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Old February 20th 10, 09:06 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
poachedeggs
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with
an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM
(Buffalo, PC6400, a compatible speed with the m/b), PNY Nvidia G210
card, running Windows 7 64 bit.

I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty
Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the
display. For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by
a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one
seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with
the machine. Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible
grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started
again.

Could this be simply because my home is unheated? February in England
and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my
electricity bill. My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and
have for fifteen years here. I would prefer to ignore this factor if
anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is
unresolvable.

Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might
need changing? I've got Windows' power setting set to High
Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. Is this
tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the
BIOS pertaining to that?

My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these
things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the
little manual hasn't been enlightening. I had Q-fan enabled for a
while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. Now I
have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled.

Have I forgotten anything? This is the first time I've gone 64 bit -
does this require any BIOS or other changes?

Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this
machine die on me.

I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software
running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it
in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and
needed to run it fully to know it suits me. But though scans with
Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not
be foolproof. But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything
bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found.

I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from
because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out
of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU
or motherboard. Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. The CPU
temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. The PNY card has a
little fan. The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to
connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. With a case side
off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, 'fanned up'.
I've had the machine a month-ish. It turned out that one connector
was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD
activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a
nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully
assembling it myself from the components.

Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable?

All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. Many
thanks in advance.
  #2  
Old February 20th 10, 10:55 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Paul
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

poachedeggs wrote:
I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with
an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM
(Buffalo, PC6400, a compatible speed with the m/b), PNY Nvidia G210
card, running Windows 7 64 bit.

I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty
Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the
display. For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by
a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one
seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with
the machine. Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible
grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started
again.

Could this be simply because my home is unheated? February in England
and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my
electricity bill. My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and
have for fifteen years here. I would prefer to ignore this factor if
anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is
unresolvable.

Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might
need changing? I've got Windows' power setting set to High
Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. Is this
tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the
BIOS pertaining to that?

My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these
things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the
little manual hasn't been enlightening. I had Q-fan enabled for a
while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. Now I
have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled.

Have I forgotten anything? This is the first time I've gone 64 bit -
does this require any BIOS or other changes?

Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this
machine die on me.

I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software
running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it
in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and
needed to run it fully to know it suits me. But though scans with
Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not
be foolproof. But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything
bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found.

I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from
because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out
of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU
or motherboard. Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. The CPU
temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. The PNY card has a
little fan. The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to
connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. With a case side
off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, 'fanned up'.
I've had the machine a month-ish. It turned out that one connector
was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD
activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a
nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully
assembling it myself from the components.

Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable?

All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. Many
thanks in advance.


A "terrible noise" coming from a CPU fan, means there is a mechanical
problem. Some fans have sleeve bearings, and have poor mechanical tolerances.
They "wobble" at startup, and that gives the "growling" noise. If you're
still under warranty, or still on speaking terms with your system builder,
discuss the possibility of using a higher quality aftermarket cooler.

CPUs come in "retail" or "OEM" versions. The retail one comes in a box,
and includes a heatsink/fan for cooling. The OEM processor, comes with
no cooler. If you buy an OEM CPU, then you can shop for an aftermarket
cooler, of the quality you're happy with.

Your AMD CPU socket has a couple plastic tabs on it, for a clip to fasten.
Coolers which remove easily, from the top side of the motherboard, may use
that clip mechanism. The clip makes it relatively easy, for a person to
replace the cooler.

Some of the coolers which are much heavier, use their own retention frame and
backing plate, and require removing the motherboard to install them. For
a person who paid to have a system assembled, this is more work than they
would bargain for, and it might be better in that case, to get someone
else to do the installation.

The heatsink on my current system, fastens with screws, and the nuts are on
the back side of the motherboard. I have to take my system all apart, to
do maintenance. On the positive side, there is no danger my cooler will
ever fall off. And the fan on the unit I got, seems to be pretty good.

