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Dye ink
You should use what ever the mfg of the printer recommends.
Hans Jørgen wrote: Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? I'm in all sorts of trouble. At the outset I wanted to avoid the many cleaning cycles when I refilled my cartridges so I bought a continues ink system and at the same time I changed to pigment ink to avoid fading pictures. I have had to demount the continues system and return to refilling cartridges but I have lost the yellow color. I now use a Cannon Pixma ip5300. I destroyed my Epson Stylus Photo 950 in the process and got upset with the prises and availability of print heads for Epson. I have also bought a One Eye for making icc profiles to facilitate the different inks on different types of paper. |
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babaloo wrote: It appears that you may have damaged the printhead on your Canon in your quest to save money on ink. Thats cool. If you want quality to the point where you are willing to buy a print profiler why would you skimp on ink? Right on It is also not clear why you are so concerned about fading prints. Do you think yours are going to be hanging in the Louvre for the next 200 years? Pantone used to sell pigment inks for use in the Epson 1280: the Pantone cartridges cost more than the Epsons and voided the warranty on the printer. Pantone is the only non OEM ink that is any good. Your quest is making you penny wise and dollar foolish? |
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Barry Watzman wrote: You probably ruined the printer. While there are good 3rd party inks, there are no good "generic inks" Only Pantone is good. . The characteristics of printers and their ink systems are unbelievably complex, and you need an ink that pretty much exactly matches the original specs (and there is a lot more to this than just dye vs. pigment). Use of any other ink will normally ruin the print system. In a printer where the printhead is part of the cartridge, fine, you just throw it away and start over with a new cartridge. But in a printer with permanent printheads, use of the wrong ink usually destroys the printer. OEM is the way to go. Hans Jørgen wrote: Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? I'm in all sorts of trouble. At the outset I wanted to avoid the many cleaning cycles when I refilled my cartridges so I bought a continues ink system and at the same time I changed to pigment ink to avoid fading pictures. I have had to demount the continues system and return to refilling cartridges but I have lost the yellow color. I now use a Cannon Pixma ip5300. I destroyed my Epson Stylus Photo 950 in the process and got upset with the prises and availability of print heads for Epson. I have also bought a One Eye for making icc profiles to facilitate the different inks on different types of paper. |
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Barry Watzman wrote: That is simply not true. Some inkjet printers have the printhead in the consumable, others have permanent printheads, the consumable is just an "ink tank" and there are tubes from the tank to the permanent printhead. A manufacturer has every right to rightfully void the warranty of a printer with permanent printheads that are genuinely destroyed by a 3rd party ink, and they do it. On the other hand, the only permanent damage that a consumable with a built-in printhead can do is to leak inside the printer and create a mess, and this doesn't happen often. Frank wrote: No after market ink will ever void any warranty on any printer in the US. Frank They do it all of the time. They should not have to pay for people who wilfully destroy their printer. |
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measekite wrote:
They do it all of the time. Cite one...just one...documented case or else your are a liar. Well...? Frank |
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measekite wrote:
babaloo wrote: It appears that you may have damaged the printhead on your Canon in your quest to save money on ink. Thats cool. Didn't happen. If you want quality to the point where you are willing to buy a print profiler why would you skimp on ink? Right on Doesn't matter. It is also not clear why you are so concerned about fading prints. Do you think yours are going to be hanging in the Louvre for the next 200 years? Pantone used to sell pigment inks for use in the Epson 1280: the Pantone cartridges cost more than the Epsons and voided the warranty on the printer. Pantone is the only non OEM ink that is any good. Your quest is making you penny wise and dollar foolish? Keep looking. |
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measekite wrote:
