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ASUS no support for Linux?
Is this report true? Is this the offical ASUS policy? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/..._Story-01.html Does it really matter? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Alan |
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Post Replies Here Please wrote in message ...
Is this report true? Is this the offical ASUS policy? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/..._Story-01.html Does it really matter? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Alan -------------------- Milage may vary with usage.... Cry me a river, a Linux Mandrake user replied in another forum. Here is a post I've sent to Linux Mandrake ng... Since then, It pure Love If you've got a P4P800 or probably a P4C800, do yourself a favor and get Linux. IMHO, Mandrake is one of the best distro around. « {title: Another HAPPY Mandraker here .. powerpack 10 ASUS bliss !} And I thought a Win2k install was easy !.. LOL This morning, reading this group, I decided I could not wait any longer. I've got a nice P4 HT 3Ghz on a P4P800-E deluxe ASUS mobo and now Mandrake PowerPack 10 rocks. The installation was flawless and fast. And to add to the bliss I went on seeking some older files on my FAT32 partition; Like a single DVD VOB (video) file and it played instantly without a stutter. I'm running the SMP kernel and Linux sees two processors for my HT CPU. The radeon 9800Pro video card is running fine; And even if only on MESA its splendid and snappy. Never had so much fun in The KDE desktop and Mandrake integration is top notch... KUDOS guyz. I've been there since Mandrake Powerpack 7.. And later Mandrake 9. But I must say that version 10 is feeling eons better than 9.0 was. Of course this is all so much hardware dependent; but during my long vacation from Linux, I see it grew absolutely SOLID; and Micro$oft can never compete with such a diversified and FREE world package. I previously had a tiny 2Gig Fat16 C: partition; Followed by a 20Gigs Fat32; C: installed with Win2k. I was still testing this new motherboard, hence the initial choice for a legit win98 C partition of less than 2Gigs. I later realised it's not a problem anymore to boot from a CD or floppy and see FAT32 drives from later DOS. LINUX MANDRAKE did the job ! During the installation; I used the diskdrake tools to delete the original C: and D: drives; Then created a 5Gigs C: followed by a 2Gig Swap, and the rest for Mandrake. Advanced mode allowed me to format the partitions, and kept everything intact on the rest of the hard disk. That alone should make a happy custommer. Of course I intend to re-install win2k to support my previous work and tools. A dual-boot is still required for my work. But since Mandrake 10 is working so well; Even though I expect some hassle installing HW 3D gfx drivers followed by some 'newbie' questions here and there. Mandrake 10 already surpasses all my expectations. Aside from all the excellent online documentation, MDK 10 comes with two booklets (books). Starter guide, and Reference manual. I shall make good use of these, since I plan on using the Starter Guide chapter by chapter to study the incredible amount of features of this OS and latest tools. That's the sure part where a Linux distro beats hands down any Micro$oft OS. Of course I did not get to the hard part yet; and my hardware was rather simple to detect and enable; No SATA nor RAID setup here. But bliss nontheless. Honestly; The KDE improvements since MDK 9.0 is breath taking to me. Even if I've seen it all happening since version 7. I have some seriously interesting projects for Linux, and cross platforms. I look forward to get to the level where I can contribute to this distro and I feel it won't take long. I must spread the word to some friends in the ASUS forum. It's been a great experience; One of the most gratifying OS installation ever. Best regards to all; Especially others, newbies discovering Mandrake for the first time. P.S. If this sounds too enthusiastic, bare with me.. It's been a long time since I left the Linux scene for personnal matters. Can't thank mandrake community enough. Last word about 3D and Linux in general. I had recently been 'shopping' for a 3D modeler that would work under Win2k. I found 3DS MAX 6 priced at about 3500$, and since I read so many use it; I can only conclude so many are using pirate versions, and that's a shame considering the Linux alternative. Not only I found that 'Blender' can do so much more than 3DS MAX, but it's FREE and version 2.33a runs perfectly under an OpenGL capable Windows OS. and it's all under 3MB binaries. I can't wait to see it run under Mandrake, and a TRUE Linux Kernel... The only itch for me now, is making the 3D radeon 9800Pro hardware do its job, hopefully to support OpenGL 1.5 specs. Regards, Art (alias) |
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Post Replies Here Please wrote:
Is this report true? Is this the offical ASUS policy? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/..._Story-01.html Does it really matter? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Alan I found this very interesting, but not cause for alarm. If you really wanted to run Linux on that board, you could purchase a $9 network card that would run perfectly well on Linux and the Asus board in question. You will also note in the report that he found a workaround. There is a huge community of Linux users on Linux forums that can help with situations like this. The issue of the onboard sound was solved the same way as the network interface problem. They substituted a sound card for the non-functional onboard device. Depends upon what you want to do with the system and what the problem is. I run Linux and WinXP on different boards including my Asus A7N8X-DLX and I have no problems. My favorite Linux distro is Fedora. I have also used Knoppix. |
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Sounds to me like a bit of puffed up confrontation.
