AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton) core temperatures.

Hi,

I built myself an XP 2500+ machine, and at no load it is showing a CPU
temperature of about 57C. I did not use any thermal grease like
Arctic Silver, used the stock fan supplied by AMD, and the ambient
temperature was about 30C. Am I running too hot?

Thanks,

PS: Am I asking this in the right newsgroup? If not, where should I
go?

"Shinu George" wrote in message
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Hi,

I built myself an XP 2500+ machine, and at no load it is showing a CPU
temperature of about 57C. I did not use any thermal grease like
Arctic Silver, used the stock fan supplied by AMD, and the ambient
temperature was about 30C. Am I running too hot?

Shouldn't be a problem.

Yousuf Khan

On 22 Aug 2003 17:18:09 -0700, (Shinu
George) wrote:
I built myself an XP 2500+ machine, and at no load it is showing a CPU
temperature of about 57C. I did not use any thermal grease like
Arctic Silver, used the stock fan supplied by AMD, and the ambient
temperature was about 30C. Am I running too hot?

The stock fan should have come with some sort of thermal pad if I
remember correctly, though I haven't purchased a boxed Athlon in quite
some time. Either way, 57C isn't all that hot, and even if it gets 10
or 15C hotter at load you are still well within the specified range of
the chip. The AthlonXP is rated for up to 90C or more.

PS: Am I asking this in the right newsgroup? If not, where should I
go?

This group is probably as good as any.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca

On 22 Aug 2003 17:18:09 -0700, (Shinu George)
wrote:

Hi,

I built myself an XP 2500+ machine, and at no load it is showing a CPU
temperature of about 57C. I did not use any thermal grease like
Arctic Silver, used the stock fan supplied by AMD, and the ambient
temperature was about 30C. Am I running too hot?

Thanks,

PS: Am I asking this in the right newsgroup? If not, where should I
go?

This one will do. The temp shown is almost meaningless but the mbrd brand
would have maybe helped pin that down. I have a couple of XP (2600+ and
2700+) systems on MSI K7N2 mbrds and the temp was showing as similar to
yours - in fact the 2700+ was idling at 59C with trips up to 63C on light
load. This is ridiculous considering the max alarm temp was 70C. Anyway
the next BIOS upgrade reduced the reported temps to ~36C which is equally
ridiculous. I've no idea if they changed the measurement from on-chip
diode to a mbrd probe or if they just changed the "calibration" but I've
given up trying to make sense of it.

I also, last week, built a XP 3000+/400 system, again on a MSI K7N2-Delta
mbrd, where the BIOS reports the CPU temp as lower than the system temp -
32C vs. 33C... which is even more stupid. My advice: if you're sure the
heatsink is properly mounted, it gets fairly hot to the touch and the
system works OK, make a note of the difference between the all three of
ambient, system and CPU temp and use that as a reference for any possible
future troubleshooting.

BTW you said you didn't use any thermal grease but the stock fan from AMD
comes with a phase change thermal interface material so you were correct
not to add to grease. Also, remember that the phase change material is a
one-shot use deal - IOW take the CPU off and you *must* replace the TIM.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

(George Macdonald) wrote in message ...
On 22 Aug 2003 17:18:09 -0700, (Shinu George)
wrote:

Hi,

I built myself an XP 2500+ machine, and at no load it is showing a CPU
temperature of about 57C. I did not use any thermal grease like
Arctic Silver, used the stock fan supplied by AMD, and the ambient
temperature was about 30C. Am I running too hot?

Thanks,

PS: Am I asking this in the right newsgroup? If not, where should I
go?

This one will do. The temp shown is almost meaningless but the mbrd brand
would have maybe helped pin that down. I have a couple of XP (2600+ and
2700+) systems on MSI K7N2 mbrds and the temp was showing as similar to
yours - in fact the 2700+ was idling at 59C with trips up to 63C on light
load. This is ridiculous considering the max alarm temp was 70C. Anyway
the next BIOS upgrade reduced the reported temps to ~36C which is equally
ridiculous. I've no idea if they changed the measurement from on-chip
diode to a mbrd probe or if they just changed the "calibration" but I've
given up trying to make sense of it.

I also, last week, built a XP 3000+/400 system, again on a MSI K7N2-Delta
mbrd, where the BIOS reports the CPU temp as lower than the system temp -
32C vs. 33C... which is even more stupid. My advice: if you're sure the
heatsink is properly mounted, it gets fairly hot to the touch and the
system works OK, make a note of the difference between the all three of
ambient, system and CPU temp and use that as a reference for any possible
future troubleshooting.

