real inclination to change ISP providers [...] So, I say farewell to a couple of my favorite alt. groups.. I never understood people who based their ISP decisions on the quality of their Usenet service. Most folks long ago wised up and went with a third-party email service so that changing ISP's or crappy ISP related mail service wasn't a big issue, so why don't they do the same with Usenet? If all you're interested in is text based groups, then there are scores of independent Usenet providers who can hook you up for next to nothing. Even premium Usenet provider who offer all the groups and no download limits (or at least reasonable download limits) can be had for around $10/month. By your logic ISPs should not even offer email, nor should anyone pick an ISP based on their email service.. since you can get email at any third party provider. Regardless of the breach of contract by cutting out an enumerated service, regardless of the same old witch-hunt war-cry of child-sex vagaries, this is an attack on the free exchange of information. Not everyone has the same priorities as you Folk, nor do they roll over as easily when they tell you you're in for a rogering. Tell us Folk, what services exactly should ISPs provide for the end user? Looks like a couple of people already provided the answer that you already knew (based on my post ) that I would provide. My main point though is that using third-party providers for email and Usenet insulates you from the eventual ISP change. Some people put up with crappy ISP service because "it's too much of a hassle to change my email address". To me, that's not a valid reason. Horsehockey. People have email addresses for business, pal. It IS a valid reason. Sometimes essential. Just because it does not fit YOUR model, doesn't mean it isn't valid. It just seems odd to me that the OP would bid farewell to a newsgroup just because his ISP decided to do something stupid. Right, so post some useful links to subscription Usenet services please and try to be USEful... end this pointless drivel. |
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