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I think I was unclear. I just mean that the connector's tend to be
beefier. It usually isn't possible for a user to jiggle it when inserting or removing. These connectors *should* last longer. PS/2 is not designed for hot plug - for frequent plug/unplug. USB is designed for this. Given the atrocious details on driver writing for hardware attached to PS/2 port - USB is surely better. A mainstream technology, designed by loud names like MS and Intel - vs. the keyboard-and-mouse-only port of 15 years old, not designed for hot plug with terrifying perversions in driver development for devices other then keyboard and mouse... well, I will choose the loud name unless the real facts telling that the loud name is worse. For now, I have no facts on USB unreliability (lame XP drivers for 480Mbps devices aside, fixed in SP1 IIRC). is also no possibility of trying to insert it the wrong way (like a USB port on the rear of a laptop) You definitely must drink too much to insert the USB connector in a wrong way. :-) -- Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP StorageCraft Corporation http://www.storagecraft.com |
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Eric Lee Green wrote: In article , Peter da Silva ruminated: In article , Maxim S. Shatskih wrote: Without USB I need: PS/2 hole for mouse. Serial port for printer, handheld, and other serial devices. Cardbus slot for Ethernet/Modem or SCSI or firewire. PCMCIA-CF adapter. and so on. With USB, all you need is a hub, and only if you have more then 2 devices to attach to the laptop. With USB I need: USB hole for mouse. USB mouse. Well, duh, that's why I need a USB hole for it. Serial port for printer and other serial devices. USB printer. USB router configuation? Cardbus slot for Ethernet/Modem or SCSI or firewire. Ethernet, modem, firewire are built in. Well, there you go, three extra ports. Where's the savings? PCMCIA-CF adapter. ??? My handheld and camera use CF cards and it's MUCH faster to copy files this way. And if I need to read DVDs or get online: DVD-ROM built in. And that's another "port". New laptop with cardbus slot for ethernet/SCSI/firewire because USB is still too frigging slow. In reality, the only cardbus card that I use is an old 802.11b card that I use for wireless networking. My printers all connect via USB. I must admit that I do miss the serial port on my HP laptop, I work with a lot of equipment that wants to be set up via a serial port. Plus it's getting increasingly hard to find a 3-button USB mouse. -- I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofs of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate. All these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain. `-_-' Time for your nap. | Peter da Silva | Har du kramat din varg, idag? 'U` |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:36:39 +0400, "Maxim S. Shatskih"
wrote: I think I was unclear. I just mean that the connector's tend to be beefier. It usually isn't possible for a user to jiggle it when inserting or removing. These connectors *should* last longer. PS/2 is not designed for hot plug - for frequent plug/unplug. USB is designed for this. I said nothing about hot-plugging PS2. Plugging/unplugging something "frequently" does not necessarily imply "hot" plugging. Surely you understand the difference between the concerns and needs (esp. those re durability) of a commuter who needs to connect and disconnect a laptop to peripherals multiple times a day at work and when returning home as opposed to someone who leaves their keyboard, mouse, and web cam plugged into their computer for weeks or months at a time but has the 'option' of hot plug/unplugging them. Given the atrocious details on driver writing for hardware attached to PS/2 port - USB is surely better. A mainstream technology, designed by loud names like MS and Intel - vs. the keyboard-and-mouse-only port of 15 years old, not designed for hot plug with terrifying perversions in driver development for devices other then keyboard and mouse... well, I will choose the loud name unless the real facts telling that the loud name is worse. For now, I have no facts on USB unreliability (lame XP drivers for 480Mbps devices aside, fixed in SP1 IIRC). You are speaking to yourself here. The 'beauty' of PS2 design is not at issue. Several of us have mentioned connections between laptops & Peripherals that precede USB or exist in addition to USB. Of course USB is designed and expected to do more than PS2 and came about long after PS2 and that is reflected in multiple aspects of USB design - so this is really an "apples & oranges" comparison. Having "no facts on USB reliability" does not address Jeff Sutter's concerns & experiences with these devices. Nor does it help in the design of a small, inexpensive NAS appliance. Some of us disagree with your comment "Without USB, you have nearly no ways of attaching hardware to laptop." That is all. Inventing a debate about PS2 won't retract your comment. is also no possibility of trying to insert it the wrong way (like a USB port on the rear of a laptop) You definitely must drink too much to insert the USB connector in a wrong way. :-) Very amusing. I assume you can see things that aren't in your field of view? |
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"Maxim S. Shatskih" wrote in message ...
I think I was unclear. I just mean that the connector's tend to be beefier. It usually isn't possible for a user to jiggle it when inserting or removing. These connectors *should* last longer. PS/2 is not designed for hot plug - for frequent plug/unplug. USB is designed for this. Given the atrocious details on driver writing for hardware attached to PS/2 port - USB is surely better. A mainstream technology, designed by loud names like MS and Intel - vs. the keyboard-and-mouse-only port of 15 years old, not designed for hot plug with terrifying perversions in driver development for devices other then keyboard and mouse... well, I will choose the loud name unless the real facts telling that the loud name is worse. are you telling me that a dock or port replicator which supports parallel, serial, PS2, Video, Fast or Gigabit Ethernet, Cardbus, USB and MiniPCI connect all these devices through the notebook PS2 connection? That can't be right. scratching my head |
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Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
is also no possibility of trying to insert it the wrong way (like a USB port on the rear of a laptop) You definitely must drink too much to insert the USB connector in a wrong way. :-) It is not possible.. but the plug design is rather awful for blind insertion, with the blunt front, not being able to rotate while trying to insert, and the 180 degree turn you might need to make. If it was not so blunt at least one would be reduced to two tries: one upside down and one right side up. Now it comes down to right side up but slightly off center... hmm... must be wrong way round... turn around... no difference in feel... still doesn't fit... turn around again... Better than a db9, yes. But not as good as the average power inlet. I wonder if it is possible to fix it while remaining compatible. I'd think so. Thomas |
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:44:58 +0200, Zak wrote:
[ Snip ] Better than a db9, yes. But not as good as the average power inlet. I wonder if it is possible to fix it while remaining compatible. I'd think so. You could solve the issue with a cosmetic mod to the plastic casing: put a bump on the top and a concave "pit" on the bottom. Two stacked connectors would still occupy the same space (the bump fitting into the pit), although it might become hard to unplug one of a pair. Or you could avoid that issue by placing an exaggerated ridge on the top of the short edge (say, with a 1mm cross section, or a 1x2). Thomas Malc. |
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