Asus makes and sells motherboards. I don't think they care what OS the user has and would prefer to see the widest degree of compatability. At the same time they can't afford to pander to unqualified demands from a "reporter" from an "online magazine" (use you own terms there please - the terms are unimportant, the message is) to provide support for one of many versions of an OS. Huh? Well, how many such web sites and reporter type people would they have to interface to? Any Joe Bloe that decides to make a pro Linux web site and stir? Proper representation and communication is important. If the linux community wants best support from EG motherboard manufacturers, then surely they should get organised, funded, research, write proposals, meet with and sell the notion that supporting Linux is the way to go. Now, I am sure this is happening to varying degrees - Linux is not the only consumer of such techinology there are many many other freeware / GPL / commercial software authors out there that would like access to design information and input to the process. There are forums for interfacing at the design phase... I don't think ringing the Help Desk is the way to get a response. Back to the issue. Was the fault actually with Asus? Or was it the Bios? Or was it the onboard NIC chip manufacturer - 3com? nvidia? marvell? Asus just (major understatement) puts the chips on the boards, where is the real problem? Surely if the claim is accurate, then the Vital information is Vital to all. It would be interesting to know how many Linux PC's there are at Asus, 3com, marvell, award etc. and how much inherent support there already is within these companies. - Tim "Post Replies Here Please" wrote in message ... Is this report true? Is this the offical ASUS policy? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/..._Story-01.html Does it really matter? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Alan |
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"stanmc" == stanmc writes:
stanmc I found this very interesting, but not cause for alarm. If stanmc you really wanted to run Linux on that board, you could stanmc purchase a $9 network card that would run perfectly well on stanmc Linux and the Asus board in question. You will also note in stanmc the report that he found a workaround. There is a huge stanmc community of Linux users on Linux forums that can help with stanmc situations like this. The issue of the onboard sound was stanmc solved the same way as the network interface problem. They stanmc substituted a sound card for the non-functional onboard stanmc device. I think these folks were crazy. Someone else pointed me this link, and a solution. To be frank even for windows I use google before calling anyone. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/lin...04.3/0090.html That would have fixed there problem, and they could have continued. There is also a fix on the internet for the soundcard. Sounds like these folks need to learn how to use a search engine. Whatever. |
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I think these folks were crazy. Someone else pointed me this link, and
a solution. To be frank even for windows I use google before calling anyone. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/lin...04.3/0090.html That would have fixed there problem, and they could have continued. There is also a fix on the internet for the soundcard. Sounds like these folks need to learn how to use a search engine. This is not the point: VPD on that asus board is surely buggy and Asus HAVE TO FIX IT, becouse customer money is good money, not buggy money :-((( |
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Last word about 3D and Linux in general. I had recently been 'shopping' for a 3D modeler that would work under Win2k. I found 3DS MAX 6 priced at about 3500$, and since I read so many use it; I can only conclude so many are using pirate versions, and that's a shame considering the Linux alternative. Not only I found that 'Blender' can do so much more than 3DS MAX, but it's FREE and version 2.33a runs perfectly under an OpenGL capable Windows OS. and it's all under 3MB binaries. I can't wait to see it run under Mandrake, and a TRUE Linux Kernel... The only itch for me now, is making the 3D radeon 9800Pro hardware do its job, hopefully to support OpenGL 1.5 specs. Regards, Art (alias) I always go with Nvidia video cards for linux. Better support for linux, even if the driver is not open source. |
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Post Replies Here Please wrote:
