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RAN 1.35v vs 1.5v
I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC
Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. That seems important, right? How can they be different for the same computer? (I'm not really concerned about price unless they could sell it cheaper by making it at the wrong, lower voltage. ) Do I need to look up what the computer puts out? Would one of these be overclocked if the computer puts out 1.5v and the other underclocked if the computer puts out 1.35? I already have 2 sticks, Do I want to get the same voltage that they use, whatever that is? ------ Other differences are Crucial says PC3-12800 but Kingston doesn't include that. Kingston says X8, 2R, 4Gbit but Crucial doesn't include any of that. Does any of that matter? ------ FTR, I only looked at Newegg because Crucial was out of stock. NewEgg says "Ships from China. Newegg Most customers receive within 10-32 days." Hmm. At https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-...82E16820156047 it says sold and shipped by Ram-Store and when you click on 12 New from $88.46 , it goes to the bottom of the page where they have 12 vendors selling the same thing. Just like Amazon does it. I only looked at the first 5 but one is in Hong Kong and "Most customers receive within 4-17 days.". One is in the US and "Most customers receive within 7-9 days", all except Hong Kong for the same price!! (For Hong Kong and the next 7 the price gets higher.) But this doesn't matter until I understand the voltage question. |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:56:05 -0500, micky wrote:
I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. According to HP, https://www.support.hp.com/us-en/doc...c03832938#AbT5 it should work with any ram that fits the description 1600-MHz DDR3 SDRAM; (4) DIMM slots enabling up to 32 GB, dual channel memory support https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...c03831415#AbT5 shows the following part numbers for ram ... Component Option Part Number HP 4GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) DIMM B4U36AA HP 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) DIMM BU37AA If you buy it from hp ... https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...sodimm/5392599 it's 1.35v. I'd stick with what hp is recommending. I haven't checked it's manuals, but with ram it usually requires two memory cards at a time. https://www.memory4less.com/hp-8gb-ddr3-pc12800-bu37aa shows it's available at $68.40 each. Regards, Dave Hodgins -- Change to for email replies. |
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In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:39:53 -0500, "David W.
Hodgins" wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:56:05 -0500, micky wrote: I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. According to HP, https://www.support.hp.com/us-en/doc...c03832938#AbT5 it should work with any ram that fits the description 1600-MHz DDR3 SDRAM; (4) DIMM slots enabling up to 32 GB, dual channel memory support https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...c03831415#AbT5 shows the following part numbers for ram ... Component Option Part Number HP 4GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) DIMM B4U36AA HP 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) DIMM BU37AA Thanks Samsung didn't have any 8gig dimms listed where I looked, and didn't have the 4 gig either, but I used the 8g part number above to find the remaining specs of the Samsung dimms I already have in it, and they match. If you buy it from hp ... https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...sodimm/5392599 it's 1.35v. This is a SODIMM. They make the EliteDesk800 in 4 configurations. The 2 bigger ones use DIMMs and the 2 smaller ones use SODIMMs. I'm a little suprised they went to so much trouble to use the same name for both. I'd stick with what hp is recommending. I haven't checked it's manuals, but with ram it usually requires two memory cards at a time. Right. https://www.memory4less.com/hp-8gb-ddr3-pc12800-bu37aa shows it's available at $68.40 each. This is it, but it's not exactly the same as the Samsung that's in there now. Which is more important? :-( The computer is probably older than I thought but the Samsung RAM was made this past September! Regards, Dave Hodgins |
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:34:59 -0500, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:39:53 -0500, "David W. Hodgins" wrote: https://www.memory4less.com/hp-8gb-ddr3-pc12800-bu37aa shows it's available at $68.40 each. This is it, but it's not exactly the same as the Samsung that's in there now. Which is more important? :-( Well, you know that what's in there works. The above should work based on the specs, and I'd be surprised if it didn't. Your choice though. :-) Regards, Dave Hodgins -- Change to for email replies. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Jan 2021 22:01:38 -0500, "David W.