Barry Watzman wrote: You probably ruined the printer. While there are good 3rd party inks, there are no good "generic inks" Only Pantone is good. There are dozens of excellent after market inks. . The characteristics of printers and their ink systems are unbelievably complex, and you need an ink that pretty much exactly matches the original specs (and there is a lot more to this than just dye vs. pigment). Use of any other ink will normally ruin the print system. In a printer where the printhead is part of the cartridge, fine, you just throw it away and start over with a new cartridge. But in a printer with permanent printheads, use of the wrong ink usually destroys the printer. OEM is the way to go. Excellent after market inks & carts are always available. Hans Jørgen wrote: Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? I'm in all sorts of trouble. At the outset I wanted to avoid the many cleaning cycles when I refilled my cartridges so I bought a continues ink system and at the same time I changed to pigment ink to avoid fading pictures. I have had to demount the continues system and return to refilling cartridges but I have lost the yellow color. I now use a Cannon Pixma ip5300. I destroyed my Epson Stylus Photo 950 in the process and got upset with the prises and availability of print heads for Epson. I have also bought a One Eye for making icc profiles to facilitate the different inks on different types of paper. |
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measekite wrote:
You should use what ever the mfg of the printer recommends. User any good quality after market ink. oem is a rip off! Hans Jørgen wrote: Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? I'm in all sorts of trouble. At the outset I wanted to avoid the many cleaning cycles when I refilled my cartridges so I bought a continues ink system and at the same time I changed to pigment ink to avoid fading pictures. I have had to demount the continues system and return to refilling cartridges but I have lost the yellow color. I now use a Cannon Pixma ip5300. I destroyed my Epson Stylus Photo 950 in the process and got upset with the prises and availability of print heads for Epson. I have also bought a One Eye for making icc profiles to facilitate the different inks on different types of paper. |
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Well, Epson and some HP printers have permanent printheads. They can
only be replaced at a service depot (and shipping round-trip costs as much as the entire printer). And there are fairly long tubes connecting stationary ink tanks (the only thing the user replaces) to the moving printhead. Epson has been this way mostly forever (in some printers, the tank is mounted on the printhead and moves with it, but the printhead is still permanent). The fact is, a non-OEM ink legitimately can destroy a printhead, it happens, and the manufacturer has every right to void the warranty. Not because the ink was non-OEM per se, but because it's formulation, different from the OEMs in significant ways, truly did destroy the printhead. There are no laws that prevent a manufacturer from voiding a warranty if you use a consumable that is both out of spec AND not supplied by the OEM. Just try putting Crisco cooking oil in your car and getting GM to replace the engine under warranty when it burns up. It's the exact same thing. The issue isn't just that you used after-market inks, per se, it's that you used inks that were grossly out-of-spec for the printer and that truly did, as a consequence, destroy it. You seem to be under the impression that all HP printers ... even low-end ones ... have the printhead on the ink cartridge. That is no longer true for all of their printers, and in fact I don't think it's even any longer predominantly true. The primary ink system right now in current production HP consumer printers is the "02" cartridge set, and those are stationary tanks with tubes leading to the permanent printheads. Burt wrote: "Barry Watzman" wrote in message ... That is simply not true. Some inkjet printers have the printhead in the consumable, others have permanent printheads, the consumable is just an "ink tank" and there are tubes from the tank to the permanent printhead. A manufacturer has every right to rightfully void the warranty of a printer with permanent printheads that are genuinely destroyed by a 3rd party ink, and they do it. On the other hand, the only permanent damage that a consumable with a built-in printhead can do is to leak inside the printer and create a mess, and this doesn't happen often. Barry - Except for a new model with the printhead in the cartridge (is this what you reference as the consumable?), Canon printheads are user removable and replaceable (although sometimes at about the cost of a replacement printer). The "ink tanks" sit directly on the printhead and feed into it. No tubes. I have read that in the US there are laws that prevent a printer company from voiding a warranty because you used aftermarket inks. Has to do with a company not forcing you to use their consumables as a condition of honoring a warranty. Using the wrong inks could conceivably ruin a permanant printhead. I would expect that using pigment-based inks in an Epson (printhead not replaceable by the consumer) that is designed for dye-based inks might permanantly clog the nozzles and render the printer not economically repairable. Refilling carts for a Canon dye-based printer with pigment-based inks would probably cost you an easily replaced printhead. HP printers with the printhead on the ink cartridge would not be harmed by the use of inks which could damage the printhead. You would just replace the ink cartridge which comes with a new printhead. |
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