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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450printer?
Hello,
I started using the memory card reader in my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer (used it since Thanksgiving weekend of 2004) recently. I noticed copying files from the memory card (the top right slot) in the printer to my computer is slow. I have no problems with USB Flash sticks/drives and external HDDs even with the same ports and with the same USB extension cable. Copying about 40 MB of JPEG files (less than a MB each) took almost a minute which is slow (feels like USB1 speed). Is this normal or did I misconfigure somewhere? I have the latest HP software and driver according to its updater in Windows XP Pro. SP2 (all updates). I tried both front and rear USB ports (not every one of them). My computer specifications can be found he http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt (primary one). Thank you in advance. -- "Why eat ants when an uncle will do?" --Tymoutta Aardvarka of Sarcastica /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is/was listening to a song on his home computer: Mysterio - There Is A Star (Club Mix) |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer?
Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say
you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. If you want to verify you have USB2 properly installed and running, open device manager and expand the USB tree at the bottom. You should see an entry for "USB Enhanced Host Controller". That's USB2. You may also see an entry for "USB2 Root Hub" "Ant" wrote in message ... Hello, I started using the memory card reader in my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer (used it since Thanksgiving weekend of 2004) recently. I noticed copying files from the memory card (the top right slot) in the printer to my computer is slow. I have no problems with USB Flash sticks/drives and external HDDs even with the same ports and with the same USB extension cable. Copying about 40 MB of JPEG files (less than a MB each) took almost a minute which is slow (feels like USB1 speed). Is this normal or did I misconfigure somewhere? I have the latest HP software and driver according to its updater in Windows XP Pro. SP2 (all updates). I tried both front and rear USB ports (not every one of them). My computer specifications can be found he http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt (primary one). Thank you in advance. -- "Why eat ants when an uncle will do?" --Tymoutta Aardvarka of Sarcastica /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is/was listening to a song on his home computer: Mysterio - There Is A Star (Club Mix) |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart8450 printer?
On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote:
Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? If you want to verify you have USB2 properly installed and running, open device manager and expand the USB tree at the bottom. You should see an entry for "USB Enhanced Host Controller". That's USB2. You may also see an entry for "USB2 Root Hub" I saw these in XP's Device Manager for USB Controllers: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller USB Root Hub USB Root Hub Note: Printer is off and its power cable unplugged (don't like it auto feature to power on when I send print requests). "Ant" wrote in message ... Hello, I started using the memory card reader in my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer (used it since Thanksgiving weekend of 2004) recently. I noticed copying files from the memory card (the top right slot) in the printer to my computer is slow. I have no problems with USB Flash sticks/drives and external HDDs even with the same ports and with the same USB extension cable. Copying about 40 MB of JPEG files (less than a MB each) took almost a minute which is slow (feels like USB1 speed). Is this normal or did I misconfigure somewhere? I have the latest HP software and driver according to its updater in Windows XP Pro. SP2 (all updates). I tried both front and rear USB ports (not every one of them). My computer specifications can be found he http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt (primary one). -- "As when death smites the swollen brooding thing that inhabits their crawling hill and holds them all in sway, ants will wander witless and purposeless and then feebly die, so the creatures of Sauron, orc or troll or beast spell-enslaved, ran hither and thither mindless; and some slew themselves, or cast themselves in pits, or fled wailing back to hide in holes and dark lightless places far from hope." --The Return of the King (book) /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer?
"Ant" wrote in message ... On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote: Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? SNIPPED ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. Hi. Join the club. There have been a number of threads fairly recently about the Card Readers built into HP & Compaq Computers. The Computers are highly specified with fast Processors & HDDs, USB 2 and Firewire Ports but the Card Readers are only USB 1. The first time I tried using the Reader it was going to take 20 minutes to download 400 Mb of images. I plugged my USB 2 Reader into the socket on the fascia of the built in reader and downloaded them in 2 minutes. The computer specifications very carefully omit any details about the Card Reader's Speed. They are probably still using these almost outdated readers in their current production of Computers and Printers. I complained to HP about the stupidity of building such old technology into a modern fast Computer, but only ever got the usual standard unhelpfull reply. My follow up complaint was, as expected, ignored. So much for "Total Care" or whatever their current crappy advertising phrase is. Roy G |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer?
"Ant" wrote in message ... On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote: Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? It's the memory card itself that's slow, not the card reader. Flash memory is by nature slow. Some of the newer, more expensive flash memory is faster, topping out around 20MB/sec. But that stuff is pretty rare and expensive. If your card is more than a year old, it's of the VERY slow variety. That said, it's also true that the printer will also be slow in reading the card, slower than your PC will be. You'd be far better off to buy a little USB dongle for reading the card directly on your PC. |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart8450 printer?
