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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." While VIA's chips offer ok performance, low power consumption and VERY low prices, they definitely can't match Intel in terms of performance/watt. The VIA chips are CONSIDERABLY slower than any current Intel chips. Even the lowly 900MHz Celeron-M, with a TDP of only 5.0W should be able to match the 2.0GHz VIA C7-M chips when they ship. Certainly the 900MHz Celeron-M is a LOT faster than the current 1.3GHz C3 chips. ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:31:48 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 Seems to be a dead link, I was unable to download the pdf under Firefox under Linux. I was more under the impression that now Intel was going to push low power watts as a means of marketing their chips. I took this to mean that the chip with the lowest power usage wins the day. But now this brings up a good question, how exactly do you measure watt performance? A watt is a watt is a watt, maybe someone can educate me on this fine point. Gnu_Raiz |
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George Macdonald wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 Now show a study _not_ sponsored by Intel. And that addresses the watts of power used by each processor. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:35:07 -0500, Gnu_Raiz
wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:31:48 -0400, George Macdonald wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 Seems to be a dead link, I was unable to download the pdf under Firefox under Linux. It works fine for me with Mozilla/WinXP. I was more under the impression that now Intel was going to push low power watts as a means of marketing their chips. I took this to mean that the chip with the lowest power usage wins the day. But now this brings up a good question, how exactly do you measure watt performance? A watt is a watt is a watt, maybe someone can educate me on this fine point. Measuring and expressing results is not easy. There is an obvious space for a system with the right amount of performance for low heat and, more importantly, ultra-low noise. The Celeron buried both VIA chips for similar (enough) power consumption. -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:36:17 GMT, CJT wrote:
George Macdonald wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 Now show a study _not_ sponsored by Intel. And that addresses the watts of power used by each processor. C'mon this was not even a competition - the Celeron was in a different class and did not fail any tests. -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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George Macdonald wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:36:17 GMT, CJT wrote: George Macdonald wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:18:02 GMT, CJT wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Gnu_Raiz wrote: What gets me is this new per watt performance metric they are going to push out? Doesn't VIA have them beat right now? No. RM Actually, I think the answer is probably "Yes." Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 Now show a study _not_ sponsored by Intel. And that addresses the watts of power used by each processor. C'mon this was not even a competition - the Celeron was in a different class and did not fail any tests. Who's to say whether, if VIA were the sponsor, a test could be found that the Celeron failed. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:24:57 GMT, CJT wrote:
....snip... A focus on watts could drive Itanium even deeper in the hole. Focus on watts in laptops and SFF boxes? Paramount. In blade servers - ditto. Even at the expence of raw speed. But in desktops there is always a place for a fan or two, and there is always need for speed, be you a gamer, software developer, or heavy graphics user. Much more so in 4U+ servers. The top $ are paid for top notch performance of "mission-critical" databases and like. The heat produced by a high-performing chip is a problem that can be and usually is reasonably solved. That is, unless you deal with Prescott core that doubles as a space heater. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:36:17 GMT, CJT wrote:
George Macdonald wrote: Its not even close - you can get a benchmark comparison .pdf here http://www.tollygroup.com/DocDetail....cNumber=205107 Now show a study _not_ sponsored by Intel. And that addresses the watts of power used by each processor. Ok.. how's this? http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020605/ I'm no big fan of Tom's, but the fact of the matter is that the VIA C3 at 1.0GHz really struggles to match the performance of an ancient Celeron 667MHz processor. Now figure that the Celeron-M at 900MHz offers a greatly improved core, 4 times as much cache, 6 times the bus bandwidth and 3 times the memory bandwidth. It all adds up to the C3 just not being at all competitive. Even at 2.0GHz I suspect that the yet-to-ship C7 processor will have difficulty competing with a 900MHz Celeron-M, and it will do so with 4 times the power consumption (20W for the VIA chip vs. 5W for Intel). Ohh, here's another set of slightly dated numbers comparing the C3 at 800MHz to a PIII at 500MHz: http://www.dansdata.com/c3.htm ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca |
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