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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with
an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM (Buffalo), PNY Nvidia G210 card, running Windows 7 64 bit. I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the display. For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with the machine. Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started again. Could this be simply because my home is unheated? February in England and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my electricity bill. My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and have for fifteen years here. I would prefer to ignore this factor if anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is unresolvable. Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might need changing? I've got Windows' power setting set to High Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. Is this tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the BIOS pertaining to that? My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the little manual hasn't been enlightening. I had Q-fan enabled for a while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. Now I have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled. Have I forgotten anything? This is the first time I've gone 64 bit - does this require any BIOS or other changes? Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this machine die on me. I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and needed to run it fully to know it suits me. But though scans with Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not be foolproof. But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found. I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU or motherboard. Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. The CPU temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. The PNY card has a little fan. The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. With a case side off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, 'fanned up'. I've had the machine a month-ish. It turned out that one connector was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully assembling it myself from the components. Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable? All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance. |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
On Feb 20, 7:57*pm, poachedeggs wrote:
I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM (Buffalo), PNY Nvidia G210 card, running Windows 7 64 bit. I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the display. *For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with the machine. *Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible grinding din. *It stopped doing this after I shut down and started again. Could this be simply because my home is unheated? *February in England and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my electricity bill. *My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and have for fifteen years here. *I would prefer to ignore this factor if anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is unresolvable. Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might need changing? *I've got Windows' power setting set to High Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. *Is this tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the BIOS pertaining to that? My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the little manual hasn't been enlightening. *I had Q-fan enabled for a while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. *Now I have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled. Have I forgotten anything? *This is the first time I've gone 64 bit - does this require any BIOS or other changes? Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this machine die on me. I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and needed to run it fully to know it suits me. *But though scans with Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not be foolproof. *But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found. I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU or motherboard. *Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. *The CPU temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. *The PNY card has a little fan. *The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. *With a case side off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, *'fanned up'. I've had the machine a month-ish. *It turned out that one connector was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully assembling it myself from the components. Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable? All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. *Many thanks in advance. What's your opinion on this? I started reading up about whether a cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. The terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the least cold part of the room. I have also reinstalled 32 bit Windows 7, hopefully only temprarily, as a test, and without adding my cracked video software yet. I have had one Windows Explorer crash when trying to run Avast's setup file from my external hard drive, and will keep an eye on things. I've saved your advice in a file for later, but with the noise now entirely gone I'm hoping there are other things involved, hopefully either Avast 5 is buggy or that I shouldn't use the cracked video software. Hopefully I don't have a faulty motherboard. One other thing I'll reluctantly try is installing XP, or Ubuntu 9.10. This motherboard is supposed to be able to take PC6400 RAM too but came with a 1GB stick of 667 mhz RAM. This couldn't be involved could it? I've already had the shop where I got the RAM replace one stick and am not keen on asking them to replace both for 667 mhz RAM. Further views welcome. |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
On 02/20/2010 02:57 PM, poachedeggs wrote:
snip Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started again. CPUs do not make terrible grinding din. Your problem is most likely bad bearings in a fan, or a bad disk. If a bad disk, it could be bad bearings, or it could be a bad boot sector, with attempts to read the bad sector causing the noise. Sophisticated electronics do prefer a consistent temperature. You might keep the machine on 24/7 and just pay the extra fee for electricity. This will entail some additional wear on hard drives, but most will power down and go into stand-by mode when not used for long periods so the hit on that will not be too heavy. Cheers! jim b. -- UNIX is not user unfriendly; it merely expects users to be computer-friendly. |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
poachedeggs wrote:
