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upgrading processor advice?
What governs how much of an upgrade can be made with cpu's? I have a
six-year-old Fujitsu Scenic T, 1.3 ghz (intel celeron). I have souped- up everything that will co-operate bar the processor. Thanks. |
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On Jan 9, 6:29*pm, poachedeggs wrote:
What governs how much of an upgrade can be made with cpu's? *I have a six-year-old Fujitsu Scenic T, 1.3 ghz (intel celeron). *I have souped- up everything that will co-operate bar the processor. Thanks. Start by figuring out which package/socket the processor/motherboard has. Some of the problems you may run into: 1. The motherboard and socket (and BIOS) will limit the speed and type of processor you can use 2. The motherboard will limit the speed and type of memory you can use Usually the main problem is that you also want to increase the amount and speed of memory, and then you find that the memory limit is soon exceeded, or the type of memory is long gone out of style (and therefore is expensive or hard to find). 6 years is several generations of computers and technology. But if you want to do it, Craigslist and equivalent are often good places to find upgrade components, at least in some parts of the world. |
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poachedeggs wrote:
What governs how much of an upgrade can be made with cpu's? I have a six-year-old Fujitsu Scenic T, 1.3 ghz (intel celeron). I have souped- up everything that will co-operate bar the processor. Thanks. If the machine is S370, the top processor was 1.4GHz. I suspect there may be more than one model of that computer, so if there is more to the name of the computer than that, you might try Googling to see if someone has already tried a different processor in it. The Pentium has more cache than the Celeron, but that is not going to make enough difference for the money it would cost. The "CPUZ" program can be used to give more hardware details about your machine. If you want to upgrade, one consideration might be the OS you're interested in running. If you're already using WinXP, then no problem finding hardware for that. If you're running Win98SE, that can be more of a challenge. I was able to install Win98SE on my Asrock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 ($70) and Core2 E4700 2.6GHz ($170 retail), with an old AGP video card. So there are some platforms that will allow Win98SE to run. Win98SE will only use one core of the two on the processor, but is much faster at rendering web pages, than my old Celeron 1.1GHz. (I installed Win98SE as an experiment, to see if it would still work.) Paul |
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upgrading processor advice?
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:29:12 -0800 (PST), poachedeggs
wrote: What governs how much of an upgrade can be made with cpu's? I have a six-year-old Fujitsu Scenic T, 1.3 ghz (intel celeron). I have souped- up everything that will co-operate bar the processor. Thanks. There is no reasonable gain to be had, your processor is already too near the max performance possible from socket 370. If you want to keep it snappy for basic uses, install Firefox and block ads, scripts, and flash. Install an older Office Suite like Office 2000 or '97. Compare the OS memory load to the amount of memory installed and lighten that load if reasonably possible. That system might make a reasonable DIY NAS if you tossed a gigabit ethernet card and SATA RAID card into it, though at it's present age the motherboard or PSU might be too worn to expect another tour of duty out of them. Then again, the cost of the two PCI cards could just be put towards another drive for a newer system which would tend to have gigabit ethernet and raid built-in. |
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On Jan 10, 11:21*am, kony wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:29:12 -0800 (PST), poachedeggs wrote: What governs how much of an upgrade can be made with cpu's? *I have a six-year-old Fujitsu Scenic T, 1.3 ghz (intel celeron). *I have souped- up everything that will co-operate bar the processor. Thanks. There is no reasonable gain to be had, your processor is already too near the max performance possible from socket 370. * If you want to keep it snappy for basic uses, install Firefox and block ads, scripts, and flash. *Install an older Office Suite like Office 2000 or '97. * Compare the OS memory load to the amount of memory installed and lighten that load if reasonably possible. That system might make a reasonable DIY NAS if you tossed a