There are hundreds of different models of coolers for sale, some of
which give good performance and are hard to install, some which
are easy to install but don't cool well. Since your processor is a
65W unit, you might get away with the usage of one of the latter type.
If you had a higher power processor (they range up to 140W), then
in a case like that, the emphasis is on cooling performance, and convenience
doesn't matter. Always read customer reviews, before buying any cooler,
and if possible, download the installation instructions before you
buy. Some coolers (like the Tuniq Tower), are notoriously hard to
install - some you have to access an area where you cannot see what
your fingers are doing, and use sense of touch only. In some cases,
if you have big hands, it isn't going to happen.

In this example, you can see there is plenty of room to get your
hands near where the clip fits. But this particular heatsink
probably needs a bit better finish and design of the plate on the
bottom, as some customers complain it doesn't cool that well. The
heatpipes used by this design, are filled with a couple drops of
fluid, and the boiling and condensation of the fluid, is what makes the
pipes virtually perfect conductors of heat. Heat pipes allow
concentrated heat to be moved from the top of the CPU, into
the multitude of fins. Heatpipes are a great invention, which
have made a big difference to how well the coolers work.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/35-233-018-S04?$S640W$

If you're sure it is the CPU cooler that is the problem, talk
to your system builder, and see what options they suggest to
fix it. Oiling the fan, would be a temporary solution, and
oil is only a good workaround, if there is a hole you can use
to add the oil. I have some fans here, where the instruction
to "oil the fan", simply couldn't be followed. There is no room
to precisely get oil inside.

Paul
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Old February 21st 10, 01:21 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
nobody >[_2_]
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

poachedeggs wrote:

Could this be simply because my home is unheated? February in England
and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my
electricity bill. My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and
have for fifteen years here. I would prefer to ignore this factor if
anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is
unresolvable.


Simple cause, gummy lube in one of the fan motors.

I've had the same thing happen with quite a few different "things" when
they have either been out in the shed (unheated)or sat in the car
overnight when it's cold outside when I fired them up in the house.

Your desktop has at least two fans, the one in the power supply and the
CPU fan (I know there are fanless CPU coolers..).

You may also have a fan on your video card and/or your mobo's chipset.

You probably also have a case fan or two if this was a custom rig.

ID'ing the culprit is easy.

First, power down the machine.
Poke something non-metallic like a chopstick, wooden skewer, cotton
swab, tyrap, etc into each fan (one at a time) to stop it from spinning.

Power it back up. If the noise stops, you have the culprit.

If not, keep going until you find the noisy fan.

Actually fixing it boils down to your mechanical skills, as well as what
you feel comfortable doing.

1)Cheap way is to relube the fan.

Others may have different opinions, but plain old "3 in 1" oil works
reasonably well on sleeve bearings.
Ball-type bearings need something heavier, I use spray-can motorcycle
chain lube or "white lithium grease" in a pointy squeeze tube.

WD40/LPS etc might quiet the noise for a bit, but they aren't really
decent fan lubes. But, they often will dissolve/thin out/soften up the
existing lube so that it does work for a long time. YMMV. I've done
this, with about a 50% pass rate. Just be ready to go back in and use a
real lube if the "magic spray" doesn't pan out.

I'm an "oldus fartus", I remember the BrylCreem slogan:
"A little dab'll do ya".
Apply *any* lube sparingly. One drop is plenty, some large fans can use two.

There are some fans that you just can't get apart far enough to get lube
into.
There's also the electrical hazard involved when opening a power supply,
the capacitors can store a large amount of moderately high-voltage for a
long time even when disconnected.

Your call here....

2) Replace the fan

Hope this helps.



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Old February 21st 10, 11:07 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
poachedeggs
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

On Feb 21, 12:21*am, "nobody " wrote:
poachedeggs wrote:
Could this be simply because my home is unheated? *February in England
and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my
electricity bill. *My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and
have for fifteen years here. *I would prefer to ignore this factor if
anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is
unresolvable.


Simple cause, gummy lube in one of the fan motors.