"stanmc" == stanmc writes: ---snip--- stanmc The issue of the onboard sound was stanmc solved the same way as the network interface problem. They stanmc substituted a sound card for the non-functional onboard stanmc device. I think these folks were crazy. Someone else pointed me this link, and a solution. To be frank even for windows I use google before calling anyone. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/lin...04.3/0090.html That would have fixed there problem, and they could have continued. There is also a fix on the internet for the soundcard. Sounds like these folks need to learn how to use a search engine. Whatever. Until Linux becomes a lot larger community, things like this will probably continue. Asus will solve this if they find it a necessity. The Linux community has been working around things like this from the beginning. It is not the way it SHOULD be, but it is the way it probably will be until the economic forces alter the way board manufacturers look at Linux. |
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"stanmc" == stanmc writes:
stanmc Post Replies Here Please wrote: "stanmc" == stanmc writes: stanmc ---snip--- stanmc The issue of the onboard sound was solved the same way as the stanmc network interface problem. They substituted a sound card for stanmc the non-functional onboard device. I think these folks were crazy. Someone else pointed me this link, and a solution. To be frank even for windows I use google before calling anyone. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/lin...04.3/0090.html That would have fixed there problem, and they could have continued. There is also a fix on the internet for the soundcard. Sounds like these folks need to learn how to use a search engine. Whatever. stanmc Until Linux becomes a lot larger community, things like this stanmc will probably continue. Asus will solve this if they find it stanmc a necessity. The Linux community has been working around stanmc things like this from the beginning. It is not the way it stanmc SHOULD be, but it is the way it probably will be until the stanmc economic forces alter the way board manufacturers look at stanmc Linux. Hold on you missed the article. ASUS refused to address the problem weather it was windows or linux. Anyway there will always be buggy motherboard and chipsets, and that is why you have software to work around them. Later, Alan |
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Post Replies Here Please wrote:
Is this report true? Is this the offical ASUS policy? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/..._Story-01.html Does it really matter? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Alan I dont know if the report is true as I have only just become an Asus m/b user and have no need of technical support from Asus. However I can give you a report on the Asus P4P800-E deluxe and linux. For a start the Asus website provides linux drivers for the Marvell onboard LAN and the ALC850 chipset ( which will probably not be needed on a modern linux distro anyway). My hardware includes a Sparkle Geforce 5700 Ultra graphics card and P4 2.8G with 512M dual DDR400 RAM. Im using a multiboot system, so far have only setup Mandrake and Suse linux. Mandrake 9.2 and Suse 8.2 linux versions install straight from the box, both recognising the sound hardware. Mandrake with kernel 2.4.22 requires a few keystrokes to set up the network, all that is required is to load the kernel module sk98lin and then provide your LAN details in the normal way. With SuSe having a 2.4.20 kernel, the module sk98lin is not included so you need to either patch the kernel to 2.4.22 or create a new one. I built a new 2.4.26 kernel to use with suse. Under suse, the yast tool is used to configure the network, steering eth0 to use the sk98lin module, its as easy as that. 3D acceleration for the graphics card. Due to licensing this has to be downloaded separately from nvidia.com but once set up I get around 7000fps using glxgears . SATA - my new hard drive is Ultra DMA133 so im not using the SATA ports on the motherboard, but again performance with a Maxtor 160G drive is impressive. hdparm reports 57Mbps throughput (sustained) under windows using hdtach 2.61 I get 67M in burst mode and 57M sustained, so theres hardly any difference. For the moment SATA support maybe a little weak but the rest of the m/b hardware lan, sound works fine under linux. I have yet to set up lm sensors so cannot report on hardware monitoring. HTH |
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