gigabit ethernet card and SATA RAID card into it, though at it's present age the motherboard or PSU might be too worn to expect another tour of duty out of them. * Then again, the cost of the two PCI cards could just be put towards another drive for a newer system which would tend to have gigabit ethernet and raid built-in. The pc is a Fujitsu-Siemens Scenic T with D1371 mainboard. On a .pdf I found it says the maximum RAM is 512 mb. However, when I had a Compaq deskpro just before it I learnt through forums that it could exceed the manufacturer's specified RAM, and at the time of this Fujitsu .pdf the machine had a 1.2 ghz processor rather than the 1.3, so perhaps this .pdf is significantly too contemporary to when the machine was new and might be ignored. Should I be able to have 1 gb in there? Money is tight and I'm just souping the machine up gradually as a hobby interest thing prior to making my first attempt at assembling it's newest compenents with a new motherboard, though that is some way off. So, if you can confirm that I should be able to reach 1 gb, I'll get 512 mb at a time from someone on eBay with 100% feedback. If it helps you answer, I've looked at the .pdf and can add it has: Intel 810E2 chipset FC PGA370 processor socket. Thanks. |
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poachedeggs wrote:
On Jan 10, 11:21 am, kony wrote: On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:29:12 -0800 (PST), poachedeggs wrote: What governs how much of an upgrade can be made with cpu's? I have a six-year-old Fujitsu Scenic T, 1.3 ghz (intel celeron). I have souped- up everything that will co-operate bar the processor. Thanks. There is no reasonable gain to be had, your processor is already too near the max performance possible from socket 370. If you want to keep it snappy for basic uses, install Firefox and block ads, scripts, and flash. Install an older Office Suite like Office 2000 or '97. Compare the OS memory load to the amount of memory installed and lighten that load if reasonably possible. That system might make a reasonable DIY NAS if you tossed a gigabit ethernet card and SATA RAID card into it, though at it's present age the motherboard or PSU might be too worn to expect another tour of duty out of them. Then again, the cost of the two PCI cards could just be put towards another drive for a newer system which would tend to have gigabit ethernet and raid built-in. The pc is a Fujitsu-Siemens Scenic T with D1371 mainboard. On a .pdf I found it says the maximum RAM is 512 mb. However, when I had a Compaq deskpro just before it I learnt through forums that it could exceed the manufacturer's specified RAM, and at the time of this Fujitsu .pdf the machine had a 1.2 ghz processor rather than the 1.3, so perhaps this .pdf is significantly too contemporary to when the machine was new and might be ignored. Should I be able to have 1 gb in there? Money is tight and I'm just souping the machine up gradually as a hobby interest thing prior to making my first attempt at assembling it's newest compenents with a new motherboard, though that is some way off. So, if you can confirm that I should be able to reach 1 gb, I'll get 512 mb at a time from someone on eBay with 100% feedback. If it helps you answer, I've looked at the .pdf and can add it has: Intel 810E2 chipset FC PGA370 processor socket. Thanks. This page lists i810E2 as the chipset. http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/rl/.../sceniclt1.htm The i810E2 is listed as "two memory slots, 512MB total max" here. http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/mature/index.htm PDF page 81 Section 4.3 of the following doc, lists support for 128megabit chips on the module. 16 of those chips would give a 256MB DIMM. Two 256MB DIMMs achieves 512MB. Table 4 on PDF page 40 shows the programming options of the DRP register, and a 256MB DIMM consisting of (16) 16mx8 chips is the largest configuration shown. http://download.intel.com/design/chi...s/29067602.pdf On the next GMCH chip technology wise, Table 4 on PDF page 54 shows the row and column bit requirements. Your chip uses 12row/10column for a 256MB DIMM. The next modes are 13row/9column and 13row/10column. Your chip couldn't do those, because it only has 12 address lines. If you stuck a 512MB chip in the slot, only half of it would be detected would be my guess. http://download.intel.com/design/chi...x/29071401.pdf So unless you can find some evidence in Google, that an 810E board took larger DIMMs, I would advise against wasting money on the experiment. 2x256MB is it. I just did a quick check, and the test results look like a failure. But check for yourself, just to be sure. HTH, Paul |
