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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver & firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally. I will never buy another Adaptec product. I run the Adaptec SCSI card (160MB/s, the one with Windows driver "adpu160m") for 8 years or so. No issues. The problem with Adaptec is not that all their products are bad. The problem is that you cannot tell beforehand, as some are really, really bad, while others are acceptable. All are expensive though, which makes the bad ones completely unacceptable. Arno |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
"Arno **** UP" wrote in message ...
The problem with Adaptec is not that all their products are bad. The problem is that you cannot tell beforehand, as some are really, really bad, while others are acceptable. All are expensive though, which makes the bad ones completely unacceptable. No, the problem is idiots like you who don't have a ****ing clue. Only their RAID lineup has problems. SCSI-3 adapters are dirt cheap on ebay. |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Franc Zabkar wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader put finger to keyboard and composed: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote: I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. Expensive trash. Arno never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system. what firmware versions are you running? As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years ago. This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04 Thanks. Seems some people are shamelessly lying just to give the impression some others are wrong. Disgusting. Arno So, has anybody come up with a single problem with the 2420sa yet, or do we have more stories about how your 1740 sucked 30 years ago, then 15 then you forgot because you never even had one. 2402sa = excellent sata RAID card. |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
Bob Willard wrote:
With RAID-1 (mirroring) you still should do regular backups. RAID-1 only protects against failure of a HD, and supplies no protection against failures of any other piece of hardware, or glitches due to software or environment or fumble-fingers. IMHO, since the HD is one of the most reliable pieces of a PC, RAID-1 has very little value for a home. Hmm, if I look at all the hardware failures I've in the last 15 or so years, hard disks are probably the least reliable part of my desktops. I can't recall a CPU, memory, graphics card or motherboard failure in that time, maybe I'm just lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it.) -- Nik Simpson |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Franc Zabkar wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader put finger to keyboard and composed: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote: I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. Expensive trash. Arno never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system. what firmware versions are you running? As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years ago. This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04 Thanks. Seems some people are shamelessly lying just to give the impression some others are wrong. Disgusting. Arno So, has anybody come up with a single problem with the 2420sa yet, or do we have more stories about how your 1740 sucked 30 years ago, then 15 then you forgot because you never even had one. I never had a 1740 and never claimed I did. You are confused. 2402sa = excellent sata RAID card. Look to the source of this information to assess credibility. Arno |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
I run the Adaptec SCSI card (160MB/s, the one with Windows driver
"adpu160m") for 8 years or so. No issues. The problem with Adaptec is not that all their products are bad. Thanks. For me, this really means - bad products. All are expensive though Yes. LSI/Tekram controller (Windows driver "sym_u3") is much cheaper and also works OK. -- Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP StorageCraft Corporation http://www.storagecraft.com |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
nik Simpson wrote
Bob Willard wrote With RAID-1 (mirroring) you still should do regular backups. RAID-1 only protects against failure of a HD, and supplies no protection against failures of any other piece of hardware, or glitches due to software or environment or fumble-fingers. IMHO, since the HD is one of the most reliable pieces of a PC, RAID-1 has very little value for a home. Hmm, if I look at all the hardware failures I've in the last 15 or so years, hard disks are probably the least reliable part of my desktops. I can't recall a CPU, memory, graphics card or motherboard failure in that time, maybe I'm just lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it.) Sure, but plenty get that with hard drives too. |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
On 10 Apr 2008 13:48:40 GMT, Arno Wagner put finger
to keyboard and composed: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Franc Zabkar wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader put finger to keyboard and composed: In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote: As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years ago. This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04 Thanks. Seems some people are shamelessly lying just to give the impression some others are wrong. Disgusting. Arno That's happened to me as well. I know how you feel, especially when you catch them out. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:12:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
put finger to keyboard and composed: In comp.arch.storage Franc Zabkar wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader put finger to keyboard and composed: This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html a 2420sa isn't a 2410sa, kind of like how 3 isn't equal to 7 I was addressing your misinformation, not your model preference, kind of like how 2008 - 2004 = 4. Maybe the 2420SA is a good card, I wouldn't know, but I do know that the 2410SA is at least 4 years old. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
I run the Adaptec SCSI card (160MB/s, the one with Windows driver "adpu160m") for 8 years or so. No issues. The problem with Adaptec is not that all their products are bad. Thanks. For me, this really means - bad products. Indeed. My take also. All are expensive though Yes. LSI/Tekram controller (Windows driver "sym_u3") is much cheaper and also works OK. I have heard good things about 3ware under Linux, but was too cheap to get one so far. We also have some 8-way Arceas at work (als under Linux) that are really fast and reliable. Only downside is that you need to patch the driver into the kernel manually. Arno |
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