Hodgins" wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:34:59 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:39:53 -0500, "David W. Hodgins" wrote: https://www.memory4less.com/hp-8gb-ddr3-pc12800-bu37aa shows it's available at $68.40 each. This is it, but it's not exactly the same as the Samsung that's in there now. Which is more important? :-( Well, you know that what's in there works. The above should work based on the specs, and I'd be surprised if it didn't. Your choice though. :-) My choice? I don't know. I left it up to you guys, pretty much, and your answer is pretty convincing. LOL, yes it's my choice and I'm happy with your answer, and the others. Thanks. I ordered the matching dimms. Regards, Dave Hodgins |
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On 1/26/21 1:56 PM, micky wrote:
I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. That seems important, right? How can they be different for the same computer? (I'm not really concerned about price unless they could sell it cheaper by making it at the wrong, lower voltage. ) Do I need to look up what the computer puts out? Would one of these be overclocked if the computer puts out 1.5v and the other underclocked if the computer puts out 1.35? I already have 2 sticks, Do I want to get the same voltage that they use, whatever that is? ------ Other differences are Crucial says PC3-12800 but Kingston doesn't include that. Kingston says X8, 2R, 4Gbit but Crucial doesn't include any of that. Does any of that matter? ------ FTR, I only looked at Newegg because Crucial was out of stock. NewEgg says "Ships from China. Newegg Most customers receive within 10-32 days." Hmm. At https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-...82E16820156047 it says sold and shipped by Ram-Store and when you click on 12 New from $88.46 , it goes to the bottom of the page where they have 12 vendors selling the same thing. Just like Amazon does it. I only looked at the first 5 but one is in Hong Kong and "Most customers receive within 4-17 days.". One is in the US and "Most customers receive within 7-9 days", all except Hong Kong for the same price!! (For Hong Kong and the next 7 the price gets higher.) But this doesn't matter until I understand the voltage question. Hi Micky, Call Kingston tech support and describe the issue to them: 877-546-4786 714-435-2600 Kingston's customer service is something to behold. Because of it. I only sell their memory, unless they don't carry what I need. They really, really back their stuff up. -T |
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In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:03:52 -0800, T
wrote: On 1/26/21 1:56 PM, micky wrote: I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. That seems important, right? How can they be different for the same computer? (I'm not really concerned about price unless they could sell it cheaper by making it at the wrong, lower voltage. ) Do I need to look up what the computer puts out? Would one of these be overclocked if the computer puts out 1.5v and the other underclocked if the computer puts out 1.35? I already have 2 sticks, Do I want to get the same voltage that they use, whatever that is? ------ Other differences are Crucial says PC3-12800 but Kingston doesn't include that. Kingston says X8, 2R, 4Gbit but Crucial doesn't include any of that. Does any of that matter? ------ FTR, I only looked at Newegg because Crucial was out of stock. NewEgg says "Ships from China. Newegg Most customers receive within 10-32 days." Hmm. At https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-...82E16820156047 it says sold and shipped by Ram-Store and when you click on 12 New from $88.46 , it goes to the bottom of the page where they have 12 vendors selling the same thing. Just like Amazon does it. I only looked at the first 5 but one is in Hong Kong and "Most customers receive within 4-17 days.". One is in the US and "Most customers receive within 7-9 days", all except Hong Kong for the same price!! (For Hong Kong and the next 7 the price gets higher.) But this doesn't matter until I understand the voltage question. Hi Micky, Call Kingston tech support and describe the issue to them: 877-546-4786 714-435-2600 Kingston's customer service is something to behold. Because of it. I only sell their memory, unless they don't carry what I need. They really, really back their stuff up. -T Thanks. I almost did this but then saw that I had Samsung in there now. So unless someone tells me I shouldn't, matching the dimms that are there now is the right thing to do? SAMSUNG M378B1G73DB0-CK0 |