On Feb 20, 7:57 pm, poachedeggs wrote: I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM (Buffalo), PNY Nvidia G210 card, running Windows 7 64 bit. I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the display. For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with the machine. Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started again. Could this be simply because my home is unheated? February in England and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my electricity bill. My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and have for fifteen years here. I would prefer to ignore this factor if anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is unresolvable. Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might need changing? I've got Windows' power setting set to High Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. Is this tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the BIOS pertaining to that? My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the little manual hasn't been enlightening. I had Q-fan enabled for a while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. Now I have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled. Have I forgotten anything? This is the first time I've gone 64 bit - does this require any BIOS or other changes? Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this machine die on me. I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and needed to run it fully to know it suits me. But though scans with Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not be foolproof. But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found. I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU or motherboard. Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. The CPU temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. The PNY card has a little fan. The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. With a case side off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, 'fanned up'. I've had the machine a month-ish. It turned out that one connector was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully assembling it myself from the components. Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable? All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance. What's your opinion on this? I started reading up about whether a cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. The terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the least cold part of the room. I have also reinstalled 32 bit Windows 7, hopefully only temprarily, as a test, and without adding my cracked video software yet. I have had one Windows Explorer crash when trying to run Avast's setup file from my external hard drive, and will keep an eye on things. I've saved your advice in a file for later, but with the noise now entirely gone I'm hoping there are other things involved, hopefully either Avast 5 is buggy or that I shouldn't use the cracked video software. Hopefully I don't have a faulty motherboard. One other thing I'll reluctantly try is installing XP, or Ubuntu 9.10. This motherboard is supposed to be able to take PC6400 RAM too but came with a 1GB stick of 667 mhz RAM. This couldn't be involved could it? I've already had the shop where I got the RAM replace one stick and am not keen on asking them to replace both for 667 mhz RAM. Further views welcome. The latest version of Avast, which is 5, is causing all sorts of problems with people's computers. Most of which are BSOD's. If you can get a copy of Avast version 4 it is stable. For further information go read the Avast support forums. Bob |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
On Feb 21, 7:06*pm, Bob M wrote:
poachedeggs wrote: On Feb 20, 7:57 pm, poachedeggs wrote: I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM (Buffalo), PNY Nvidia G210 card, running Windows 7 64 bit. I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the display. *For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with the machine. *Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible grinding din. *It stopped doing this after I shut down and started again. Could this be simply because my home is unheated? *February in England and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my electricity bill. *My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and have for fifteen years here. *I would prefer to ignore this factor if anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is unresolvable. Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might need changing? *I've got Windows' power setting set to High Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. *Is this tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the BIOS pertaining to that? My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the little manual hasn't been enlightening. *I had Q-fan enabled for a while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. *Now I have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled. Have I forgotten anything? *This is the first time I've gone 64 bit - does this require any BIOS or other changes? Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this machine die on me. I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and needed to run it fully to know it suits me. *But though scans with Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not be foolproof. *But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found. I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU or motherboard. *Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. *The CPU temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. *The PNY card has a little fan. *The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. *With a case side off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, *'fanned up'.. I've had the machine a month-ish. *It turned out that one connector was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully assembling it myself from the components. Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable? All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. *Many thanks in advance. What's your opinion on this? *I started reading up about whether a cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. *The terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the least cold part of the room. I have also reinstalled 32 bit Windows 7, hopefully only temprarily, as a test, and without adding my cracked video software yet. *I have had one Windows Explorer crash when trying to run Avast's setup file from my external hard drive, and will keep an eye on things. I've saved your advice in a file for later, but with the noise now entirely gone I'm hoping there are other things involved, hopefully either Avast 5 is buggy or that I shouldn't use the cracked video software. *Hopefully I don't have a faulty motherboard. *One other thing I'll reluctantly try is installing XP, or Ubuntu 9.10. This motherboard is supposed to be able to take PC6400 RAM too but came with a 1GB stick of 667 mhz RAM. *This couldn't be involved could it? *I've already had the shop where I got the RAM replace one stick and am not keen on asking them to replace both for 667 mhz RAM. Further views welcome. * *The latest version of Avast, which is 5, is causing all sorts of problems with people's computers. Most of which are BSOD's. If you can get a copy of Avast version 4 it is stable. For further information go read the Avast support forums. * Bob I may have made some progress today. The BIOS was three editions behind, so it has the newest version now - should have been done by the builders, I think, seeing as it's one of their combinations of motherboard and processor and not my choice from scratch. I've put 64 bit W7 back on and both my 2gb Buffalo Select sticks of RAM are in. I've got Avast 4.8 again now, not 5, which certainly has problems, whether or not it has caused crashes. I haven't had a Windows Explorer crash yet, but Windows Desktop Manager did crash, while I was looking at the system health check, or rather at the second I closed it down. I'm hoping the machine now copes with the processor, though if there are any more crashes I will try to fathom CPU-Z, which I downloaded earlier. I half-understand that I may need to change one setting from auto to manual in BIOS and choose one of the settings from 200mhz to 533mhz there - 400 mhz is mentioned when I run CPU-Z, whether that is chosen by the current 'auto' setting or pertains to the my Buffalo RAM. No mention in the BIOS of 800mhz so does that mean there is another speed pertaining to RAM that I don't yet understand? Ay yi yi... I will get the hang of it I imagine, but if anyone can speed up the learning curve, great. I did notice that the same figures did not show for both sticks of RAM, hope that's normal. Thanks. |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOSalteration?