I've had the same thing happen with quite a few different "things" when
they have either been out in the shed (unheated)or sat in the car
overnight when it's cold outside when I fired them up in the house.

Your desktop has at least two fans, the one in the power supply and the
CPU fan (I know there are fanless CPU coolers..).

You may also have a fan on your video card and/or your mobo's chipset.

You probably also have a case fan or two if this was a custom rig.

ID'ing the culprit is easy.

First, power down the machine.
Poke something non-metallic like a chopstick, wooden skewer, cotton
swab, tyrap, etc into each fan (one at a time) to stop it from spinning.

Power it back up. If the noise stops, you have the culprit.

If not, keep going until you find the noisy fan.

Actually fixing it boils down to your mechanical skills, as well as what
you feel comfortable doing.

1)Cheap way is to relube the fan.

Others may have different opinions, but plain old "3 in 1" oil works
reasonably well on sleeve bearings.
Ball-type bearings need something heavier, I use spray-can motorcycle
chain lube or "white lithium grease" in a pointy squeeze tube.

WD40/LPS etc might quiet the noise for a bit, but they aren't really
decent fan lubes. But, they often will dissolve/thin out/soften up the
existing lube so that it does work for a long time. YMMV. I've done
this, with about a 50% pass rate. Just be ready to go back in and use a
real lube if the "magic spray" doesn't pan out.

I'm an "oldus fartus", I remember the BrylCreem slogan:
"A little dab'll do ya".
Apply *any* lube sparingly. One drop is plenty, some large fans can use two.

There are some fans that you just can't get apart far enough to get lube
into.
There's also the electrical hazard involved when opening a power supply,
the capacitors can store a large amount of moderately high-voltage for a
long time even when disconnected.

Your call here....

2) Replace the fan

Hope this helps.


What's your opinion on this? I started reading up about whether a
cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the
BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. The
terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present
reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the
least cold part of the room.

I have also reinstalled 32 bit Windows 7, hopefully only temprarily,
as a test, and without adding my cracked video software yet. I have
had one Windows Explorer crash when trying to run Avast's setup file
from my external hard drive, and will keep an eye on things.

I've saved your advice in a file for later, but with the noise now
entirely gone I'm hoping there are other things involved, hopefully
either Avast 5 is buggy or that I shouldn't use the cracked video
software. Hopefully I don't have a faulty motherboard. One other
thing I'll reluctantly try is installing XP, or Ubuntu 9.10.

Further views welcome.
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Old February 21st 10, 11:55 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
SteveH
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

poachedeggs wrote:
I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with
an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM
(Buffalo, PC6400, a compatible speed with the m/b), PNY Nvidia G210
card, running Windows 7 64 bit.

I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty
Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the
display. For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by
a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one
seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with
the machine. Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible
grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started
again.


Did you listen to this noise with the side off, to try and identify exactly
where the noise is coming from? It does sound to me like dodgy fan bearings,
but you need to identify it better. If it is the CPU fan, it may be worth
getting the CPU cooler/fan changed for something better, like those from
Arcitc Cooling.

My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these
things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the
little manual hasn't been enlightening. I had Q-fan enabled for a
while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. Now I
have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled.

No, C&C thottles the CPU which then allows the CPU fan to run slower, if
Q-Fan is enabled (at least that's my understanding of it!)


--
SteveH


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Old February 21st 10, 03:16 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
TVeblen
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

On 2/21/2010 5:07 AM, poachedeggs wrote:
Snip

What's your opinion on this? I started reading up about whether a
cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the
BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. The
terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present
reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the
least cold part of the room.

Snip

No. Heat is the enemy of electronics. Not cool-ness.
A fan squeal is a mechanical issue. It would be aggravated by cold
conditions but that does not change the fact that the fan is defective
is some way - usual;ly correctable by proper oiling as the others have
pointed out.
Other than BIOS error code beeping, I can not think of a single instance
where a noise coming from anywhere but the speakers could be software
related.

