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best cloning method?
I'm beyond aggravated. I've upgraged dozens of hard drives in the past
using the floppy to format the new drive and copy the original drive over to the new one. Apparently the days of simplicity are over. I tried using the Maxtor Maxblast software since the new drive is a Maxtor 80g ata133 7200rpm (the old is a 28g Western Digital.) Maxtor says to use the Windows based version of the program. In the oldern days there was no such thing, and for good reason - if any files are in use in your Windows session, how will you be able to copy them to the new drive sucessfully? This results in failed attempt number one, since when I reboot all the Norton software on the system is messed up. Systemworks 2006 needs to be reactivated. Antivirus 2006 shows that it's running in the system tray, but the system checker thing says that no antivirus software is present. Blah, blah, blah - bottom line - it didn't work. So I start over and use the DOS version of the software off of a bootable CD. I format the new drive, but the automatic process of asking if you want to copy everything over and make the new drive the boot drive is mysteriously gone. So I manually use the utility that copies a hard drive partition to move the old drive to the new. Only the new drive won't boot. Apparently when you format it, the program sticks some files on the drive depending on what OS you intend to install later. Maybe this is the cause of the problem now - I don't know for sure. I give up. I try one more time with the Windows version, but this time I went into the startup section of msconfig to disable every single Norton product and then manually stopped another 4 or 5 Symantec processes in the task manager. Surely it would work this time. Nope. Identical problem - no antivirus installed and every attempt to uninstall or reinstall fails miserably. Is there a nice simple DOS program that I can run that will format the new drive, copy the old to the new, and make the new drive bootable? Thanks in advance for any help. |
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Is there a nice simple DOS program that I can run that will format the new drive, copy the old to the new, and make the new drive bootable? Yes! And it's free for 30 days. It's called Casper XP. www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp. I've used half a dozen other cloning utilities, and for cloning (as opposed to image files and incrmental backups) it's the best and the easiest to use. It will copy the MBR to the new drive, it will mark the new paritition "active" (if only one partition is being cloned), and the new partition will be as bootable as the one cloned. Casper can be made to clone in either of 2 modes - the entirety of one HD can be cloned to the entirety of another HD, or just one partition can be cloned to another HD which may or may not already have other partitions on it. (True Image cannot do the latter.) As with all cloning, disconnect the old drive before starting up the clone OS for the first time. The clone may be *seen* by the old OS before the clone is first started up, but the clone must not see the old OS until after it has undergone its first startup. Thereafter, at subsequent startups, the clone may see its "parent" OS without problems. *TimDaniels* |
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"Timothy Daniels" replied:
asked: Is there a nice simple DOS program that I can run that will format the new drive, copy the old to the new, and make the new drive bootable? Yes! And it's free for 30 days. It's called Casper XP. www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp. Sorry, Casper XP does not run under DOS, but that matters not a whit - it will copy everything while running under WinXP, including the wretched Symantec anti-virus software with all its settings and its subscription life span. Just disconnect the PC from the internet and disable the AV off before cloning to be sure. *TimDaniels* |
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"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message . .. asled: Is there a nice simple DOS program that I can run that will format the new drive, copy the old to the new, and make the new drive bootable? Yes! And it's free for 30 days. It's called Casper XP. www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp. I've used half a dozen other cloning utilities, and for cloning (as opposed to image files and incrmental backups) it's the best and the easiest to use. It will copy the MBR to the new drive, it will mark the new paritition "active" (if only one partition is being cloned), and the new partition will be as bootable as the one cloned. Casper can be made to clone in either of 2 modes - the entirety of one HD can be cloned to the entirety of another HD, or just one partition can be cloned to another HD which may or may not already have other partitions on it. (True Image cannot do the latter.) As with all cloning, disconnect the old drive before starting up the clone OS for the first time. The clone may be *seen* by the old OS before the clone is first started up, but the clone must not see the old OS until after it has undergone its first startup. Thereafter, at subsequent startups, the clone may see its "parent" OS without problems. *TimDaniels* Tim later adds... Sorry, Casper XP does not run under DOS, but that matters not a whit - it will copy everything while running under WinXP, including the wretched Symantec anti-virus software with all its settings and its subscription life span. Just disconnect the PC from the internet and disable the AV off before cloning to be sure. *TimDaniels* wrote in message oups.com... Thanks for the reply. I'm trying True Image right now, but don't know how to make a bootable CD with the utilites in linux. I saw a part of the program for making bootable recovery cd/dvd's but I'm sure that's different. