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Need motherboard recommendation
Hello Everyone,
I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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If you are running XP you need SP1 to use the full size of a hard drive over
137 gig. "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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Thanks for the suggestion. However, I tried it with both XP SP1 and W2K SP4. Unless I'm missing something there must be more to it than that. The funny thing is that Intel says it will work if I use their Accelerator application for Windows. However, they also say that the application is only compatible with their older chipsets. Now there's a switch, their new chipsets can't support big drives but their older ones could. Go figure! "RonK" wrote in message ... If you are running XP you need SP1 to use the full size of a hard drive over 137 gig. "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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Ray Mitchell wrote:
Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. You must be missing something. How do you know it doesn't support these larger drives? Does it display the size in the BIOS? What size dos it display? Ben -- A7N8X FAQ: www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups. I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String... |
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In article . net, "Ray
Mitchell" wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. However, I tried it with both XP SP1 and W2K SP4. Unless I'm missing something there must be more to it than that. The funny thing is that Intel says it will work if I use their Accelerator application for Windows. However, they also say that the application is only compatible with their older chipsets. Now there's a switch, their new chipsets can't support big drives but their older ones could. Go figure! A point you might be missing, is that, for a given chipset, the drivers are provided by the manufacturer of the chipset. So, whether your motherboard is made by Asus, Gigabyte, or Abit, they will all be shipping the same Intel chipset installer to you. Swapping motherboards won't fix anything, if they all have an 865PE/ICH5R on them. Granted, different motherboards will have different peripherals on them. So, if one board had a Via RAID, and another had a Promise RAID chip, then sure, swapping boards would get you a different RAID chip with a different set of issues. The Via drivers will be written by Via, and the Promise drivers by Promise, so again, the manufacturer of the board doesn't matter, in terms of driver quality. As for IAA, there are two entirely different versions. Intel would have been smart to come up with another marketing name, so it is their loss. IAA, as far as I know, was written back when bus mastering was introduced. The Microsoft OS at the time, knew nothing about the DMA transfer of disk data, and the inherently higher performance it offers. To support the feature until the OS situation improved, Intel wrote a driver, to be used to get bus mastering to work. That became the Intel Application Accelerator, a driver for a vanilla IDE interface that allowed bus mastering to work. Much time has passed since it was introduced. Now, we have Microsoft OSes that have bus master support built in, meaning the default driver is every bit as good as IAA from Intel. So, on the one hand, Intel can afford to stop supporting IAA, as the market for it is effective zero. The second thing that happened, is Intel has added RAID to the Southbridge. No Microsoft OS knows about such a beast (in hardware), so Intel wrote IAAR for the ICH5R Southbridge and WinXP OS. If not doing RAID, the ports in question can still be used for stand alone disk drives, so all Microsoft OSes can get some use from those ports. (That is where the "Enhanced" and "Compatible" settings for the ports come into play, in the BIOS. Your choice between the two settings, is determined by which OS you plan on using.) In terms of the Intel drivers, whether IAA/IAAR, you should be using the latest one you can find, as earlier versions didn't properly support 48bit addressing. In this case, I don't see a need for either driver, as you are going to be using this disk as a vanilla drive. In terms of support, here is the official position of Asus: http://www.asus.it/support/english/t...hdd/index.aspx "Model manufactured after 1st January, 2003 will all support 48bit HDD (137 GB HDD)." Manufacturers that use the same chips as Asus, will end up with the same level of compatibility (they all rely on the same BIOS providers, like Award or AMI). I wish I could offer you a simple recipe, guaranteed to get the job done - perhaps there are better news groups for that than this one. I would recommend a WinXP install disk that already has SP1 built into it, as if you are trying to install the OS on a large disk, that would be the way to go. If the big disk is being used as a data only disk, then you could install SP1 on the boot disk first, then add the big disk and go from there. If you don't have a WinXP+SP1 install disk, you can make your own with an original WinXP disk and a process called "slipstreaming". These are some links I was given when the topic came up before (thanks, Tim). http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/Art...619/38619.html (slipstream) http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8892 (adding drivers?) http://groups.google.com/groups?q=XP...am+SP1+Drivers Microsoft's answer is here, now more easy to understand after it was rewritten: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;303013 This thread seems to suggest you can install the OS on the big disk, if the OS is kept below 137GB. Maybe slipstreaming SP1 or using a WinXP+SP1 install disk removes that limit. http://groups.google.com/groups?thre...0hot mail.com Before putting live data on the disk, try copying large test files until you get past the 137GB mark. If 48bit support isn't working properly, the file system will be corrupted instantly when passing that mark. That is due to the modulo rollover of the disk address, and the resultant writing near the beginning of the disk, when your request meant to write at a 137+ GB location. My contribution in this post, is to not give up on the motherboard you've got - the problems won't get easier by changing motherboards. If you want to "dodge the bullet", swap the drive for some smaller ones :-) Paul "RonK" wrote in message ... If you are running XP you need SP1 to use the full size of a hard drive over 137 gig. "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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Ray,
Paul and Ron are both right on this. You have several options of which I will mention only 2. 1st. Create your C drive with a size of less than the limit EG 32 GB and create whatever partitions you want to utilize the remaining space. My preference is to segregate System from Data so with XP C gets 16 to 32 GB, and other partitions are created for whatever purposes are appropriate. 2nd. If you have to have C drive cover the entire disc, then create a 32 GB partition to install XP on, then as soon as you have all motherboard and essential drivers installed, install XP SP1a - this will give native XP support for partitions beyond the original XP limit. Then take a look at the DISKPART command in the Help on the Start menu. With this you can extend a partition into contiguous free space - which will exist since you will have only C drive in a partition occupying the first 32GB on the disc. HTH - Tim "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Thanks for the suggestion. However, I tried it with both XP SP1 and W2K SP4. Unless I'm missing something there must be more to it than that. The funny thing is that Intel says it will work if I use their Accelerator application for Windows. However, they also say that the application is only compatible with their older chipsets. Now there's a switch, their new chipsets can't support big drives but their older ones could. Go figure! "RonK" wrote in message ... If you are running XP you need SP1 to use the full size of a hard drive over 137 gig. "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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The mobo supports large disks, you either havent enabled big lba support
correctly, or partitioned the space correctly after enabling the reg fix. "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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My ABIT IS7-E is based on 865 chip and it does support everything including
2x250mb seagates and 2x150 sata's Try fdisk again and make sure u turn LBA on... "Ray Mitchell" wrote in message ink.net... Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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It's inconceivable that you got that part about the 137 gig limit right.
Windows XP "out of the box" does not support drives over 137 gigs, not even with SP1 installed. But you can enable such support by installing SP1 AND by making a registry entry (all of this is detailed on the MS web site). For such support to work, there has to be some support in the BIOS also. It's just inconceivable to me that any current production Intel motherboard would not have this, however. Regardless, the limit is specific to IDE devices and does not apply to Serial ATA drives or SCSI drives (in this regard, note that IDE drives connected to a PCI disk controller card are seen and treated as SCSI drives by the BIOS and operating system). Ray Mitchell wrote: Hello Everyone, I just purchased an Intel D865PERLL motherboard because I had heard they made the most reliable and compatible boards on the market (but definitely not the fastest!). However, to my surprise I have found that they do not support drives over 137GB, even on the SATA-150 channels (unless I'm missing something). So, I will return it. I would like some recommendations from people based upon their experiences if you don't mind. I'm not a gamer and the most important consideration is stability and compatibility rather than blinding speed and tweakability. I already have an Intel P4 2.8C processor, 2ea. 512MB matched DDR-400s, and a WD 200GB SATA-150 HD. The following are my requirements, which I believe are fairly standard: 1. Intel chipset - 865 or later 2. 800MHz FSB 3. Dual channel DDR-400 4. BIOS support for 200MB/250MB SATA and ATA drives 5. 5ea PCI slots 6. 1ea 4X-8X AGP slot 7. On board LAN and USB Of course, I would welcome additional on board peripherals such as firewire (but on board video is not a plus for me since I plan to use a separate 2-head nVidia AGP card and nVidia PCI video card for 3-monitor support). Thanks for your help, Ray Mitchell |
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