Dan G wrote:
"Ant" wrote in message ... On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote: Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? It's the memory card itself that's slow, not the card reader. Flash memory is by nature slow. Some of the newer, more expensive flash memory is faster, topping out around 20MB/sec. But that stuff is pretty rare and expensive. If your card is more than a year old, it's of the VERY slow variety. That said, it's also true that the printer will also be slow in reading the card, slower than your PC will be. You'd be far better off to buy a little USB dongle for reading the card directly on your PC. And to think, you used to drop the film off at the processor and come back in 3 days. What is this world coming too... |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart8450 printer?
Dan G wrote:
"Ant" wrote in message ... On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote: Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? It's the memory card itself that's slow, not the card reader. Flash memory is by nature slow. Some of the newer, more expensive flash memory is faster, topping out around 20MB/sec. But that stuff is pretty rare and expensive. If your card is more than a year old, it's of the VERY slow variety. But still hampered by a slow reader interface. That said, it's also true that the printer will also be slow in reading the card, slower than your PC will be. You'd be far better off to buy a little USB dongle for reading the card directly on your PC. Firewire readers are faster, but not ubiquitous, and some or many PCs don't even have FW ports. There seem to be two varieties of USB2. One is quite fast, the other slow. Nomenclature is confusing, giving marketers room to deceive one. -- john mcwilliams |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart8450 printer?
On 5/27/2007 7:07 AM PT, Dan G wrote:
"Ant" wrote in message ... On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote: Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? It's the memory card itself that's slow, not the card reader. Flash memory is by nature slow. Some of the newer, more expensive flash memory is faster, topping out around 20MB/sec. But that stuff is pretty rare and expensive. If your card is more than a year old, it's of the VERY slow variety. Oh definitely, old like five years. I wonder if the other cards in this printer are even slower. I don't know what other cards it supported (too lazy to find and dig out my manual). That said, it's also true that the printer will also be slow in reading the card, slower than your PC will be. You'd be far better off to buy a little USB dongle for reading the card directly on your PC. How much faster is the memory card reader directly to the PC via USB? How about those internal drive ones that I see in some brand computers in stores? -- "This is the ant. Treat it with respect. For it may very well be the next dominant lifeform of our planet." --Empire of the Ants movie /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart8450 printer?
On 5/27/2007 9:35 AM PT, John McWilliams wrote:
Dan G wrote: "Ant" wrote in message ... On 5/26/2007 8:32 PM PT, Dan G wrote: Memory cards are notoriously slow to read, MUCH slower than USB2. I'd say you're stuck with that speed. Printers never use the capability of USB2 either. I did NOT know that. That is a bit stupid to be slow then, especially when images can be so huge (1 MB each), many files in the bigger capability memory cards, etc. Have newer printers with memory card readers fixed this issue? Or all memory card readers just slow even the new ones? It's the memory card itself that's slow, not the card reader. Flash memory is by nature slow. Some of the newer, more expensive flash memory is faster, topping out around 20MB/sec. But that stuff is pretty rare and expensive. If your card is more than a year old, it's of the VERY slow variety. But still hampered by a slow reader interface. That said, it's also true that the printer will also be slow in reading the card, slower than your PC will be. You'd be far better off to buy a little USB dongle for reading the card directly on your PC. Firewire readers are faster, but not ubiquitous, and some or many PCs don't even have FW ports. I have FW ports but never used it. In fact, I never had use any FW device before even though I have FW ports. I am upset trhat I didn't buy an external custom USB HDD enclosure that came with both USB and FW ports a few years ago. Next time... There seem to be two varieties of USB2. One is quite fast, the other slow. Nomenclature is confusing, giving marketers room to deceive one. So how do I check which is check? Or is the USB flash drives, stick drives, and printer with memory card already enough to prove it (used the same ports and extension cable)? -- "No, I'd prefer a cooler WITHOUT an ant-door, thank you..." --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Not getting speed USB2 speed with my Hewlett Packard Photosmart 8450 printer?
"Ant" wrote in message ... How much faster is the memory card reader directly to the PC via USB? How about those internal drive ones that I see in some brand computers in stores? I have a little USB SD card reader here that will upload raw 5MP images as fast as I can open them in Photoshop. The main difference is that your PC has processor and memory power that a printer lacks, so the reading process is sped up. You should also get a new card, as the newer ones are much faster. But you don't really need to go to the expense of getting a "high speed" card unless you are pro using a pro camera that benefits from the speed. Any of the current crop of 1GB cards are a great value. A previous poster stated that there are 2 types of USB2, which is false. There's only USB1.1 and USB2. |
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