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks again. Steve: We're talking *direct* disk-to-disk cloning here, right? In addition to Tim's recommendation re the Casper XP program, let me offer the following... If you're primarily interested in using a disk cloning program with either a bootable floppy disk or bootable CD as the media to carry out the cloning operation, you may be interested in Symantec's Norton Ghost 2003 program. Its simplicity of use in performing direct disk-to-disk cloning operations, together with its portability aspects make it a very appealing program for many of us. While that program has been presumably superseded by the Ghost 9 & 10 versions, we find the 2003 version easier to use than those later programs and just as effective in an XP environment. The 2003 version is still available from a number of online vendors for very reasonable cost (either as a CD or download). If you're interested I'll provide you with the URLs of a number of those vendors. Also, I recently prepared step-by-step instructions for using the Ghost 2003 program (via the bootable floppy disk/CD) so if you, or others are interested in this I'll post them. As to the Acronis True Image program... It's also a nice program for *direct* disk-to-disk cloning operations. While you can't prepare a bootable floppy disk as you can with the Ghost 2003 program, you can easily create a bootable CD to carry out the cloning operation. You do this from within the program itself; you don't need any third-party program to do so. You also have the opportunity to create the bootable CD when you first install the program on your PC. I also prepared step-by-step instructions for using the ATI program (version 8) (using the bootable CD) so if you're interested I'll post them as well. Anna |
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Anna wrote
Timothy Daniels wrote asled Is there a nice simple DOS program that I can run that will format the new drive, copy the old to the new, and make the new drive bootable? Yes! And it's free for 30 days. It's called Casper XP. www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp. I've used half a dozen other cloning utilities, and for cloning (as opposed to image files and incrmental backups) it's the best and the easiest to use. It will copy the MBR to the new drive, it will mark the new paritition "active" (if only one partition is being cloned), and the new partition will be as bootable as the one cloned. Casper can be made to clone in either of 2 modes - the entirety of one HD can be cloned to the entirety of another HD, or just one partition can be cloned to another HD which may or may not already have other partitions on it. (True Image cannot do the latter.) As with all cloning, disconnect the old drive before starting up the clone OS for the first time. The clone may be *seen* by the old OS before the clone is first started up, but the clone must not see the old OS until after it has undergone its first startup. Thereafter, at subsequent startups, the clone may see its "parent" OS without problems. Sorry, Casper XP does not run under DOS, but that matters not a whit - it will copy everything while running under WinXP, including the wretched Symantec anti-virus software with all its settings and its subscription life span. Just disconnect the PC from the internet and disable the AV off before cloning to be sure. wrote Thanks for the reply. I'm trying True Image right now, but don't know how to make a bootable CD with the utilites in linux. I saw a part of the program for making bootable recovery cd/dvd's but I'm sure that's different. Can you point me in the right direction? Steve: We're talking *direct* disk-to-disk cloning here, right? In addition to Tim's recommendation re the Casper XP program, let me offer the following... If you're primarily interested in using a disk cloning program with either a bootable floppy disk or bootable CD as the media to carry out the cloning operation, you may be interested in Symantec's Norton Ghost 2003 program. True Image makes a lot more sense. Ghost 2003 is way past its useby date now. Its simplicity of use in performing direct disk-to-disk cloning operations, True Image is much simpler. together with its portability aspects True Image is just as portable. make it a very appealing program for many of us. True Image leaves it for dead and has lots of other extra capabilitys as well. While that program has been presumably superseded by the Ghost 9 & 10 versions, Not for cloning it hasnt, it cant clone when booted from the CD. we find the 2003 version easier to use than those later programs True Image is much easier to use for cloning. and just as effective in an XP