  #7  
Old February 21st 10, 06:59 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
poachedeggs
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

On 21 Feb, 14:16, TVeblen wrote:
On 2/21/2010 5:07 AM, poachedeggs wrote:
Snip

What's your opinion on this? *I started reading up about whether a
cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the
BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. *The
terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present
reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the
least cold part of the room.


Snip

No. Heat is the enemy of electronics. Not cool-ness.
A fan squeal is a mechanical issue. It would be aggravated by cold
conditions but that does not change the fact that the fan is defective
is some way - usual;ly correctable by proper oiling as the others have
pointed out.
Other than BIOS error code beeping, I can not think of a single instance
where a noise coming from anywhere but the speakers could be software
related.


We can ignore the fan noise now, it occured only yesterday and has
stopped. I just need to learn more about my other enquiries here, the
instability with W7 - Windows Explorer crashing and whether it's to do
with awrong bios setting in relation to my 800mhz ram etc. I've put
the posting on Asus' own forum too but it seems fairly moribund there.

Thanks for any further input.
  #8  
Old February 21st 10, 07:20 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
TVeblen
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

On 2/20/2010 3:06 PM, poachedeggs wrote:
I have got a custom built machine: Asus M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard with
an AMD Athlon I X2 250 3 ghz CPU, plus 320 hd drive, 4 gb RAM
(Buffalo, PC6400, a compatible speed with the m/b), PNY Nvidia G210
card, running Windows 7 64 bit.

I had some instability problems when I'd had some apparently faulty
Elixir RAM - blue screens, and warped thing shappening on the
display. For a little while, waiting for the Elixir to be replaced by
a second stick of Buffalo RAM - asked for by me because the other one
seems fine - I only had 3gb, adding a 1gb generic stick that came with
the machine. Today is the first time the CPU has made this terrible
grinding din. It stopped doing this after I shut down and started
again.

Could this be simply because my home is unheated? February in England
and no central heating, which I can't rectify without trebling my
electricity bill. My laptop and netbook and other appliances cope and
have for fifteen years here. I would prefer to ignore this factor if
anything else is also possible, simply because this factor is
unresolvable.

Or, can you advise me about any Bios or Windows settings that might
need changing? I've got Windows' power setting set to High
Performance, and to not go into sleep or hibernation mode. Is this
tied in with ACPI and all that, i.e should anything be altered in the
BIOS pertaining to that?

My BIOS has sections for both Q-fan and Cool 'n' Quiet, but both these
things seem to do the same job, which I'm a bit muddled about, and the
little manual hasn't been enlightening. I had Q-fan enabled for a
while, and then I disabled it as it didnt seem to do anything. Now I
have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled.

Have I forgotten anything? This is the first time I've gone 64 bit -
does this require any BIOS or other changes?

Modest as the cost may seem to some I really can't afford to have this
machine die on me.

I will admit that I have one 'cracked' bit of video-editing software
running, and I'm happy to admit this because I fully intend to buy it
in a month's time as it is not as expensive as I'd thought, £35, and
needed to run it fully to know it suits me. But though scans with
Avast and Defender show no viruses, it did occur to me that might not
be foolproof. But I would think Keygen is famous enough that anything
bad smuggled into a version of it would soon be found.

I'm dreading having ot talk to the company I bought the machine from
because it would be so long-winded and they'd probably try to get out
of responsibility some way or another if there is a fault with the CPU
or motherboard. Memtest has okayed the RAM, anyway. The CPU
temperature checks out as normal in the BIOS too. The PNY card has a
little fan. The case has a fan which I was told wasn't necessary to
connect - it was very noisy so I've not bothered. With a case side
off I put my hand near and all seems cool and very, er, 'fanned up'.
I've had the machine a month-ish. It turned out that one connector
was on wrong as set up by the company, a connector that makes the HD
activity light work - I'm not too inspired by the thought that I as a
nervous novice have put this right after bottling out of fully
assembling it myself from the components.

