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Old September 27th 04, 07:19 AM
JAD
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figures nm your an idiot.. you live in a fantasy world....with
voodoo benchmarks and twisted statistics...go away jerome


"JK" wrote in message
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JAD wrote:

is it more expensive that current 32 bit processors?

AMD sells cheaper CPUs I am not saying that they don't. so why
compare to a Intel chip?


Okay. I could compare the Athlon 64 to the state of the art 32 bit

cpu,
the Sempron 3100+, which is basically an Athlon 64 with half the L2
cache of the Athlon 64 and the 64 bit functions disabled. Since the
Sempron 3100+ is so close in price to an Athlon 64 2800+ or 3000+,
one may as well get the Athlon 64.

compare it to a state o the art 32bit AMD
cpu. My point is why are you drumming a 64 bit more expensive,

proven
to have its BORKS


What?

, solution to run 32bit applications?


It is a great processor for running 32 bit software.

You could get
BORKED at the git go, as your 400$ video card won't run under

beta64.

What?


But don't worry, shelve it till next year


What? One can run it now in 32 bit mode if they have a problem
running it under the beta Windows X64.

when YOU guarantee there
will be better drivers.

"JK" wrote in message
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JAD wrote:

man forget it.......you fail to see my point

What is your point? let's make specific comparisons, not just

blanket
statements such as 64 bits is expensive, especially when that

really
isn't the case.

and at this point its
more like a phishing expedition.
Of course things get better of course things get cheaper when

the
newness wears off
of course you can buy now deal with the headaches. Talk about

'bang'
and your willing to pay more NOW

An Athlon 64 3000+(socket 754) isn't more expensive than a
Pentium 4 2.8 ghz though.

to FUTURE PROOF for later, for
something that has no variety NOW, but will GET BETTER next
year???????????????????????/

"JK" wrote in message
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JAD wrote:

Panorama Factory brand spanking new....so now RUN out and

by
all
new
software..

Can you show me benchmarks for the Pentium 4 running video

editing
software
that is a few years old compared to how an Athlon 64 runs

it?
Why is
it
okay
to test the Pentium 4 using using new software, but not to

test
an
Athlon
64
running new software?


,,, yes there is a main stream, piece of software. What

did
they
do go
through a list of editors till they found one that fit

there
scheme or
maybe contacted the programmer and had it tweaked. And is

it
the
software making the microsecond differences or the

CPU64bit?
PERCENTS
ARE A FUNNY THING...used many times to cloud the issues.
what was the resolution of the output?
/cut and paste/

Conclusions and things that go bork

The benchmarks were executed on the bare operating

systems.
64-bit
drivers are still in beta and not without problems. The

clean
install
of build 1069 of the Windows XP 64-bit evaluation OS

produced
the
predictably better results. The introduction of the nVIDIA

NForce3
4.34a 64-bit chipset drivers threw the benchmark into a

tailspin
producing consistently poor results. The 64-bit road will

be
good
to
walk down but it's still under construction; nVIDIA left a

few
potholes.

In other words expect the 64 bit performance to be even

better
once
better

drivers are available.



Panorama Factory demonstrates the advantages in speed and

ability
of
an application requiring large memory chunks in a 64-bit
environment
versus a 32-bit environment.

64-bit computing will bring about speed increases to a

number
of
applications. It's just how much and with what application

is
yet
to
be fully realized. The other exciting promise is the

ability
to
address more memory. Bigger chunks of data could mean

better
games
or
increasingly sophisticated multimedia tools.

The lesson has been taught and class is dismissed. 64-bit

means
big
bites of big data. It's do more and do more right now.

Because
of
the
increase in addressable memory a program that requires

larger
chunks
of memory to complete a task is faster in the 64-bit

world;
AMD's
world.

forever? complete delusional

thinking...very
naive
either intentionally or they were dropped on their head at

birth.

That review is just a taste of things to come. Even when

Intel
drops
the price on its 64 bit Pentium 4, a version of the P4 with
integrated
memory controllers might not be available for a very long

time.

Take a look at this article.

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1



"JK" wrote in message
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How about 64 bit image editing? This application runs

25%
faster using the 64 bit version rather than the 32 bit

version
on an Athlon 64.

http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=257&p=2

With some larger files, using the 32 bit version and a

32
bit
OS,
the task can't even run.

http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=257&p=1

JAD wrote:

LOL your very selective on what you chose to comment

on...

That will probably change within 6-9 months with the

release
of
the
64 bit version of Windows XP. My opinion on this is

that
Microsoft
probably
delayed 64 bit Windows XP to give them enough time

to
port
many
applications to 64 bit. The Windows 64 bit

introduction
will
imo
be
much
more successful if there is plenty of 64 bit

software
available
to
go
along with it.

Hey YO!!!! anybody in there....that is merely AN OS,,

whoopee
so
what? play 64 bit solitaire? type a 64 bit letter?

"JK" wrote in message
...


JAD wrote:

Oh! I know! 64-bit software is a pipe dream!

It'll
never
happen!

Very funny. Large amounts of 64 bit X86-64 software

is
in
development
now.




yeah LOL reminds me of HDTV...........get it?

just
now
and
its
been
drummed for 10 years

HDTV sets are finally about to become affordable for

the
average
person.
Some are predicting 32" lcd tv prices dropping to as

low
as
$1,200
within
2005. While $1,200 would still be considered a high

price
for a
television

by many people, it is still affordable for large

numbers
of
people,
while
around $4,000 is totally out of the question for

most
people.



! beta OS or linux....WOW!!!!! sounds like

fun....?

That will probably change within 6-9 months with the

release
of
the
64 bit version of Windows XP. My opinion on this is

that
Microsoft
probably
delayed 64 bit Windows XP to give them enough time

to
port
many
applications to 64 bit. The Windows 64 bit

introduction
will
imo
be
much
more successful if there is plenty of 64 bit

software
available
to
go
along with it.



Most people buy computers to last 2 to 5 years.

what does that have to do with that statement?

Do you think that 64bit will still be thought

of as
NEW
in
3
years?
You guys are saying that the price of the 64 bit

chips
will
remain
the
same for three years? So buy NOW with limited

stuff to
do

There is plenty of 32 bit bit software that runs

great
on an
Athlon
64 or
Opteron.
The Athlon 64 is already inexpensive. An Athlon

64(socket
754)
at
around
$150
is around the same price as a Pentium 4 2.8 ghz

which
is
only
32
bits.

, except test
for filthy rich companies, limited amounts of

everything
else,
at
a
higher price, OR wait until the prices fall and

there
is
mainstream
everything to go with it?

"Matt" wrote in

message
...
JAD wrote:


Now let's see ... if a 64-bit system costs no

more
than
a
32-bit
system
... which should I buy ... hmmm ... I just don't

know
...
let me
get
back to you on that ...

Oh! I know! 64-bit software is a pipe dream!

It'll
never
happen!







 




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