environment. The 2003 version is still available from a number of online vendors for very reasonable cost (either as a CD or download). If you're interested I'll provide you with the URLs of a number of those vendors. Also, I recently prepared step-by-step instructions for using the Ghost 2003 program (via the bootable floppy disk/CD) so if you, or others are interested in this I'll post them. You dont need any with True Image, just use the clone icon on the screen you see when you boot the CD. As to the Acronis True Image program... It's also a nice program for *direct* disk-to-disk cloning operations. While you can't prepare a bootable floppy disk as you can with the Ghost 2003 program, Yes you can. Tho a bootable CD makes a lot more sense with both. you can easily create a bootable CD to carry out the cloning operation. You do this from within the program itself; you don't need any third-party program to do so. You also have the opportunity to create the bootable CD when you first install the program on your PC. I also prepared step-by-step instructions for using the ATI program (version 8) (using the bootable CD) so if you're interested I'll post them as well. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote:
True Image is much easier to use for cloning. True Image cannot do single partition cloning. It will only do entire-disk-to-entire-disk cloning. If you want to clone a single partion with True Image, you have to make an image file and then "restore" the image to where you want it - hassle. Ghost can do single partition cloning. Casper XP can do single partition cloning. Drive Image 7.0 can do single partition cloning. *TimDaniels* |
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Timothy Daniels wrote
Rod Speed wrote True Image is much easier to use for cloning. True Image cannot do single partition cloning. Wrong, it can do that via an image file. And hardly anyone wants to do single partition cloning anyway. It will only do entire-disk-to-entire-disk cloning. Wrong. If you want to clone a single partion with True Image, you have to make an image file and then "restore" the image to where you want it So it clearly can do single partition cloning. - hassle. Nope, no hassle at all. Ghost can do single partition cloning. Casper XP can do single partition cloning. Drive Image 7.0 can do single partition cloning. Hardly anyone is silly enough to do single partition cloning. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I'm beyond aggravated. I've upgraged dozens of hard drives in the past using the floppy to format the new drive and copy the original drive over to the new one. Apparently the days of simplicity are over. I tried using the Maxtor Maxblast software since the new drive is a Maxtor 80g ata133 7200rpm (the old is a 28g Western Digital.) Maxtor says to use the Windows based version of the program. In the oldern days there was no such thing, and for good reason - if any files are in use in your Windows session, how will you be able to copy them to the new drive sucessfully? This results in failed attempt number one, since when I reboot all the Norton software on the system is messed up. Systemworks 2006 needs to be reactivated. Antivirus 2006 shows that it's running in the system tray, but the system checker thing says that no antivirus software is present. Blah, blah, blah - bottom line - it didn't work. So I start over and use the DOS version of the software off of a bootable CD. I format the new drive, but the automatic process of asking if you want to copy everything over and make the new drive the boot drive is mysteriously gone. So I manually use the utility that copies a hard drive partition to move the old drive to the new. Only the new drive won't boot. Apparently when you format it, the program sticks some files on the drive depending on what OS you intend to install later. Maybe this is the cause of the problem now - I don't know for sure. I give up. I try one more time with the Windows version, but this time I went into the startup section of msconfig to disable every single Norton product and then manually stopped another 4 or 5 Symantec processes in the task manager. Surely it would work this time. Nope. Identical problem - no antivirus installed and every attempt to uninstall or reinstall fails miserably. Is there a nice simple DOS program that I can run that will format the new drive, copy the old to the new, and make the new drive bootable? Thanks in advance for any help. I've used cloning software over many years starting with the first version of Ghost and through to the latest versions of True Image. I now think the age of disk cloning has gone (IMHO - Flame suit ON). Reasons? 1. With people changing hardware so often, many problems occur when trying to clone a disk image onto new hardware. 2. How often do people really do a full clone? 3. Windows becomes full of useless, old, corrupt drivers, software. 4. Just look at the problems posted in this group? Personally I now copy/backup the Documents and setting folders; that way I just install my existing or new operating system on to my original or new hardware or new hard disk. Install all updates, patches, latest drivers and then copy what data I really need from my backups of Documents and setting. Clive |
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