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:08:35 -0800, poachedeggs wrote:
I half-understand that I may need to change one setting from auto to manual in BIOS and choose one of the settings from 200mhz to 533mhz there - 400 mhz is mentioned when I run CPU-Z, whether that is chosen by the current 'auto' setting or pertains to the my Buffalo RAM. No mention in the BIOS of 800mhz so does that mean there is another speed pertaining to RAM that I don't yet understand? Ay yi yi... Unfortunately, the speed of ram will likely confuse someone not familiar with the way it's rated these days. Many people are confused about this. The ram speed for DDR2 ram for instance is not rated at the bus speed. PC6400 memory is usually called 800MHz, when in fact the bus speed is only 200MHz. So don't confuse the 800MHz with what you need to set the actual bus speed at. Some board manufacturers want the actual bus speed, while others may want the bogus rated speed for the ram setting and then set the real bus clock speed accordingly. 800MHz ram=200MHz bus clock, etc. I haven't used any DDR3, but I'd guess the bus clock would be the ram rating divided by 4. I'm not sure how cpu-z reports the speed, but if it's reporting it 400MHz, it's certainly not the real clock speed of you're using DDR2 ram unless you have DDR2-1600 ram, which isn't likely since I believe the fastest made is DDR2-1066 which is rated for a 266Mhz bus clock. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
On Feb 22, 7:00*am, Wes Newell wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:08:35 -0800, poachedeggs wrote: *I half-understand that I may need to change one setting from auto to manual in BIOS and choose one of the settings from 200mhz to 533mhz there - 400 mhz is mentioned when I run CPU-Z, whether that is chosen by the current 'auto' setting or pertains to the my Buffalo RAM. *No mention in the BIOS of 800mhz so does that mean there is another speed pertaining to RAM that I don't yet understand? *Ay yi yi... Unfortunately, the speed of ram will likely confuse someone not familiar with the way it's rated these days. Many people are confused about this. The ram speed for DDR2 ram for instance is not rated at the bus speed. PC6400 memory is usually called 800MHz, when in fact the bus speed is only 200MHz. So don't confuse the 800MHz with what you need to set the actual bus speed at. Some board manufacturers want the actual bus speed, while others may want the bogus rated speed for the ram setting and then set the real bus clock speed accordingly. 800MHz ram=200MHz bus clock, etc. I haven't used any DDR3, but I'd guess the bus clock would be the ram rating divided by 4. I'm not sure how cpu-z reports the speed, but if it's reporting it 400MHz, it's certainly not the real clock speed of you're using DDR2 ram unless you have DDR2-1600 ram, which isn't likely since I believe the fastest made is DDR2-1066 which is rated for a 266Mhz bus clock. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder?http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experiencehttp://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 comparedhttp://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu helphttp://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php In case anyone else looks here in the future with similar aggro, I needed a newer BIOS (there had been three new ones since), and the CPU fan needed some 3-in-1. All is well now. I hope nothing was worn or overtaxed on the way to this relaisation to the extent that the life of themachine is shortened. Amazing really - the people that built this forgot to plug the HD light in, fitted the CPU fan cursorily and didn't update the bios to suit the processor, I'm almost tempted to name them... |
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terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?
The Other Guy wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:06:19 -0600, Bob M wrote: The latest version of Avast, which is 5, is causing all sorts of problems with people's computers. No, it isn't. Except MAYBE yours. Go to the Avast forum like I said and read all the complaints. I'm using Avast 4.8 which works great. Comprehend what you read moron. |
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