BTW you said you didn't use any thermal grease but the stock fan from AMD
comes with a phase change thermal interface material so you were correct
not to add to grease. Also, remember that the phase change material is a
one-shot use deal - IOW take the CPU off and you *must* replace the TIM.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

I also have this mobo (the ILSR version with all the bells and
whistles).
I have the cpu warning beep set at something like 60c max. The temp
shown in the bios and in full use during a benchmark has never seemed
to go above 48c.

I think I've made a very expensive mistake buying this board though,
for the following reasons:
1. It has no gameport.
2. It does not support the gameport of any soundcards I've tried.
3. Without this port I cannot use my analogue CH Pro flight yoke and
pedals
4. Without full soundcard support, I cannot use my Midi Keyboard.

So if you only want to use a simple USB j/stick, or do video stuff,
etc, then fine. Otherwise like me, you'll need a different mainboard.

The USB equivalent of my CH flight control stuff is horrendously
expensive - about the same price as this whole setup - and midi is not
USB!

On 27 Aug 2003 00:36:49 -0700, (Duffgear) wrote:

(George Macdonald) wrote in message ...
On 22 Aug 2003 17:18:09 -0700, (Shinu George)
wrote:

Hi,

I built myself an XP 2500+ machine, and at no load it is showing a CPU
temperature of about 57C. I did not use any thermal grease like
Arctic Silver, used the stock fan supplied by AMD, and the ambient
temperature was about 30C. Am I running too hot?

Thanks,

PS: Am I asking this in the right newsgroup? If not, where should I
go?

This one will do. The temp shown is almost meaningless but the mbrd brand
would have maybe helped pin that down. I have a couple of XP (2600+ and
2700+) systems on MSI K7N2 mbrds and the temp was showing as similar to
yours - in fact the 2700+ was idling at 59C with trips up to 63C on light
load. This is ridiculous considering the max alarm temp was 70C. Anyway
the next BIOS upgrade reduced the reported temps to ~36C which is equally
ridiculous. I've no idea if they changed the measurement from on-chip
diode to a mbrd probe or if they just changed the "calibration" but I've
given up trying to make sense of it.

I also, last week, built a XP 3000+/400 system, again on a MSI K7N2-Delta
mbrd, where the BIOS reports the CPU temp as lower than the system temp -
32C vs. 33C... which is even more stupid. My advice: if you're sure the
heatsink is properly mounted, it gets fairly hot to the touch and the
system works OK, make a note of the difference between the all three of
ambient, system and CPU temp and use that as a reference for any possible
future troubleshooting.

BTW you said you didn't use any thermal grease but the stock fan from AMD
comes with a phase change thermal interface material so you were correct
not to add to grease. Also, remember that the phase change material is a
one-shot use deal - IOW take the CPU off and you *must* replace the TIM.


I also have this mobo (the ILSR version with all the bells and
whistles).
I have the cpu warning beep set at something like 60c max. The temp
shown in the bios and in full use during a benchmark has never seemed
to go above 48c.

Yeah a different BIOS for that version. I'd like to know how they managed
to go from very high to very low, with the non-ILSR mbrds but not too
much.:-)

I think I've made a very expensive mistake buying this board though,
for the following reasons:
1. It has no gameport.
2. It does not support the gameport of any soundcards I've tried.
3. Without this port I cannot use my analogue CH Pro flight yoke and
pedals
4. Without full soundcard support, I cannot use my Midi Keyboard.

So if you only want to use a simple USB j/stick, or do video stuff,
etc, then fine. Otherwise like me, you'll need a different mainboard.

The USB equivalent of my CH flight control stuff is horrendously
expensive - about the same price as this whole setup - and midi is not
USB!

Yeah well legacy devices are up for elimination from the PC architecture -
they're really a PITA to keep supporting through what has become an
emulation of the ISA standard. I'd think there must be some way to get an
add-in sound card gameport to work. If the I/O port range is used by
something else you might have to reserve it in the BIOS Setup as for Legacy
use. While true that "midi is not USB", I'd think it would be possible to
make some kind of adapter which would allow USB to be used - no idea if
anybody does make them though.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

In article ,
(Duffgear) writes:
(George Macdonald) wrote in message ...

I think I've made a very expensive mistake buying this board though,
for the following reasons:
1. It has no gameport.
2. It does not support the gameport of any soundcards I've tried.
3. Without this port I cannot use my analogue CH Pro flight yoke and
pedals
4. Without full soundcard support, I cannot use my Midi Keyboard.

So if you only want to use a simple USB j/stick, or do video stuff,
etc, then fine. Otherwise like me, you'll need a different mainboard.

The USB equivalent of my CH flight control stuff is horrendously
expensive - about the same price as this whole setup - and midi is not
USB!

haven't I seen usb-sound-cards somewhere?
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Creative Labs Extigy. http://www.soundblaster.com/products/extigy/
Not worth the money if you ask me.

haven't I seen usb-sound-cards somewhere?