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On 1/27/21 4:06 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:03:52 -0800, T wrote: On 1/26/21 1:56 PM, micky wrote: I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. That seems important, right? How can they be different for the same computer? (I'm not really concerned about price unless they could sell it cheaper by making it at the wrong, lower voltage. ) Do I need to look up what the computer puts out? Would one of these be overclocked if the computer puts out 1.5v and the other underclocked if the computer puts out 1.35? I already have 2 sticks, Do I want to get the same voltage that they use, whatever that is? ------ Other differences are Crucial says PC3-12800 but Kingston doesn't include that. Kingston says X8, 2R, 4Gbit but Crucial doesn't include any of that. Does any of that matter? ------ FTR, I only looked at Newegg because Crucial was out of stock. NewEgg says "Ships from China. Newegg Most customers receive within 10-32 days." Hmm. At https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-...82E16820156047 it says sold and shipped by Ram-Store and when you click on 12 New from $88.46 , it goes to the bottom of the page where they have 12 vendors selling the same thing. Just like Amazon does it. I only looked at the first 5 but one is in Hong Kong and "Most customers receive within 4-17 days.". One is in the US and "Most customers receive within 7-9 days", all except Hong Kong for the same price!! (For Hong Kong and the next 7 the price gets higher.) But this doesn't matter until I understand the voltage question. Hi Micky, Call Kingston tech support and describe the issue to them: 877-546-4786 714-435-2600 Kingston's customer service is something to behold. Because of it. I only sell their memory, unless they don't carry what I need. They really, really back their stuff up. -T Thanks. I almost did this but then saw that I had Samsung in there now. So unless someone tells me I shouldn't, matching the dimms that are there now is the right thing to do? SAMSUNG M378B1G73DB0-CK0 My experience is that you should match them |
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T wrote:
On 1/27/21 4:06 PM, micky wrote: In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:03:52 -0800, T wrote: On 1/26/21 1:56 PM, micky wrote: I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. That seems important, right? How can they be different for the same computer? (I'm not really concerned about price unless they could sell it cheaper by making it at the wrong, lower voltage. ) Do I need to look up what the computer puts out? Would one of these be overclocked if the computer puts out 1.5v and the other underclocked if the computer puts out 1.35? I already have 2 sticks, Do I want to get the same voltage that they use, whatever that is? ------ Other differences are Crucial says PC3-12800 but Kingston doesn't include that. Kingston says X8, 2R, 4Gbit but Crucial doesn't include any of that. Does any of that matter? ------ FTR, I only looked at Newegg because Crucial was out of stock. NewEgg says "Ships from China. Newegg Most customers receive within 10-32 days." Hmm. At https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-...82E16820156047 it says sold and shipped by Ram-Store and when you click on 12 New from $88.46 , it goes to the bottom of the page where they have 12 vendors selling the same thing. Just like Amazon does it. I only looked at the first 5 but one is in Hong Kong and "Most customers receive within 4-17 days.". One is in the US and "Most customers receive within 7-9 days", all except Hong Kong for the same price!! (For Hong Kong and the next 7 the price gets higher.) But this doesn't matter until I understand the voltage question. Hi Micky, Call Kingston tech support and describe the issue to them: 877-546-4786 714-435-2600 Kingston's customer service is something to behold. Because of it. I only sell their memory, unless they don't carry what I need. They really, really back their stuff up. -T Thanks. I almost did this but then saw that I had Samsung in there now. So unless someone tells me I shouldn't, matching the dimms that are there now is the right thing to do? SAMSUNG M378B1G73DB0-CK0 My experience is that you should match them You know there are more nuances than that. If Dell sells a 6GB machine, you know right away it shipped with a 4GB and a 2GB module, and it left the factory in an unmatched state. The machines are obviously flexible to some degree, as these non-power-of-two machines are quite common at retail. I try not to send people on excessively constrained missions, if I can help it. FLEX memory capability has probably been around now for ten years, and lots of machines can accept, say, 512MB,1GB,2GB,4GB in the four slots and still work. Is it "optimal" ? Of course not. But for the average user seeking an easy upgrade with garbage in the desk drawer, it'll work. And the Intel caching structure makes any reduction in memory speed, almost invisible to these choices. (older AMD, less so) It's better for the user, if they have a "retail" motherboard in a home-built machine, as those have extensive controls (even if I don't know what to do with all the settings!). It's the Dell and HP machines, you have to use your intuition as to what aspects of memory choices will antagonize the BIOS, or not. "Strict matching" is a good rule for say, S939. Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 04:35:05 -0500, Paul
wrote: T wrote: On 1/27/21 4:06 PM, micky wrote: In alt.comp.hardware, on Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:03:52 -0800, T wrote: On 1/26/21 1:56 PM, micky wrote: I wanted to get more RAM for my newly-acquired PC Entering the make and model, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Small Form Factor Crucial suggests only CT2K102464BD160B DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64 • $76 even cheaper at NewEgg, Kingston suggests only KCP316ND8/8 Specs: DDR3, 1600MHz, Non-ECC, CL11, X8, 1.5V, Unbuffered, DIMM, 240-pin, 2R, 4Gbit $98 The items are in different order but the main difference seems to me to be 1.35v vs 1.5v. That seems important, right? How can they be different for the same computer? (I'm not really concerned about price unless they could sell it cheaper by making it at the wrong, lower voltage. ) Do I need to look up what the computer puts out? Would one of these be overclocked if the computer puts out 1.5v and the other underclocked if the computer puts out 1.35? I already have 2 sticks, Do I want to get the same voltage that they use, whatever that is? ------ Other differences are Crucial says PC3-12800 but Kingston doesn't include that. Kingston says X8, 2R, 4Gbit but Crucial doesn't include any of that. Does any of that matter? ------ FTR, I only looked at Newegg because Crucial was out of stock. NewEgg says "Ships from China. Newegg Most customers receive within 10-32 days." Hmm. At https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-...82E16820156047 it says sold and shipped by Ram-Store and when you click on 12 New from $88.46 , it goes to the bottom of the page where they have 12 vendors selling the same thing. Just like Amazon does it. I only looked at the first 5 but one is in Hong Kong and "Most customers receive within 4-17 days.". One is in the US and "Most customers receive within 7-9 days", all except Hong Kong for the same price!! (For Hong Kong and the next 7 the price gets higher.) But this doesn't matter until I understand the voltage question. Hi Micky, Call Kingston tech support and describe the issue to them: 877-546-4786 714-435-2600 Kingston's customer service is something to behold. Because of it. I only sell their memory, unless they don't carry what I need. They really, really back their stuff up. -T Thanks. I almost did this but then saw that I had Samsung in there now. So unless someone tells me I shouldn't, matching the dimms that are there now is the right thing to do? SAMSUNG M378B1G73DB0-CK0 My experience is that you should match them Good. That settles it. You know there are more nuances than that. Well, I thought it did. If Dell sells a 6GB machine, you know right away it shipped with a 4GB and a 2GB module, and it left the factory in an unmatched state. The machines are obviously flexible to some degree, as these non-power-of-two machines are quite common at retail. I try not to send people on excessively constrained missions, if I can help it. FLEX memory capability has probably been around now for ten years, and lots of machines can accept, say, 512MB,1GB,2GB,4GB in the four slots and still work. Is it "optimal" ? Of course not. But for the average user seeking an easy upgrade with garbage in the desk drawer, it'll work. And the Intel caching structure makes any reduction in memory speed, almost invisible to these choices. (older AMD, less so) It's better for the user, if they have a "retail" motherboard in a home-built machine, as those have extensive controls (even if I don't know what to do with all the settings!). It's the Dell and HP machines, you have to use your intuition as to what aspects of memory choices will antagonize the BIOS, or not. Nuances beyond my ken, but I can tell you didn't say no. "Strict matching" is a good rule for say, S939. Aha, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_939 Very interesting. Paul |
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