Or maybe Windows 7 64 bit isn't stable?

All advice, as jargon-free as possible, would be appreciated. Many
thanks in advance.


It would help everyone here greatly if you could describe the problems
you are having with the operating system as clearly and concisely as you
can. Post what causes the evbent(s), the exact wording of any screen
messages you are getting, the information given in the bluescreen, Event
Viewer logs, etc. Like Jack Webb used to say: "Just the facts ma'am".
Windows 7 is very demanding of components, particularly video and power
supply. Lots of people have had issues that turned out to be hardware
related. You will need to do some diagnostic tests to determine the
cause of your particular problem(s)to rule out the usual suspects one at
a time.

  #9  
Old February 21st 10, 08:18 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
SteveH
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

poachedeggs wrote:
On 21 Feb, 14:16, TVeblen wrote:
On 2/21/2010 5:07 AM, poachedeggs wrote:
Snip

What's your opinion on this? I started reading up about whether a
cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the
BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. The
terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present
reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the
least cold part of the room.


Snip

No. Heat is the enemy of electronics. Not cool-ness.
A fan squeal is a mechanical issue. It would be aggravated by cold
conditions but that does not change the fact that the fan is
defective is some way - usual;ly correctable by proper oiling as the
others have pointed out.
Other than BIOS error code beeping, I can not think of a single
instance where a noise coming from anywhere but the speakers could
be software related.


We can ignore the fan noise now, it occured only yesterday and has
stopped. I just need to learn more about my other enquiries here, the
instability with W7 - Windows Explorer crashing and whether it's to do
with awrong bios setting in relation to my 800mhz ram etc. I've put
the posting on Asus' own forum too but it seems fairly moribund there.

Thanks for any further input.


Could just be the Elixir memory, I've never had any luck with it, and I've
tried it on a few builds. If I do a build for someone now, they pay for
Crucial or get a PC with no memory.

--
SteveH


  #10  
Old February 23rd 10, 07:42 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
poachedeggs
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Default terrible CPU or CPU fan noise on some startups - BIOS alteration?

On Feb 21, 7:18*pm, "SteveH"
wrote:
poachedeggs wrote:
On 21 Feb, 14:16, TVeblen wrote:
On 2/21/2010 5:07 AM, poachedeggs wrote:
Snip


What's your opinion on this? I started reading up about whether a
cold home could be bad for a pc, and saw some advice to stop at the
BIOS stage in cold conditions to let the machine warm up. The
terrible din hasn't recurred - the only reason I'm not at present
reacting to your splendid advice - and I've also moved the pc to the
least cold part of the room.


Snip


No. Heat is the enemy of electronics. Not cool-ness.
A fan squeal is a mechanical issue. It would be aggravated by cold
conditions but that does not change the fact that the fan is
defective is some way - usual;ly correctable by proper oiling as the
others have pointed out.
Other than BIOS error code beeping, I can not think of a single
instance where a noise coming from anywhere but the speakers could
be software related.


We can ignore the fan noise now, it occured only yesterday and has
stopped. *I just need to learn more about my other enquiries here, the
instability with W7 - Windows Explorer crashing and whether it's to do
with awrong bios setting in relation to my 800mhz ram etc. *I've put
the posting on Asus' own forum too but it seems fairly moribund there.


Thanks *for any further input.


Could just be the Elixir memory, I've never had any luck with it, and I've
tried it on a few builds. If I do a build for someone now, they pay for
Crucial or get a PC with no memory.

--
SteveH


In case anyone else looks here in the future with similar aggro, I
needed a newer BIOS, and the CPU fan needed some 3-in-1. All is well
now. I hope nothing was worn or overtaxed on the way to this
relaisation to the extent that the life of themachine is shortened.

Amazing really - the people that built this forgot to plug the HD
light in, fitted the CPU fan cursorily and didn't update the bios to
suit the processor, I'm almost tempted to name them...
 




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