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poachedeggs wrote: The pc is a Fujitsu-Siemens Scenic T with D1371 mainboard. On a .pdf I found it says the maximum RAM is 512 mb. However, when I had a Compaq deskpro just before it I learnt through forums that it could exceed the manufacturer's specified RAM, and at the time of this Fujitsu .pdf the machine had a 1.2 ghz processor rather than the 1.3, so perhaps this .pdf is significantly too contemporary to when the machine was new and might be ignored. Should I be able to have 1 gb in there? Money is tight and I'm just souping the machine up gradually as a hobby interest thing prior to making my first attempt at assembling it's newest compenents with a new motherboard, though that is some way off. So, if you can confirm that I should be able to reach 1 gb, I'll get 512 mb at a time from someone on eBay with 100% feedback. If it helps you answer, I've looked at the .pdf and can add it has: Intel 810E2 chipset FC PGA370 processor socket. Intel 810xx chipset means 512MB is limit. I tried more, and it didn't take. Windows 98SE and ME run fine with 256MB. Windows XP, at least XP Home, seems to run fine with at least 512MB, but forget about trying that with Vista. Take a look at Fry's local store ads: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com They also do mail order at Frys.com, but prices aren't always the same. Their cheapest deal currently is this $50 mobo w/ Athlon uniprocessor: http://cdn.travidia.com/rop-sub/24874581 But for $80 you can get this better combo: http://cdn.travidia.com/rop-sub/24866195 Unless your current power supply has a square 4-pin power connector in addition to a 20-pin one, you'll need a new one. Cheap is OK, but junk is not, and power supplies vary more in quality than about any other PC component does. www.JonnyGuru.com tells you what's good and what's bad. Fry's best memory deal now, $20 AR, 2x1GB PC6400 Crucial/Micron or Crucial/Samsung: http://cdn.travidia.com/rop-sub/24866645 Skip the Kingston 2GB P5300 deal for the same price or the Corsair TwinX 4GB pair for $25 because those brands are made with pretty bad chips, and last week I returned that very type of TwinX -- twice. Your safest bet is Crucial, but only if it has no heatsinks and works at completely standard voltage (2.50V for PC2100 - PC3200 DDR, 1.80V for PC5300 and faster DDR2). There's a good chance that those pair of 1GB Crucial modules were made by Samsung, if not Micron. |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:18:25 -0800 (PST), poachedeggs
wrote: The pc is a Fujitsu-Siemens Scenic T with D1371 mainboard. On a .pdf I found it says the maximum RAM is 512 mb. However, when I had a Compaq deskpro just before it I learnt through forums that it could exceed the manufacturer's specified RAM, and at the time of this Fujitsu .pdf the machine had a 1.2 ghz processor rather than the 1.3, so perhaps this .pdf is significantly too contemporary to when the machine was new and might be ignored. Should I be able to have 1 gb in there? Money is tight and I'm just souping the machine up gradually as a hobby interest thing prior to making my first attempt at assembling it's newest compenents with a new motherboard, though that is some way off. So, if you can confirm that I should be able to reach 1 gb, I'll get 512 mb at a time from someone on eBay with 100% feedback. If it helps you answer, I've looked at the .pdf and can add it has: Intel 810E2 chipset FC PGA370 processor socket You are limited to 512MB, the best way to go with a tight budget is a $40 Foxconn board from Newegg, a low-end dual core Athlon 64 X2, and a couple GB of DDR2 memory. Total cost a little under $120 delivered if you take advantage of the market slump in DDR2 memory prices though DDR2 prices have gone up slightly since the middle of last month and may slowly continue doing so. If you're lucky the PSU in your system is modern enough to have a fairly good 12V rail capability. If not, you would need a replacement PSU too and that one may be proprietarily shaped (assuming you would rebuild into the same case), though once the current system is fully disassembled it might be possible to take a sabre saw or equivalent and cut out an appropriate sized hole, drill new screw mounting holes, for a standard ATX PSU, and/or make an adapter plate for a standard mATX PSU. If you went with integrated video on a new mobo, no overclocking, you should be well within the limitations of a typical, quality, mATX PSU provided you don't have a lot of hard drives. |
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