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Old April 6th 09, 12:53 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Keith Wilby
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If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto a new
one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?

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Old April 6th 09, 01:26 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Keith Wilby wrote:
If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto a new
one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?


Yes

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Old April 6th 09, 02:08 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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"Ed Light" wrote in message
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Keith Wilby wrote:
If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto a new
one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?


Yes


Thanks Ed. So it's defrag then image by the sound of it.

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Old April 6th 09, 08:18 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Keith Wilby wrote
Ed Light wrote
Keith Wilby wrote


If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto
a new one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?


Yes


Thanks Ed. So it's defrag then image by the sound of it.


Nope, no point in defragging before imaging with True Image.


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Old April 7th 09, 08:31 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Nope, no point in defragging before imaging with True Image.


True Image takes care of that?

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Old April 7th 09, 10:36 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Keith Wilby wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Keith Wilby wrote
Ed Light wrote
Keith Wilby wrote


If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto
a new one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?


Yes


Thanks Ed. So it's defrag then image by the sound of it.


Nope, no point in defragging before imaging with True Image.


True Image takes care of that?


Nope, it makes no difference to the speed of the image creation and its
pointless defragging modern drives except in the most unusual situations.


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Old April 11th 09, 12:48 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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"Keith Wilby" wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Nope, no point in defragging before imaging with True Image.


True Image takes care of that?


I don't know about True Image, but Casper (a dedicated cloning
utility) makes a clone of whatever is there - fragmentation and all.
It just makes a direct copy of each sector, oblivious to whatever file
formatting that the sector contains. To the cloner, it's all just "contents".
As a result, the clone has the same degree of fragmentation that the
"parent" partition had. After I make a clone, I boot it up and take
a look at a few folders and files, then I shut it down and boot up the
"parent" and use the "parent" to defragment the clone. (I seem to get
a "tighter" defrag if it's done by another OS.) Then I boot up the clone
again, and I take a look at a few folders and files and run some programs
to see if the clone still works. Then, still running the clone, I turn around
and defragment the "parent". Then I shut down the clone and test the
"parent" again. It may sound tedious, but it saves me the anguish of
having an OS scrambled by the defrag without having a backup.

*TimDaniels*


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Old April 7th 09, 02:19 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Keith Wilby wrote:

Thanks Ed. So it's defrag then image by the sound of it.


Yes, though you can always defrag after restoring.

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Old April 10th 09, 01:00 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Keith Wilby wrote:
"Ed Light" wrote in message
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Keith Wilby wrote:
If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto a
new one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?


Yes


Thanks Ed. So it's defrag then image by the sound of it.


Up until a few months ago, I would've suggested to you not to take an
image backup of your drive, but rather do a file copy operation instead
to defrag the new drive. However, a few months ago, I did exactly that
and I found that new drive was not defragged by the operation, and in
fact somehow became more fragmented! There was a bit of debate in this
newsgroup about it back then, and many theories were postulated.

Yousuf Khan
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Old April 6th 09, 02:13 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Keith Wilby wrote:
If I take a backup image of a fragmented drive and restore it onto a new
one, does the new one inherit the fragmentation from the image?


Depends on your imager. Typically yes.
And you should backup before defragging.

Arno
 




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